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The problem with android is you pay a premium for the top phones and yet do not get a premium experience.

things like all kinds of mods and skins, junk ware installed. Then at best 18 months of OS upgrades.

hardware tech not impressive etc..

Not exactly sure what a "premium" experience is. And hardware tech, especially stuff coming from Samsung, is quite impressive.
 
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I was using a cheap android all summer waiting on last night's keynote. And well it was underwhelming. 13 basically the 12, anything decent was on the pro which was never gonna be an option for me due to price. It just kinda feels like apple has lost its way. Same old same old with not much innovation. Was also ready to purchase a new watch but again basically 7=6. I'll hold out another few weeks to see what the pixel 6 has on offer. I'm not in the apple eco system as such anyway so it's no big loss for me.

Been slowly moving away for a while now. Phasing Apple out.
My OnePlus 9 Pro (mostly deGoogled) is a match for my 12 ProMax and more versatile.
My OnePlus Watch is about an 90% match to my Apple Watch and the battery lasts for two weeks.
I use my Thinkpad X280 for most pc stuff. My MacBook doesn't see a lot of use.
No replacement for my iPad Pro.

All this stuff is good and does what I need. Sad to say I have less issues with my Android stuff than I do with iOS.
My X280 is a hybrid and much more versatile than my MB.

So yes, I am phasing out most of Apple. Apple no longer "just works".
 
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Nope.
24" imac
M1 12.9" iPad pro
12 pro max
AW5
airpods
airpods max
new ATV
Xr iphone
M1 MacBook air
2015 13" MBPr
iPhone XR
iPhone mini
AW3
ATV 4K

It really does all "just work"
 
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Gotta be honest - we're hitting limits on mobile devices. There's not too many items out there now that are making huge, earth shattering changes, unless you find foldable phones a thing. I'd rather have a bunch of devices whose updates are "ho hum", and yet integrate so smoothly amongst it's mobile / tablet / desktop / notebook architecture, than to have a bunch of devices that are tricked out as ****, but if I want to transfer stuff over or do any cross communication, it becomes crap.
Have to agree the apple integration system is extremely user friendly. However disagree about the limits on mobile devices. Companies like Samsung have developed phones with foldable screens, eliminated the notch, have side read or under screen fingerprint readers, great battery life, all of which make Apple's latest offering seem less than impressive.
 
definitely, depending on what microsoft releases next week, i will make a decision and buy a tablet, then sell my m1

i want out of apple jail, sick and tired of switiching between my ipad and my macbook, i can‘t get rid of either one but with windows 11 i will be able to use a tablet and have an attachable keyboard when i need it

getting a full os on a tablet matters, the ipad is mostly a failure for doing any real work, the share menu makes little sense and apps are inferior to web sites in most cases and also ipad ios is still built for using apple aps which are just plain inferior to companies like google and apple which know software so much better

windows, despite its drawbacks gives you a lot more choice and i want choice, just tired of having apple give me only one way much of the time

the phone is another matter, i have hearing problems and apple has done really good work with disability’s so likely keeping the iphone (love to upgrade to the promax 12 or 13 but they are $1600 in my canada dollars, sheesh man) but selling the ipad and mac

also i really do like the apple watch which is an excellent product
 
Complete nonsense.
agree, what i see happening is fairly predictable, windows is releasing 11 which is more ”mac like” (and i am switching) and android is improving their ui and usability and especially security … not to mention price … not to mention we now know apple’s real position on privacy (takeaway: they are willing to pitch it overboard any time it suits them, not to mention their terms of service)

i am surprised at myself for saying this as i have avoided android and viewed it as inferior for a long time, but if you are watching you pennies, you can now get a great android phone, the pixel 5a, for example, for much less than iphone
 
definitely, depending on what microsoft releases next week, i will make a decision and buy a tablet, then sell my m1

i want out of apple jail, sick and tired of switiching between my ipad and my macbook, i can‘t get rid of either one but with windows 11 i will be able to use a tablet and have an attachable keyboard when i need it

getting a full os on a tablet matters, the ipad is mostly a failure for doing any real work, the share menu makes little sense and apps are inferior to web sites in most cases and also ipad ios is still built for using apple aps which are just plain inferior to companies like google and apple which know software so much better

windows, despite its drawbacks gives you a lot more choice and i want choice, just tired of having apple give me only one way much of the time

the phone is another matter, i have hearing problems and apple has done really good work with disability’s so likely keeping the iphone (love to upgrade to the promax 12 or 13 but they are $1600 in my canada dollars, sheesh man) but selling the ipad and mac

also i really do like the apple watch which is an excellent product

The Surface Pro is always an interesting device and a nice piece of engineering. But I always ending up going back to the iPad. It all depends on your needs though. iPads are a consumption device first, Surface Pros can run all the mainstream apps.
 
