iPods Sold Out?

[beatle888]

Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
Who said that there wasn't a MUST HAVE gift this season?
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On average, two retail music CD's take up one-gig of hard drive space.

What is the thinking behind small gig iPods?

Is there a file compression utility that can decrease the file sizes so that you can stuff and play more music files into those limited gigs?

I really don't know. I simply use iTunes and acres of hard drive space.

Thank you for your enlightenment.
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HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!
JJ

your funny, right?

🙂 happy holidays

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by beatle888
your funny, right?

🙂 happy holidays

I'm serious.
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JJ

 

[rtype]

Originally posted by revenuee
Apple selling point for it's Computers

"You like the iPod?, like how it looks?, like how easy it is to use?, well our computers are iPod; BIGGER"

LOL

meh, needs work

EDIT; how about

"Apple Desktops and Notebooks, think iPod: BIGGER"

"The new Powerbook: it's the iPod of laptops."

 

[revenuee]

Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
I'm serious.
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JJ

No really... your kidding right?


When i say "Mp3"

nothing sparks in your mind?

 

[beatle888]

Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
I'm serious.
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JJ

well, ok then, i'll enlighten you. the mp3 format is a unique compression algorithm that scans every note of the song and puts them into a "pile". so lets say one song has 100 C Major notes, the "C Major pile" will contain 100 items in that pile. unless of course song two has 50 C Major notes, then as you can probably guess, the C Major pile would contain 150 items. this happens to the sound frequency as well...thats how the ipod reproduces the sound of the instrument. now the lyrics are a different story...think of the ipod as a huge dictionary...it really has every word used by most rock, rap and country artist...this isnt really that extensive but still impressive. so lets say a song has the word "shotgun" in it, well the ipod will search its "common" dictionary (since this word is use in most genres) and applies the correct frequency to the lyric...then it searches its vocal database made up of ten vocalists...(come to find out that in the popular music industry theres only ten distinct voices...five of which weird al recorded for apple)....and presto, you have your song.

now since all this info is stacked in "piles", all the mp3 format has to do is record how many times a certain number of notes, or what vocal sound to use at a specified frequency....this makes the file size much smaller and you can fit more songs onto a hard drive.

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by revenuee
No really... your kidding right?


When i say "Mp3"

nothing sparks in your mind?

Seriously. I simply use iTunes to download from the retail CD onto the 120 gig hard drive in my QuickSilver G4-733 Panther latest version.

My iTunes Music folder shows everything as MP3. For instance: Metallica (Black) track 04 The Unforgiven.mp3 is 14.7 MB.

I'm a text and graphics person. Not a DJ. I was happy that iTunes can play my CD's without a lot of fussing with conversions.

I am not happy that the defaults use acreage of hard drive space.

Can you suggest a quick "How-To" get more tunes into smaller space?
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Thanks in advance.
JJ

 

[revenuee]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by beatle888
well, ok then, i'll enlighten you. the mp3 format is a unique compression algorithm that scans every note of the song and puts them into a "pile". so lets say one song has 100 C Major notes, the "C Major pile" will contain 100 items in that pile. unless of course song two has 50 C Major notes, then as you can probably guess, the C Major pile would contain 150 items. this happens to the sound frequency as well...thats how the ipod reproduces the sound of the instrument. now the lyrics are a different story...think of the ipod as a huge dictionary...it really has every word used by most rock, rap and country artist...this isnt really that extensive but still impressive. so lets say a song has the word "shotgun" in it, well the ipod will search its "common" dictionary (since this word is use in most genres) and applies the correct frequency to the lyric...then it searches its vocal database made up of ten vocalists...(come to find out that in the popular music industry theres only ten distinct voices...five of which weird al recorded for apple)....and presto, you have your song.

now since all this info is stacked in "piles", all the mp3 format has to do is record how many times a certain number of notes, or what vocal sound to use at a specified frequency....this makes the file size much smaller and you can fit more songs onto a hard drive.

Really? i didn't know that

 

[beatle888]

it's true. it even works this way in the alternate universes x, y and z that SiliconAddict pointed out.

 

[revenuee]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
Seriously. I simply use iTunes to download from the retail CD onto the 120 gig hard drive in my QuickSilver G4-733 Panther latest version.

My iTunes Music folder shows everything as MP3. For instance: Metallica (Black) track 04 The Unforgiven.mp3 is 14.7 MB.

I'm a text and graphics person. Not a DJ. I was happy that iTunes can play my CD's without a lot of fussing with conversions.

