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Is a refurbished MBP 17" good or bad idea?
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lol!!!
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How come? Actually been reading about the issues again, and it seems to me that it's a combination of hardware and software limitations..
All things considered, I'd go Late 2011 only, as it will last you the longest time.
Here you go brother http://support.apple.com/kb/sp646
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.4-17-late-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html
Boost started even before Sandy Bridge afaik.
Cheers,
Greg
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Yes.
See also:
http://ark.intel.com/products/53474/
(2.4 GHz, Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.5 GHz)
and
http://ark.intel.com/products/53476/
(2.5 GHz, Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.6 GHz)
They support Turbo Boost 2.0, which means that the processor can increase the frequency for more than one core, if the processor has sufficient cooling. Turbo Boost 1.0 supports only one core.
Turbo Boost 2.0 (in this case 4 Ivy Bridge cores) real world examples:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17239601#post17239601
and
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17243603#post17243603
I personally would feel very limited by the rMBP. The amount of adapters I would have to buy would make me feel like I'm running a MacBook Air, not a pro $2K laptop. Not to mention this would raise the overall price of already ridiculously expensive computer(Not saying the rMBP isn't worth it, but some people on this forum seem to act like everyone on here has $2K lying around)
I've contemplated the rMBP several times, but just can't see myself with it right now. Of the people I know that do have rMBPs, they all complained of screen issues.
I would totally choose the 17in over the rMBP. Nowadays, the biggest bottleneck of modern computers is the HDD. CPUs have evolved minimally at best. Plop an Ssd in the 17in and you wouldn't notice the difference. Looking strictly at MBPs, it's only the previous gen.
There's also a difference between usable space vs resolution space. My ipad theoretcally has more screen real estate(higher resolution in the ipad) than my MBP or even a 27in iMac, but I have far more usable space on the Macs. Same thing on the rMBP, it may have 2880x1800, but its unusable at that resolution and 1920x1200 is barely on a 15in display. 1920x1200 on a 17in is amazing.
I've contemplated the rMBP several times, but just can't see myself with it right now. Of the people I know that do have rMBPs, they all complained of screen issues.
I would totally choose the 17in over the rMBP. Nowadays, the biggest bottleneck of modern computers is the HDD. CPUs have evolved minimally at best. Plop an Ssd in the 17in and you wouldn't notice the difference. Looking strictly at MBPs, it's only the previous gen.
There's also a difference between usable space vs resolution space. My ipad theoretcally has more screen real estate(higher resolution in the ipad) than my MBP or even a 27in iMac, but I have far more usable space on the Macs. Same thing on the rMBP, it may have 2880x1800, but its unusable at that resolution and 1920x1200 is barely on a 15in display. 1920x1200 on a 17in is amazing.
I am totally puzzled by this post. It simply does not make any sense. First of all, a refurb rMBP is SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER than an equivalent refurb 17" + DIY upgrades. Second, you need EXACTLY the same adapters for both, save for the ethernet one. The 17" does not have a card reader or USB3. Plus, the rMBP has a HDMI output, so it can be connected to many displays without any adapters at all.
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From my experience, most of the 'issues' are subjective. I never noticed any substantial lag (save for resize performance in some marginal apps) - all applications I use for my work perform flawlessly. So yeah, maybe you will find some issues, and maybe you won't.
I would be careful with that. Given that the cMBP will probably be discontinued within the next few years, it is entirely possible that it will go down in price rapidly... or it might actually get more expensive.
Yep, its a much better card. The 650m is still able to play games though. Note that rMBP is slightly better at gaming than the cMBP as its GPU is factory overclocked.
I never used USB2.0 that much to miss 3.0 even more... though I see your point here and the fact that there's no card reader is bizzare...
Are these issues occuring when using lower resolutions ? (which I didn't know you could run on rMBP) As people seem to be using the 1900x whatever.
Generally speaking I want to get back to imac at some point and perhaps get a refurb 13" or even 15" but not right now. So I don't think I'd keep my laptop before apple care runs out.
Except the 17" has 6770m which Im not sure how compares to 650m.
This choosing is driving me CRAZZZZEEEY....
Well, this one is easy. The 650m is at least 20% faster than the 6770m in benchmarks, and that's very conservatively speaking
The 17" carries a premium over the 15" - always has.
I, for one, happily pay that premium. Installed 16GB of DDR3-1600Mhz and a 250GB SSD, added a Thunderbolt external enclosure, and I'm *very* happy with the system.
I think that's why many don't understand the 17" - there is a level of work where the price is not the issue - the quality and capability is worth whatever price you pay. My BTO system was over $3k new - and worth every penny!
If you think that owning a bigger laptop increases your productivity - fair enough. I am still rather sceptical about it. Of course, it is a very subjective thing. Again, in my case, the 17" won't increase my productivity a bit, but it would clearly make my life more difficult due to its size/weight.
Absolutely! There are those that do not require the extra real estate - it's just those of us that DO need it are kind of up a creek.
Just a clarification: the rMBP offers the same real screen estate (actually more if your app is smart enough to take full advantage of the resolution). As in - you can fit the same amount of things with the same (or better) detail on the rMBP screen than on the 17" screen. What you are talking about is visibility/perceptibility (don't really know how to call this thing actually). At 1920x1200 resolution, the 12pt text looks like typographic 9-10pt. Is it to small? I don't know.
Got the 17" for just around 1700$ with 16gb 1600 memory and speck case plus the card reader that goes into the xpress slot. So I guess not to bad deal afer all. Given that next year me and wife are going to US to visit friends.
I have warranty till the end of October but now I'm after applecare plan - anyone knows of some good deals on that - can be from the US shop.
And what SSD should I put in it ? 120 or 240 GB ?
Cheerio.
I have warranty till the end of October but now I'm after applecare plan - anyone knows of some good deals on that - can be from the US shop.
And what SSD should I put in it ? 120 or 240 GB ?
Cheerio.
Absolutely!
My experience:
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It is - for me. From the 2' or so I sit back from the MBP while working, it's too damn hard to see anything without that extra couple of inches of screen.
A 17" 1920x1200 will always be easier than a 15" 'effective' 1920x1200.