The Surface Pro is always an interesting device and a nice piece of engineering. But I always ending up going back to the iPad. It all depends on your needs though. iPads are a consumption device first, Surface Pros can run all the mainstream apps.
exactly right, ipad is fine for consumption but just not up to snuff on production, having all the apps available (and almost always more choice on windows) is great and being able to customize

i like using the pen and windows 11 is now the first os that should actually work well with a pen (even though it really is windows 10 with a new ui)

using windows 10 on a surface with a pen was not fun
 
(I'm assuming these are two different questions)

1. Office-like apps: I don't use Office much. LibreOffice seems to be the default here (came installed on Pop OS). I haven't had much experience besides LibreDraw I already mentioned. I still use Google Docs mostly for work, so that's all in browser. I believe there's paid options for Office as well in case LibreOffice doesn't have what you need.

2. Peripherals - overall seems pretty good. That said, the biggest limitation is hardware vendors. If they support open standards and publish specs, they will be supported on Linux.
Thank you. Yes, those were two questions and you answered both.
 
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No everything works too well and overall the new features are enough to make me happy enough. 120hz was a big need and with the camera looking like a great upgrade there’s not much it’s missing compared to the competition.
 
yes, been using android for years and no problem to switch.

i was using android, ios and windows at the same time and no problem to jsing them. Now im mostly using macos/ios but it is not a proble to start using win/android again.

Probably will never really leave iOS again I’ve spent damn near 1500 on accessories. I just require a smaller model to the pro and I’m fine. I’m old now and don’t need to tinker.

I do miss the clean home screen and not apples crap.

I even got a airtag wallet.

I get the tech urge but always ask myself if it’s gonna make me money money and if the answer is bo then it’s pretty pointless.
 
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No, but please feel free to take Epic games and all the “open the App Store” people with you on the way out.

I very much appreciate my “boring” Apple experience here in the walled garden. Those who don’t should absolutely move to more open devices and options.

For what it’s worth, this is coming from a pretty highly skilled IT professional. I have to fuss with crap all day long in my day job. I want my personal stuff, and my family’s stuff, to just work.

Not to be hostile or argumentative to the posters here, but I just get super frustrated with people who want iOS to be android. If you want android, get an android phone and be happy with it.
 
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I bought a Nexus 7 and it was good for two updates and the second killed it. We've had some other Android phones and the support was underwhelming. One phone didn't get any updates. I'm in the Apple Ecosystem and live off Notes, Reminders and Calendar. So I don't even think about Android when considering a phone. I expect to get 5-6 years out of a phone and my 7+ is five years old so it's time for an upgrade. The 7+ will be my backup phone (I have two phone numbers) and the 7+ is still supported. The 7+ will run iOS 15 and I expect at least one more update for iOS 16.
 
I think iPhone is pretty decent for the average Joe who wants a basic phone with a great camera but the days of them being the cutting edge tech giants is over.

iPhone 4 with its premium build and retina display was cutting edge
iPhone 5S with its 64 bit SoC and Touch ID was cutting edge

But those were IMO the last time Apple wasn't playing catch up

iPhone 6 plus did well because Samsung already started the big phone trend
iPhone X was great for Face ID and but edge to edge bezels were already on others and the cameras were TRASH for $1000

The Pixel forced Apple to improve the camera greatly and stop these minor camera updates

iPhone 11 Pro was a solid upgrade and the last value for money iPhone, the XR and 11 were garbage LCD fat bezel cop outs and iPhone SE is a SEVEN year old design that they keep churning out.

Anyone going from a 12 to a 13 is either crazy or they have deep OCD issues and need to have every single one.

I have tried many Androids and have always come back because something was missing (smartwatches, apps) or felt not enough but this year something feels very different, the Pixel 6 looks to be a great device at long last, Google tensor SoC sounds fantastic and if the camera is as good as rumoured, it will be top again and force everyone to catch up once again.

I also love Android 12 and its personal feel and I'm kind of over Tim Cook drip feeding me every year for tiny basic changes that Android has had for a decade or more.
 
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With iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV, Apple Watch, iPod pro, iPod pro max, iCloud inter item relationships and updates, there is no way I will give up the Apple infrastructure, connectivity, software update ease, and iMessage connectivity with rest of family. I keep it simple, get new iPhone each year, trade in old one. No issues, No hassles, new battery, latest features, and nice light trim wallet.
 
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