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these are just simply things a company like Apple should have already.
and if the MBA is the direction that they are taking towards there other laptops, i wont be happy. few ports, no CD/DVD drive, all about thiness it just doesnt appeal to the masses.

Not the external side, the big leap forward for th MBA was inside -- the size of the motherboard and the chip packaging.

Apple is a master of taking the same machine, packaging it several ways and making you think they are all different.

I see what Apple did with the MBA as sign that there could be some changes in store for some if not all of the machines rather soon.
 
I totally understand that you have certain needs as a pro but as I read your entire post what does most of it have to do with being a pro?
3G? LED backlight? Pros have been using computers for years and never needed this. I think you just want the latest technology.
The graphics card? Another pro thing?? Uh no. All of Apple pro software runs on the current GPU in the MBP.
Blu ray drive? Another pro thing?? Uh no. You can use high capacity external drives to store files.

Built in 3G would be nice so that I don't have to carry around a flimsy USB 3G card for my laptop to access broadband internet. And to upload files wirelessly faster.

LED backlights have better color accuracy, they're brighter, consume less power and they don't dim over the life of the notebook. Not NECESSARY, but would be nice to have in the 17" MBP.

The graphics card is purely so that the new computer that I buy won't be outdated sooner than if i had the current card thats in the MBP. I merely want the option for the best so my computer will be more productive for longer and will take longer before its outdated. Do people complain about having too much VRAM and too powerful of a card?

As for Blu ray, i've had collegues who have already been asked if they can get a project of the video that was edited on Blu ray. Players are being adopted pretty quickly and in a year or two clients will be asking for their video's on Blu ray. It'd be nice to have to option to burn off a disc without lugging around an external burner. So yes, it does have a REAL professional application.

I realize that non of these are absolutely critical. But if i'm ponying up $3K+ for a laptop. I want it to be top of the line, have more power than I need right of the the gate so i can mature into it. I'd like for the MBP that I buy to at least last me 5 years for such an investment. Is it too much to ask that these options are offered BTO?
 
But there is soo many posts about people waiting for a certain feature from Apple that they just aren't releasing.

So you are advocating what? That Apple should plot their product roadmap based on the infinitesimally small minority of known maniacal whiners at MacRumors? :mad:

I don't think that you can support this argument against the sales numbers that Apple has posted the last few years. Heh, even with the missing mythical $1000 headless mini-tower, Mac sales have been absolutely astounding.

Never in my 43 years of life have I ever loved a material item like I have my Mac, :apple:TV and iPod Touch. :D
 
Apple has definitely fallen behind in many respects.

Let's look at the MacBook.

It can keep the same design, just make the build quality good enough to where the system won't crack under heat or fall apart for no good reason.

But for $1099 it should have 160GB standard, 2GB of RAM standard, DVD writer standard, and a 128MB GeForce 8400M GS. Drop the Firewire port in favor of an HDMI output.

The MacBook "Pro" should either be a truly "pro" system, complete with specs similar to those of "professional" systems in the same price range. Like 4GB of RAM, 512MB-1GB workstation quality GPUs, etc.

Or the price should be lowered. Looking at the specs, a similarly spec'ed PC will cost about $1,000 less compared to the $2,499 MacBook and roughly the same for the 17" model with the higher resolution screen.

If they make the MacBook Pro a truly professional computer, then bring out a 15.4" system at $1299. C2D 2.4GHz, 2GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, GeForce 8600M GT 512MB, DVD writer. $200 option for blu-ray.

If they did everything I just said, they would be in line with every other manufacturer out there as far as price and specs are concerned.

Right now they charge far too much for way too little.
 
Things like:
-Blu-ray
-redesign MB/P
-new track pads
-LED backlit screen
-Penryn
-3G iphone
-dedicated graphics on MB
-Anything else??

1. As said before, it's too expensive. I rarely use DVDs, and I have no lust for blu-ray at the moment. If i'm going to be moving that much stuff, I use an external HDD. It's much cheaper, faster, more compatible (as no-one else has BR drives) and it can be reused.

2. I like the current design as it is. The only redesign needed on the MBP is to make the HDD removable.

3. The new track pads have been a big thing since the MBA was publicly shipped a few weeks ago. I'd love to see a firm/software update to allow it on all Mac notebooks with 2-finger scrolling.

4. They will come, probably in the next update.

5. This reminds me about all the crying about Merom and SR. Now that they are out, people really don't seem to care all that much. How will Penryn serve you better than SR is serving you now?

6. That I do want. I'm on a 3 network in Australia, and I have a powerful lust for a touchable iPod. Hopefully the release of a 3G iPhone will coincide with an Australian release :D

7. I never use the graphics card on my MB, and i'd bet 90% of users of and consumer level Mac (iMac, Mac Mini or MacBook) don't either.
 
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I think you just want the latest technology.

This isn't aimed at the post above but i think that that quote sums up an annoyance i have with people on here who ask why we want an update.

I'm paying £1500 for a Laptop so i knida expect it to be the latest and greatest.