I am not happy that the defaults use acreage of hard drive space.

Can you suggest a quick "How-To" get more tunes into smaller space?
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Thanks in advance.
JJ

I apologize for seeming snooty with my remarks it just caught me off guard

Yes you can fit about 150 songs in mp3 format into a CD that normally holds 20 songs.

A quick how to

Your best bet is to use the easy to follow instructions in the iTunes help ... Apple content writers do a great job explaining it better then i could ever hope to

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by revenuee
I apologize for seeming snooty with my remarks it just caught me off guard

Yes you can fit about 150 songs in mp3 format into a CD that normally holds 20 songs.

A quick how to

Your best bet is to use the easy to follow instructions in the iTunes help ... Apple content writers do a great job explaining it better then i could ever hope to

Good advice, here's what I found:
iTunes and Music Store Help

Saving a copy of a song in a new file format

You can convert a song to a different file format while keeping a copy of the original. For example, you can save a copy of a compressed song file such as MP3 or AAC in an uncompressed song format (AIFF or WAV).

When converting from a compressed to uncompressed file format (for example, from MP3 to AIFF) you shouldn't notice any reduction in sound quality. However, when converting between compressed formats (for example, MP3 and AAC), you may notice a reduction in the sound quality. For the best results, if you want your music encoded in a different file format, you should import the music again from the original source using the new encoding format.


To convert a song's file format:

1 Choose iTunes > Preferences, then click the Importing button at the top of the window.

2 From the Import Using pop-up menu, choose the encoding format that you want to convert the song to, then click OK to save the settings.

3 Select one or more songs in your library, then choose Advanced > Convert Selection to MP3, Convert Selection to AAC, Convert Selection to AIFF, or Convert Selection to WAV. (The menu item changes to show what's selected in your Importing preferences.)

To convert all the songs in a folder or on a disk, hold down the Option key and choose Advanced > "Convert Selection to," then choose the folder or disk containing the songs you want to convert. All the songs in the folder or on the disk will be converted except songs you purchased from the Music Store. (Purchased songs are encoded using a protected AAC format that prevents them from being converted.)

The song in its original format and the newly converted song appear in your library.
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So when I download from CD in the future, I should use AAC?
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JJ

 

[beatle888]

different users will have different preferences. i myself use mp3 and select the highest quality option.

sorry, i thought you were just kidding earlier.

 

[revenuee]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
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So when I download from CD in the future, I should use AAC?
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JJ

Apple and those who use it claim that it is better quality ... so yes, i think it is your best option ... and remember to delete the original files off of your computer

you'll save tons of disk space

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by revenuee
Apple and those who use it claim that it is better quality ... so yes, i think it is your best option ... and remember to delete the original files off of your computer

you'll save tons of disk space

... ummm, convert from MP3 to ACC (.m4a) the 15,488,622 byte file became 15,560,507 bytes. Slightly larger. 0.1 meg. About the same quality, slightly less.

I will try again with a direct from CD download into iTunes. Stand by...
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JJ

 

[MacFan25]

I'm glad to hear that the iPods are selling so well. A couple days ago, on NBC's Today Show, they had a report on the hot gifts this holiday season, and sure enough, the iPod was one of them. 🙂

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
... ummm, convert from MP3 to ACC (.m4a) the 15,488,622 byte file became 15,560,507 bytes. Slightly larger. 0.1 meg. About the same quality, slightly less.

I will try again with a direct from CD download into iTunes. Stand by...
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JJ

Fascinating results: the same file as a downloaded from CD as an AAC (my bad earlier) .m4a is now 15,557,705, still slightly larger than an MP3.

However: the whole album folder size is smaller: Original folder as MP3: 158.1 MB, redownload as AAC: 144 MB.

As a CD: Metallica (Black) is 632.1 MB

... the fresh downloaded as AAC: slightly better sound quality than MP3.
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Please accept my thanks for the help and training.

The best holiday gift is Help.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!
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JJ

 

[paulypants]

Apple Online Store

I bought a 10GB and a 20 GB iPod both
personalized from the Online Store on Friday December 13th. To my surprise the 20GB showed up on the 15th, the 10GB came on the 17th. Thanks Apple! 🙂

 

[Santaduck]

Apple QT download overload-- new wintel ipod owners?

Although a longtime apple user since the early 80's, I recently got an adjunct wintel machine, and was updating it for use with my iPod, since iTunes (4.1.1 in Win XP) was acting funny, so I assumed it was using Quicktime, so I went to QT panel and chose to update it)...

