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Pixar was built off macs, you'll likely be fine with the rMBP for your needs.

That is completely false. They have always run predominantly on Linux, which is typical for an animation studio of that size.

Considering Apple hardware runs Windows just as well if not better than PC counterparts and the OP said they'd be using it about half the time I don't see why they wouldn't do the best of both worlds there....

That isn't true at all. Bootcamp drivers aren't always that great. The claims of this always use some bloatware comparison, which only works because you have to use a boxed copy of Windows to install bootcamp rather than whatever some oem provides.

Now, the support for that res is something related to windows itself or the softwares? Cause really, I'd be using Chrome + 3ds max + zbrush + photoshop.

Zbrush doesn't directly use any gpu frameworks. It's a very cpu heavy app. If you said mudbox that would be different. Photoshop isn't terribly reliant on the gpu. It's used for a number of things in ways that you probably won't really notice. It's nice, but I wouldn't worry about it when it comes to purchasing a machine. If a gpu is bug free in photoshop, that is much more important than its raw performance there. 3ds max has higher requirements. You want to make sure whatever you use doesn't have any glaring bugs with the nitrous viewport, as it's a significant step over the older drawing methods and features. I haven't used max in a very long time, but I read up on its development.

And I dont get it why the battery is bad with the mbp if other notebooks that dont have an integrated GPU can handle a discrete GPU nicely all the time.

It's an issue of drivers, battery capacity, and other things. Apple achieves longer battery life by using the integrated graphics whenever possible in OSX. Their drivers + lack of graphics switching in Windows make that impossible.


I am rather sure that you don't need a proper workstation to do even fairly serious modelling. Workstations are a necessity once you deal with really complex engineering or ultra-realistic models. I doubt that the OP will have any need for an actual workstation for anything they will have to do for their school.

Well if the OP animates them, that would be different. It's always a matter of what can be run in real time. People made some incredible stuff on far weaker hardware than what we have today, but they had to apply different workflows to achieve the desired framerates.

You're at Apple's mercy when it comes to Windows' drivers. They finally updated them for Windows 8 just a few weeks ago. It's not a priority for them.

And to those people here that say a MBP will run Windows better than a PC... LOL! :D

Same thing as I was saying. There are a lot of weird claims.

Guys nice inputs but let me clear this out first:

With a 15" mbp I would get at top 2 hours of full work in bootcamp, right?

do you think that a dell m4700 or a lenovo w530 would really give me, lets say, more that 3 hours?

You would need to ask someone who has tested battery life on that model. I used to use bootcamp frequently on an older model, but I kept it plugged in much of the time. Battery wasn't that great. I don't know about the rMBP, but the prior ones (especially sandy bridge with the onset of quad cores) had an underpowered charger. If both cpu and gpu were being stressed, it could drain the battery even while plugged in. If you were rendering something in 3ds max, it wouldn't really tax the gpu heavily. If it needed to render for hours, I would just dim the screen to 0 to conserve power. Even in OSX, if you're running a modeling app that uses the gpu, it will switch to discrete graphics. Why wouldn't you just plug your laptop into the wall? Are you thinking of modeling while on a flight?

The Lenovo has a bigger power brick to prevent this from happening. I hate Dell, so I would probably go with the w530, although I remember complaints on changes from the w520 to the 530. You should read their forums and ask around on here. I know a few people who frequent this forum have owned or used Lenovo Thinkpads.
 
I'd Just Like To Interject For A Moment™.

Just want to say that i've been working on the 3D world for about 5-6 years, now i'd like to share that i'm waiting for the Retina 2013 Macbook refresh.

What i understand here is that you are looking for actual hardware, and i've to tell you my friend that the Macbooks are the best i've used so far.

Before these machines, i used to buy Alienware, Dell, you name it. All notebooks with 3D purposes, in the end they all burned out. They weren't able to breath properly because of their design, 2-3 years max.

I was sceptical if OS X and the mac hardware were going to be able to endure all the heavy tasks i was going to put on them. But they did! Since 2010 i'm 100% OSX and MAC. There are several times i need to install Windows on bootcamp. I know the hassle of restarting and what not, but at the end of the day all the macbooks i've own have been perfectly fine in terms of temp management and hardware design.

So far it was.. 2010 Macbook Pro 13", 2011 Macbook Pro 17", now i'm using a 2012 Macbook Pro 15". They are all alive and running, from severals days of 3D modelling, animating, rendering, all the heavy tasks.

I haven't bought the rMBP because the 1st gen and the ghosting issues, planning to get a 2013 rMBP as soon as the ghosting fixes are confirmed.

I usually work in Maya, Zbrush, PS, and AE.

The only reason i've installed 3ds Max in windows bootcamp is because the client actually sent me the .max files and i can't export them quickly to Maya.

There's a lot more i could say, just remember again you are buying hardware and the hardware design of the MBP and the rMBP are really really worth it.
 
Guys nice inputs but let me clear this out first:

With a 15" mbp I would get at top 2 hours of full work in bootcamp, right?

do you think that a dell m4700 or a lenovo w530 would really give me, lets say, more that 3 hours?