Now look at the MBP's page at Apple.com: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

It proudly displays 'State of the Art meets State of the Art' (in reference to Leopard being on the MBP).

Apple is marketing the MBP as being a 'state of the art' machine so i (and i suppose others) expect it to have the latest technology. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
 
When I bought my MacBook Pro last summer, just after its refresh, it was feature and cost competitive with Windows laptops of like design. The "Apple Tax" was at most a 15%. When the Mac Pro launched, it was hailed as being less expensive, in absolute dollars, than any equivalent Dell offering.

In the eight or so months since release, the current MBP has had minimal configuration and price changes (a CPU boost recently?). In contrast, PC laptops of like design have introduced current hardware options and dropped price a bit. So now the MBP is looking overpriced and / or outdated.

My estimate, especially with the Intel-changeover, is that Apple releases refreshed designs about every year or so that are feature-for-feature price competitive with competing, mainstream Wintel computers.

However, Apple keeps their hardware configurations and prices (almost) fixed until the next refresh, and their pricing becomes less favorable -- even to Mac fans.

Why would Apple do this? Increased profits and improved customer service, I expect. Longer-term offerings of the same hardware will increase their order sizes from suppliers providing cheaper prices to Apple. And ordering the same parts as their prices fall also gives Apple cheaper costs. The result is that Apple has better profits over the lifetime of a given product.

It also plays towards Apple's proposition of simplicity -- in buying as well as using their hardware. A simplified product line has been a hallmark for years: fewer options improves the shopping experience by not overwhelming the customer with too many (redundant) options. And by keeping product lines feature-fixed for longer periods it also subtly reduces buyer confusion. There's less of the "if I wait for two weeks, a new option will be out" mania. It supports the Mac concept that hardware has a longer life -- people see their Apple hardware made upgraded and made obsolete less frequently. It may be a false perception, based on actual hardware options, but Apple is about perception and emotion along with actual hardware and software.


For most people, I think this is a non-issue. The typical Mac buyer is a loyalist and is buying a Mac. They're not thinking they'll switch back to Windows simply because the hardware 30% cheaper at the moment. They need to run OS X: cheap PC hardware doesn't matter since it doesn't run Apple software.

And the enthusiasts know that Apple will eventually refresh their hardware options, and again be (reasonably) competitive with the current Wintel offerings. And they'll wait to buy if they're too far out on the refresh timeline (like everyone around here is doing, waiting anxiously on a new MBP.)
 
People are pissed that Apple upates the machines every six months, and does a feature bump every now and then in the middle of that.

If Apple updated the machines daily, they'd be pissed that the machine they bought yesterday is outdated and more expensive.
 
When I bought my MacBook Pro last summer, just after its refresh, it was feature and cost competitive with Windows laptops of like design. The "Apple Tax" was at most a 15%. When the Mac Pro launched, it was hailed as being less expensive, in absolute dollars, than any equivalent Dell offering.

In the eight or so months since release, the current MBP has had minimal configuration and price changes (a CPU boost recently?). In contrast, PC laptops of like design have introduced current hardware options and dropped price a bit. So now the MBP is looking overpriced and / or outdated.

My estimate, especially with the Intel-changeover, is that Apple releases refreshed designs about every year or so that are feature-for-feature price competitive with competing, mainstream Wintel computers.

However, Apple keeps their hardware configurations and prices (almost) fixed until the next refresh, and their pricing becomes less favorable -- even to Mac fans.

Why would Apple do this? Increased profits and improved customer service, I expect. Longer-term offerings of the same hardware will increase their order sizes from suppliers providing cheaper prices to Apple. And ordering the same parts as their prices fall also gives Apple cheaper costs. The result is that Apple has better profits over the lifetime of a given product.

It also plays towards Apple's proposition of simplicity -- in buying as well as using their hardware. A simplified product line has been a hallmark for years: fewer options improves the shopping experience by not overwhelming the customer with too many (redundant) options. And by keeping product lines feature-fixed for longer periods it also subtly reduces buyer confusion. There's less of the "if I wait for two weeks, a new option will be out" mania. It supports the Mac concept that hardware has a longer life -- people see their Apple hardware made upgraded and made obsolete less frequently. It may be a false perception, based on actual hardware options, but Apple is about perception and emotion along with actual hardware and software.


For most people, I think this is a non-issue. The typical Mac buyer is a loyalist and is buying a Mac. They're not thinking they'll switch back to Windows simply because the hardware 30% cheaper at the moment. They need to run OS X: cheap PC hardware doesn't matter since it doesn't run Apple software.

And the enthusiasts know that Apple will eventually refresh their hardware options, and again be (reasonably) competitive with the current Wintel offerings. And they'll wait to buy if they're too far out on the refresh timeline (like everyone around here is doing, waiting anxiously on a new MBP.)


Very good analysis. These things go in cycles. I expect Apple to stay on their game. I must say, though, that Apple's corporate name change gave me cause for concern that their focus was no longer primarily computers. Oh well. Adapt or die, as my old pal Darwin observed.
 
keep in mind they do need maintain close cost competition with PC machines. Money is a dictator.

