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My (both PPC) Macs seem to behave fine under 10.4.9 as well as 10.4.10....

Besides, at the risk of being called a fanboy (jigga, please), if Apple were releasing very optimized Intel builds, it still wouldn't cause the PowerPC builds to actually get slower than the previous PowerPC builds. It would just cause them to not get faster.
Not if the changes they made to the overall system which they had to do for both builds were optimized for Intel and therefore not written as cleanly or nicely for PPC causing it to act slower or crash more often. Software coding is a tricky bit and its very hard to try to have one or similar pieces of code running on completely different systems. I mean its hard enough optimizing the code to run smoothly on one let alone both simultaneously. And if I was in the position of which to optimize for I think its obvious, the ones who shelled out the extra money to buy brand new Intel machines and entrust in Apple they will get faster (since Rosetta was far from a quick solution). If you just upgraded your hardware I'm sure you would be pissed if after paying all that money just now its not even being optimized for you. I mean its been what two years since Apple announced the switch? I know a lot of people still have PPCs cause rarely do people buy new computers every two years. But this is the start of sort of regular cycle for buying new computers in the 3-4 year period. When Leopard comes out I'm sure it'll be even slower (half due to the extra specs needed, and half due to optimization). So that at that point when Christmas rolls around many PPC users will feel like its time.

They may be starting to show their age only now, but its not going to get any better. I think Apple has made a very nice transition seeing how new software for Apple works on PPC and everything. But you can't expect everything to be optimized for PPC years down the road.
 
i love apple to death, but it's stupid to think that a company that makes it's money on hardware would want it's older hardware kicking around for years, esp. PPC. apple employs that strategy as well as planned obsolescence.

does that make them less ethical? no. it makes them smarter. are they pushing out products that you don't want or don't function correctly? no. they're doing most things right.

they still have to make money. they are just maintaining the a position they think is most beneficial for them AND the consumer. that's ethics. not caring about the customer over themselves, but caring about the customer AFTER themselves. which surprising a lot of companies do not do.
 
OK if I was impolite to ask him to get a grip what was he insulting the entire Apple OS X development team plus Steve Jobs personally? If I'm a fanboy for defending their honor then I'll take it. Everyone who works for Apple couldn't be a better human being - EVERYONE.

LOL!!!!
 
Recently upgraded my PB G4 1.25GHz to 160GB/5400rpm HD and 2GB mem.:)

OS 10.4.10 running as a train. I am planning to keep using it for another 3/4/5 years and probably even longer.

Apple would never criple their software for Macs, they really honor the relationship with their users, although I do suspect them doing it on the Windows platform. (quicktime/iTunes):cool:

i love apple to death, but it's stupid to think that a company that makes it's money on hardware would want it's older hardware kicking around for years, esp. PPC. apple employs that strategy as well as planned obsolescence.

If upgrades stop coming, which I doubt, I plan to just keep the latest versions running, as long as it does not have serious disadvantages.
 
It wasn't meant to be arrogant but your post is one of the most cynical I have ever read here - plus to make it a new thread is just so outrageous I couldn't help myself. It makes ye appear to be a blasphemer sir. Do you not realize that Apple employees are among those with the highest ethical standards in the history of mankind? They are all above reproach when it comes to proper behavior. They can't even get hired without passing rigorous ethical background checks.

Don't forget that when they made the Apple III when you could switch between using the Apple II and III interface that Apple made the Apple II part of the computer work worse than the original Apple II so people would think that the Apple III was so much better.

Now that apple is making Intel Mac are they putting out software updates that hurt PPC so that people will think that Inter Macs are better?!?!

Who knows... but they have done it before in the past. That have a history of it. From the beginnings!

Interesting....

The Stig
 
I understand the term, thanks.

Did you really have to respond in such an arrogant way though?

Rich.
I'm going to have to agree here, that response was unnecessary.

However, I do not believe Apple is doing this. If anything, Apple seems to be the company that supports their past OS's more and for longer periods of time than MS. I would say there may be a problem with your Powerbook, but it could also be just a situation where your disks are too full.
 
Although SJ has said he thought Apple made lots of mistakes in the past, and now they've learnt from them, they won't happen again.

I don't think Apple would sabotage PPC users on purpose. Don't forget that a lot of Apple's biggest and most important customers run arrays of PPC Macs, such as Virginia Tech, Microsoft, the Army and NASA.
 
I'm going to have to agree here, that response was unnecessary.

However, I do not believe Apple is doing this. If anything, Apple seems to be the company that supports their past OS's more and for longer periods of time than MS. I would say there may be a problem with your Powerbook, but it could also be just a situation where your disks are too full.

Yeah especially when Bill is cutting the plug on XP, what... like next month?
 
I'd have to agree with most of the posters on the board that Apple wouoldn't intentionally do this. In fact, in the past, I've heard many commments that 10.3 was faster on G3's than 10.2.

The other thing to ponder is whether this is a perception or a reality. I know on my old PowerMac G5, things seem to have slowed down over the years. But then with all the applications and games loaded on it, and having BOINC running may have slowed it down. Maybe part of it is the HD and file directory too, I noticed that after I fixed a directory problem with DiskWarrior, my machine was a bit faster. Then again in comparison to my much faster Mac Pro, my PowerMac G5 is going to seem to be slower.
 
It wasn't meant to be arrogant but your post is one of the most cynical I have ever read here - plus to make it a new thread is just so outrageous I couldn't help myself. It makes ye appear to be a blasphemer sir. Do you not realize that Apple employees are among those with the highest ethical standards in the history of mankind? They are all above reproach when it comes to proper behavior. They can't even get hired without passing rigorous ethical background checks.

Someone forgot to take his meds...again.
 
Although Apple MAY do such a thing, I still believe that Apple is very user-friendly, especially to older machines. I mean some people still run G3s, or G4s with 500mhz and it still runs along fine even with the latest operating systems. Now try to install Vista on a Pentium III or what not, it wont even run.

Technology always gets outdated, but Apple is one of those companies where the product has a longer life I think.
 
Thanks everyone for your input, it has been a very interesting read.

I purchased an OrcaLogic 1GB stick for my PowerBook yesterday (bringing it to 1.5GB), and i'm looking into a 160GB hd upgrade. (If it's even possible? Ultra ATA?)

I've put my iPhoto Library on an external over FireWire 800, and i'm considering putting my iTunes Library on there too!

Once again, thanks all for your input and recommendations!

Rich.
 
Thanks everyone for your input, it has been a very interesting read.

I purchased an OrcaLogic 1GB stick for my PowerBook yesterday (bringing it to 1.5GB), and i'm looking into a 160GB hd upgrade. (If it's even possible? Ultra ATA?)

I've put my iPhoto Library on an external over FireWire 800, and i'm considering putting my iTunes Library on there too!

Once again, thanks all for your input and recommendations!

Rich.

That RAM is going to help tremendously. I just upgraded the RAM in my 1.33 GHz G4 PB from 768 MB to 1.25 GB, and even that made a very noticeable difference.
 
I understand the term, thanks.

Did you really have to respond in such an arrogant way though?

Rich.

of course he's arrogant look at his pic.

anyway, yet I feel the same way bro.

I just got a new mac pro and pretty much just little things such as response times of simple things in programs of regular apps is drastically different from my G5. I mean simple things.
toast 8 on a g5 compared to toast 7 was a huge performance drop
 
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