I'd probably be using windows 50% of the time. Web browsing and regular multitasking is just SO much pleasing with the mac...trackpad and all the gestures is just awsome
the elitebook w8570w from hp is your best bet, they come with sheet batteries. They are thankfully the best workstation out there as well

Dont expect when you are doing intensive tasks more than 3 hours of any notebook that has a dgpu on it, aside that the battery cant provide enough power to the notebook when under 100% load

Do chose a amd gpu while you are at it. nvidia after kepler is a POS for GPGPU, any good pro that works with massive or other graphical program will tell you that, they also wouldnt choose the 15'' rather the 17
 
the elitebook w8570w from hp is your best bet, they come with sheet batteries. They are thankfully the best workstation out there as well

Dont expect when you are doing intensive tasks more than 3 hours of any notebook that has a dgpu on it, aside that the battery cant provide enough power to the notebook when under 100% load

Do chose a amd gpu while you are at it. nvidia after kepler is a POS for GPGPU, any good pro that works with massive or other graphical program will tell you that, they also wouldnt choose the 15'' rather the 17

We got some conflicting opinions here.

The other guy told me that I should for gods sake be looking for a nvidia board.
 
We got some conflicting opinions here.

The other guy told me that I should for gods sake be looking for a nvidia board.

Yeah didnt get that as well.

In GPGPU apps the GCN arch from AMD is miles and miles ahead of the kepler gpus from nvidia.

Im going to quote a graphics pro here, she has her own company of GC and other sutff related to movie editing

Im with Period3's posts. I do photo/video editing and a workstation even though heavier offers me a 75-900% speed increase over my r-MBP 15" in those applications.

not as light and pretty but 32GB or RAM, amazing upgrade options and if your applications support it Pro level GPU's that are similar to what is found in a good lab desktop workstation. two other 15" contenders are the m4700 and Elitebook 8570W and both are fully Linux friendly

power wise ... think Mac Pro not Macbook

video editing, audio processing, scientific software, many CAD/CAM apps and mathematical/ data analysis. basically if you have a pro app that supports FP64 or OpenCL, OpenGL, CUDA you can get a lot more juice out of a business workstation.

most people forget that the rMBP is a consumer laptop with an ill suited GPU for many medium to heavy GPGPU functions outside of gaming.

Know your software is pretty key for laptops not used for web, e-mail or basic gaming

but you can go and look at GPGPU performance for common consumer cards, GCN is the thing for pro graphics, kepler is good for games

CUDA support is also droppping, most software already support opencl and opengl, a lot more are dropping cuda entirely

Yes, CUDA only existes in CS6 in the Adobe Premier and will be negated in the 6.5/7 update this year as we are all finalizing testing. CUDA is a dead technology in almost all Pro design apps now
 
but you can go and look at GPGPU performance for common consumer cards, GCN is the thing for pro graphics, kepler is good for games

NVIDIA finally figured out that people could use their cheaper, consumer-grade GPUs for professional work through a combination of BIOS and driver mods. With Kepler, they put a stop to that. A Quadro-based system is the only way to go for rendering if you "nSist on NVIDIA."
 
NVIDIA finally figured out that people could use their cheaper, consumer-grade GPUs for professional work through a combination of BIOS and driver mods. With Kepler, they put a stop to that. A Quadro-based system is the only way to go for rendering if you "nSist on NVIDIA."

only titan and tesla are good options now actually
 
So that means I shouldnt get neither a macbook pro nor a dell/lenovo? Cause they dont really come with amd gpus.

Im not quite sure if I should be over-thinking about gpu that much.

I'll be doing a lot of modeling, texturing and digital painting but I believe that any of the GPU I might get for the price im paying will do the job wont they?

I will not render that much, but sometimes, not very often.
 
I have seen some mentions of driver problems here. I don't really understand that. The only important driver is the one for your graphics card and you can download it from the GPU vendor directly. Keyboard/trackpad drivers don't need to be updated often. And everything else is natively supported by Windows.
 
So that means I shouldnt get neither a macbook pro nor a dell/lenovo? Cause they dont really come with amd gpus.

Im not quite sure if I should be over-thinking about gpu that much.

I'll be doing a lot of modeling, texturing and digital painting but I believe that any of the GPU I might get for the price im paying will do the job wont they?

I will not render that much, but sometimes, not very often.

its simple, get a workstation.

which are the ones making a workstation?

dell, lenovo, hp

which use a amd gpu?

dell and hp

which one is the best in terms of fit and finish?

hp

how does the size influence in the power of the gpu in workstations?

a lot, 17'' are more powerful, way more powerful

the problem is that you dont narrow down
 
its simple, get a workstation.

which are the ones making a workstation?

dell, lenovo, hp

which use a amd gpu?

dell and hp

which one is the best in terms of fit and finish?

hp

how does the size influence in the power of the gpu in workstations?

a lot, 17'' are more powerful, way more powerful

the problem is that you dont narrow down

Actually Ive narrowed it down to the regular MBP 15", lenovo w530 and dell m4700.

Elitebook's 8 cell battery has only ~5000 mAH, way worse than the others (roughly 7500 mAH).
 
Hey guys I borrowed a mid 2010 mbp and I got roughly 2 hours of modeling in 3ds max with bootcamp. I think Id probably get a half hour more with the current generation. However Im not sure if that's a good achievement.

Ill have to find someone with the dell/lenovo that works with 3ds max so I can figure out how many hours they got.

Really, the only thing that I have left to solve is battery thing and the 3 button trackpad vs mbp 2 button.

With the mbp id have to bring a mouse with me all the time. Now if the 3 button ones are actually viable to work with it, it could be nice.
 
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