(Apple Server Overload?)
and either it's holiday net congestion, or the apple QT update servers are overloaded-- probably due to the huge sales of iPods to windows users, who are updating iTunes & QT. Is there any way to check such traffic?

Almost every one of my QT components come back with a 'possibly overloaded server' message... i keep clicking "try again" and eventually I can download the QT component, then it goes to the next one. Wow. Lotta new ipods out there...


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Also note that iTunes 4.2 for Windows is listed at the apple discussion area http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?13@40.4RTUapEMsvj.0@.599abd46
although 'check for update' claims 4.1.1 is the latest version for windows...

 

[corey]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
For instance: Metallica (Black) track 04 The Unforgiven.mp3 is 14.7 MB

if one song is taking up 14.7 megs on your hard drive, how are two cds taking 1 gig? my quick math says your cds have about 32 songs each!?!?!

 

[dynamicd]

Why would anyone mark this as a negative thing on the main page??? Selling out of ipods is clearly a good thing for Apple.

 

[JJTiger1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by corey
if one song is taking up 14.7 megs on your hard drive, how are two cds taking 1 gig? my quick math says your cds have about 32 songs each!?!?!

I started using iTunes when it was first released. The files were imported as AIFF or WAV, so I got a copy of what is on the CD. Really large filesizes.

Somewhere over the years, all of those files on my computer were converted to MP3. Probably during an update of iTunes.

But I was not aware of the change.

Until today, I was still under the impression that those files were still as large as I imported them. (not "downloaded" per se, another my bad).

I had not checked to see the current filesizes, until today. D'oh!!

I'm using iTunes 4.2 (72) so I think that I'm up to date.
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So, now we all know that we should import as AAC so as to maximize the sound quality, and utilization of hard drive space.
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JJ

 

[shen]

Originally posted by dynamicd
Why would anyone mark this as a negative thing on the main page??? Selling out of ipods is clearly a good thing for Apple.

but if your trying to buy, it is bad for you.....

 

[frankly]

The funniest part of this whole phenomenon is that I can remember when Apple introduced the iPod. They said they were going to announce a ground breaking new device and when they showed it there were soooooooo many naysayers with comments like:

"groundbreaking, it is just an MP3 player!"

"it is waaaay too expensive"

etc.

I'm glad that they are all having to eat crow now 🙂

Later, Frank

 

[OutThere]

I'd think that this will give apple fair warning for next Christmas to get their iPod production/stores way up.

 

[eazyway]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tickle Me Elmo

Originally posted by JJTiger1
I started using iTunes when it was first released. The files were imported as AIFF or WAV, so I got a copy of what is on the CD. Really large filesizes.

Somewhere over the years, all of those files on my computer were converted to MP3. Probably during an update of iTunes.

But I was not aware of the change.

Until today, I was still under the impression that those files were still as large as I imported them. (not "downloaded" per se, another my bad).

I had not checked to see the current filesizes, until today. D'oh!!

I'm using iTunes 4.2 (72) so I think that I'm up to date.
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So, now we all know that we should import as AAC so as to maximize the sound quality, and utilization of hard drive space.
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JJ

You did not import the files asa AAC or MP3 . If you open your iTunes preferences you can tell it how to import the files from a CD. Select AAC for better quality. An AAC file or MP3 files for a normal song is around 4 MB. That means youcan get abour 250 files per GB.


BTW THE IMPORT IS ONE STEP . AIFF files on your haed drive may have the MP3 tags but thet are not AAC or MP3 files yet.

 

[rdowns]

Originally posted by zac4mac
Good post, JayBee -

I got a 5GB when they were announced, daily use for 3 years and still going strong. 15GB this spring when the 3G's came out.

Until three weeks ago, there were 3 iPods at my work(~1000 people). Since then, I've seen several new additions. Even my dept's(R&D) VP. I loaned him my iTrip, 'cause he was complaing about his Belkin, and he got all excited about how well it worked. Always good to score points.

Major home run, Apple.

Z

165 people in my company, I was the only iPod owner. Colleague bought a Zen piece of crap and came to check out my iPod. Returned the Zen and showed up the next day with a 10GB.

The next week, 2 others bought one and my assistant plans on buying one in January. A few others want one if a ower priced model comes out.

2 people have been questioning me about Macs. Sadly, my advice is to wait until the iMac has some ba**s. Technology in it is too old.