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try viewing an itunes tv show that I purchased on the Chromebook, Android? Other apps work okay, Slow but they work. That's one example.

I can't get my messages on the Android device? That's another quickie...

ehm… those are just user errors. Howabout trying to use apple watch with android?
 
Wish I could but realistically I love some of their offering. Apple Watch is still unmatched, have a few HomePods around, etc.

But definitely I get grossed out about some of the decisions, like how they are blatantly charging more, with no innovation and providing LESS value.
 
What experience, what garbage? that is just an excuse. You can use differend kind of launchers, make it looks as you want..

Android is always been above ios. I already used widgets decades ago, used zooper to make my own widgets i need to see on the screen once, i used Nova launcher to get the experience i wanted to have…

My phone a decade ago was note 10.1 (phone-tablet), i didnt have any other phone on that time. My android smartwatch (sony) was the middle link for the tablet which i carried on my bag. My smartwatch on that time was much capable to show real info on the screen than my cripled apple watch today (s4) because apple wants to restrict how you use your dumbwatch, err… smartwatch.. and you really cant use benefits widgets on the screen at once.

Nowadays i mainly use ios/macos (macbook (and blackmagic egpu), ipads (3), iphone, atv, aw, airpods), but if apple continues this **** of surveillance, i give it up.

What excuse? Are you saying how I’ve used android is wrong?! I used Android extensively from 2010-2012 and flashed CyanogenMod, LiquidRom and a few others plus flashing kernels so I’m no stranger to customizations and tinkering.

I just don’t really care about doing that much anymore. Your solution of using a launcher is the equivalent to putting makeup on a pig. Plus widgets on Android before iOS adopted them finally (I agree they took forever) were fugly af and there was no cohesion between the widgets at all. All y’all android fanboys answers are the same, well put a different launcher, turn off these 10 settings, install these four apps blah blah blah. I shouldn’t have to spend 2 hours changing launchers, installing apps to use features that should be part of the OS to begin with and waste time tweaking settings.

Also what do you mean “show real information” on your Sony smartwatch? I get everything I need on my  watch.

I was simply saying my time with Android was not a great experience and you call that excuse. Whatever.
 
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ehm… those are just user errors. Howabout trying to use apple watch with android?

try typing a long message on your Apple Watch, iPhone and iPad are a lot easier. Must be my "user" error. I'll stick with the Apple Ecosystem for my heavy lifting. I have fun with the Android & Chromebook tho, just am not gonna spend thousands on it.
 
Yes this is a huge advantage of choosing iPhone.

Most Android devices (including Pixels from Google) get three years of updates and/or security fixes from the day the device first went on sale. Those security fixes, with the exception of Pixels, are often many months behind schedule. Many of these Android devices cost more than popular iPhone models.
Pixel 6 is rumored to have 5 years of updates and security fixes.
 
I don’t expect to see major upgrades year by year. And most people don’t upgrade their devices yearly. For most people upgrading devices is probably at least 3-5 years and likely more. An iPhone 13 isn’t likely to be much different from a 12, but a 13 should be distinctly different from an 8 or X.

Maybe I’m cynical, but you would have to be a real power user to take full advantage of what these devices are capable of. For most people these things can do a million things you will never use, but as long as they do the half dozen things you need you’ll be happy.
 
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Same here. I want a "just works" computer. Linux is getting closer every day -- but it's not there yet. Maybe in 5 years.

But I'm not a mechanic. That's why I bought from System76. They are a Linux-focused computer maker with a great support team. It's not exactly "just works" yet but it's close.

If you can support Linux in some way in the meantime it will help. That's how I think of it at least, I donate money to Ubuntu and other open source creators.
Do you use pop_os on your System76 box? If yes, what’s your experience with that in your daily use?
 
I'd only do it if I cannot afford a computer that's more than $1000 or a smartphone more than $400.
 
Do you use pop_os on your System76 box? If yes, what’s your experience with that in your daily use?
Yes, that's what I use.

The daily use is terrific. I'm on a Lemur Pro, which is their 14" Macbook Air-ish computer.

Overall, I've been able to transition my work seamlessly to PopOS. I expected to transition over several months, but just two weeks in and my Mac is already gathering dust. The battery on my MBP ran out and I didn't even bother plugging it in.