Sorry - I just spat my drink all over my monitor. Apple does NOT maintain close cost competition with PC machines. Money is a dictator, hence why they can, and do shaft people over the prices of Apple hardware.

Doug
 
So you are advocating what? That Apple should plot their product roadmap based on the infinitesimally small minority of known maniacal whiners at MacRumors? :mad:

Definitely agreed with that. It's bad enough we have the numerous whining threads - I suppose eventually you'll have people that will actually believe things like the MBP design being outdated.
 
they could go a few mm's thicker so standardized parts would fit in it! It'd be pretty cool if they could somehow shoehorn 2 hard drives in somehow. I know it's probably impossible because its pretty crowded in there.

Maybe in the 17" MacBook Pro.
 
Definitely agreed with that. It's bad enough we have the numerous whining threads - I suppose eventually you'll have people that will actually believe things like the MBP design being outdated.

No. because things like LED backlit screen for 17" new keyboard and trackpad are all things other Apple laptops already have and Penryn is something all of their competition have. its not whining its fact.
 
7. I never use the graphics card on my MB, and i'd bet 90% of users of and consumer level Mac (iMac, Mac Mini or MacBook) don't either.

OS X and Vista both use the GPU to draw whats on screen. A better GPU gives an all around smoother experience.

On Windows, modern GPUs get used for ALL forms of video playback. Video playback quality on Windows is so much better than OS X that its completely night and day. Plus a dedicated GPU can increase battery life. How? Because an integrated GPU like the GMA 950 and the X3100 have other functions, they cannot clock themselves down. Nor can the memory they rely on.

A dedicated GPU can clock down to 100MHz or lower, even shut off its own memory.
 
I realize that non of these are absolutely critical. But if i'm ponying up $3K+ for a laptop. I want it to be top of the line, have more power than I need right of the the gate so i can mature into it. I'd like for the MBP that I buy to at least last me 5 years for such an investment. Is it too much to ask that these options are offered BTO?

I agree with you, it's not too much to ask for Apple to offer your needs as BTO options. In fact I wish Apple would offer more BTO options to satisfy their customer's specific needs. Here's to hoping they take heed soon. ;)
 
The MacBook Pro design is essentially 5 years old now. It is the same as the aluminum PowerBook which preceded it (introduced MWSF 2003), with the switch to Intel and only minor (external) design changes otherwise.

I always hear people clamoring on these boards for a revision of the current case design to the MBP, but no one ever has a suggestion for what it would be changed to. They just think Apple can somehow make it "better". Apart from maybe a couple ports and a little more tilt on the screen, what else could they possibly change without compromising the hardware inside?

{replaceable hard drive stuff}
This I will agree with. However, use of external drives sort of minimizes this for me; all my extra media goes on the external(s), while anything I absolutely need with me (apps, XP partition, school files) stays on the MBP drive.
 
While I do like the current design, I find its getting quite old. We've had the same 'Pro' design since 2003, thats 5 years. I don't think it's unfair to expect something new by now.
 
I totally understand that you have certain needs as a pro but as I read your entire post what does most of it have to do with being a pro?
3G? LED backlight? Pros have been using computers for years and never needed this. I think you just want the latest technology.
The graphics card? Another pro thing?? Uh no. All of Apple pro software runs on the current GPU in the MBP.
Blu ray drive? Another pro thing?? Uh no. You can use high capacity external drives to store files.

Please stop talking (blogging) when you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Pros do need Blue ray, fast CPU's and good graphics because as hardware improves, software evolves to take advantage of it. You are obviously not a graphic artist or software Developer. We need the hardware in a 'Pro' machine to be pretty fantastic because the software we use keeps getting better and slower on older machines and we need to be productive and efficient. Are you aware of HD camcorders? They use huge amounts of Hard drive space and the videos will only fit on either blue ray or HD disks or of course hard drives. There are a lot of us who work with High Def video. This takes high CPU speeds and lots of Ram to render. I could go on and on but I think you get my point. If a machine is called 'Pro' it should have the hardware that the pro's need to do their jobs.
 
apple also haven't got media card readers on their laptops, which is nearly on all other brand laptops being realeased
 
blue ray- my asssss!

Pros do need Blue ray, fast CPU's and good graphics because as hardware improves, software evolves to take advantage of it.

Sure we need performance, but please .. go ahead and buy blue ray discs for $$$$$$$ instead of dual layer dvds .... ever heard of price/performance statistics ?
I'd never go bluray if the media disc do not get cheaper in terms of times^times :)
oh ! , ,one more thing .. SONY could kiss my a** ! I don't want any part made by Sony ...ever more.!I want a MBP with a samsung screen for instance.

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apple also haven't got media card readers on their laptops, which is nearly on all other brand laptops being realeased
Is it some sort of Cupertino blasphemy to put card readers in laptops ? Just askin'.

the same sony shi* ..get a hub and read more books .. more openings in the case = more problems.
 
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