My work setup is pretty simpl
Available on Linux:
  • Slack
  • Zoom
  • Brave
  • Signal
A few app changes:
  • Notes became Standard Notes (it's great)
  • Pixelmator became PhotoGimp. I anticipate a learning curve but haven't tried anything yet.
  • Preview for editing/annotating PDFs became Libre Office Draw.
    • I just realized I need a PDF editor this week.
    • It's overkill for what I need, but I may customize the menu to make it more like Preview
In the past I've done some video editing but I haven't needed to try that on Pop OS yet.

Overall, I don't expect Linux to be free. I prefer to support paid apps where possible as I want the Linux ecosystem to grow -- and my bar for quality is "just works" and I don't want to tinker.

Open to other questions!
 
Gotta be honest - we're hitting limits on mobile devices. There's not too many items out there now that are making huge, earth shattering changes, unless you find foldable phones a thing. I'd rather have a bunch of devices whose updates are "ho hum", and yet integrate so smoothly amongst it's mobile / tablet / desktop / notebook architecture, than to have a bunch of devices that are tricked out as ****, but if I want to transfer stuff over or do any cross communication, it becomes crap.
There's no way we're hitting limits. An incremental update when most folk are working from home is reasonable. Sure there's a lull in what everyone wants :apple: to be churning out, but that's to be expected. The best uses for future mobile devices are the ones you haven't thought of yet - eventually iPhone will probably morph into a supplemental device for the glasses, watch & vr for the heavy lifting & whatever else we haven't thought of, similar to how mac is with peripherals.
I was clearing out the other day & stumbled across my old T68i & 6310i, these were tiny compared to what we now have, there's loadsa life left in iPhone, it's successors & what it can do.
 
Every time I move to Android I remember why I'm on iPhone. Android phones sometimes have shiny features that are enticing, but the Android experience is as awful as it always has been. Now with the speed of smart phones, Android is a lightning fast awful experience.

As for the Apple Watch, it has zero competition at this point.
 
Every time I move to Android I remember why I'm on iPhone. Android phones sometimes have shiny features that are enticing, but the Android experience is as awful as it always has been. Now with the speed of smart phones, Android is a lightning fast awful experience.

As for the Apple Watch, it has zero competition at this point.
It depends on what kind of experience you're looking for.

Everytime I use my iPhone, I'm reminded on how I cannot have dual accounts for things like whatsapp etc (which is a standard feature on many Android phones for years). These are things that have become essential in my productivity. Also, iOS cannot have more than one iCloud accounts at the same time (eg to have access to different countries app store), while this is trivial on Android as I can have as many Google accounts as I want signed in on one device.
 
It depends on what kind of experience you're looking for.

Everytime I use my iPhone, I'm reminded on how I cannot have dual accounts for things like whatsapp etc (which is a standard feature on many Android phones for years). These are things that have become essential in my productivity. Also, iOS cannot have more than one iCloud accounts at the same time (eg to have access to different countries app store), while this is trivial on Android as I can have as many Google accounts as I want signed in on one device.
There are some apps that have more features on Android due to being less locked down, so there are pros for sure, but the whole Android experience just seems to drive me nuts these days. I guess I don't want to spend my time tweaking my phone anymore. It used to be really exciting for me to flash custom ROMs on my Android phones, but maybe I'm just boring now.
 
Yes, that's what I use.

The daily use is terrific. I'm on a Lemur Pro, which is their 14" Macbook Air-ish computer.

Overall, I've been able to transition my work seamlessly to PopOS. I expected to transition over several months, but just two weeks in and my Mac is already gathering dust. The battery on my MBP ran out and I didn't even bother plugging it in.

My work setup is pretty simpl
Available on Linux:
  • Slack
  • Zoom
  • Brave
  • Signal
A few app changes:
  • Notes became Standard Notes (it's great)
  • Pixelmator became PhotoGimp. I anticipate a learning curve but haven't tried anything yet.
  • Preview for editing/annotating PDFs became Libre Office Draw.
    • I just realized I need a PDF editor this week.
    • It's overkill for what I need, but I may customize the menu to make it more like Preview
In the past I've done some video editing but I haven't needed to try that on Pop OS yet.

Overall, I don't expect Linux to be free. I prefer to support paid apps where possible as I want the Linux ecosystem to grow -- and my bar for quality is "just works" and I don't want to tinker.

Open to other questions!
Thanks. What about Office-like apps? I used to use Ubuntu years back but ran into a lot of issues with peripherals. How does that work out?
 
There are a lot of comments where people used Android years ago and have cemented their decision based on that experience. Android has come a long way. I've been using Android 12 beta since it out on a Pixel 5, its not bad at all. I'd say Pixel and OnePlus offer the best Android experience IMO. I'm a fan of both iOS and Android and I switch back and forth mostly out of boredom. I mean come on, there cant be one mobile OS! That just isn't cool at all.

As for Watches, I do think the AW is at the top but there is some real decent competition out there. The new Galaxy watch 4 is actually really nice and I have one here. IMO it looks a hell of a lot better than the AW as well.

On a side note, I wouldn't be upset if Windows gave it another try either. I loved the live tiles and the layout of the home screen. If the apps where there I'd have one on the side right now for sure.

Enjoy your stuff! Be happy!
 
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Thanks. What about Office-like apps? I used to use Ubuntu years back but ran into a lot of issues with peripherals. How does that work out?
(I'm assuming these are two different questions)

1. Office-like apps: I don't use Office much. LibreOffice seems to be the default here (came installed on Pop OS). I haven't had much experience besides LibreDraw I already mentioned. I still use Google Docs mostly for work, so that's all in browser. I believe there's paid options for Office as well in case LibreOffice doesn't have what you need.

2. Peripherals - overall seems pretty good. That said, the biggest limitation is hardware vendors. If they support open standards and publish specs, they will be supported on Linux.
 
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Funny, I was on the macrumours event thread last night, everyone was of the same opinion, meh not interested, yet all has had a change of mind over night it seems
I've been on MacRumors long enough to realize this is pretty normal. People will look for things to complain about, get upset when they inevitably find them, and then forget all about it soon after.

People complain that it's too thin, Apple makes it thicker and now it's too thick. A thread like this is started every year or two as well so congrats on being a part of the tradition.
 
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because they still cant even deliver features that have been on android or 100$ chinese phones for 5 years already.
The great thing about the market place is the choices that the consumer can vote on with their wallets. Just think all the money you will save by buying one of those cheap $100 Android phones that have the features you so much desire. If I was as unhappy as you profess about Apple I would stop buying their product and give my money to another company that deserves it because they provide the features I want.
 
NO CHANCE!!! can't wait till this bad boy arrives, one does not leave the best for a laggy, overheating, un optimised mess.

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What excuse? Are you saying how I’ve used android is wrong?! I used Android extensively from 2010-2012 and flashed CyanogenMod, LiquidRom and a few others plus flashing kernels so I’m no stranger to customizations and tinkering.

I just don’t really care about doing that much anymore. Your solution of using a launcher is the equivalent to putting makeup on a pig. Plus widgets on Android before iOS adopted them finally (I agree they took forever) were fugly af and there was no cohesion between the widgets at all. All y’all android fanboys answers are the same, well put a different launcher, turn off these 10 settings, install these four apps blah blah blah. I shouldn’t have to spend 2 hours changing launchers, installing apps to use features that should be part of the OS to begin with and waste time tweaking settings.

Also what do you mean “show real information” on your Sony smartwatch? I get everything I need on my  watch.

I was simply saying my time with Android was not a great experience and you call that excuse. Whatever.

I agree. If this was 10 years ago or so I would have enjoyed Android more due to customization and all that.

But I can care less now and I just enjoy that Apple and iOS just do what I want it to do. I don’t care about launchers or the look of my homescreen has to look different from everyone else’s. I enjoy the premium feel and the simple functionality without having to micromanage my device to ensure enough ram is available and all that like I did when I had android. I just don’t feel like tweaking the settings and digging deep down into the file system to behave a certain way.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with either. It’s all preference. But like you I have a better experience with Apple.
 
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The problem with android is you pay a premium for the top phones and yet do not get a premium experience.

things like all kinds of mods and skins, junk ware installed. Then at best 18 months of OS upgrades.

hardware tech not impressive etc..
 
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NO CHANCE!!! can't wait till this bad boy arrives, one does not leave the best for a laggy, overheating, un optimised mess.

A laggy, overheating, un optimised mess? Hardly. I personally prefer iOS, but don't justify your choice in your own mind by thinking things about Android that are not true.
 
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