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Funny thing is there is no more Microsoft Office.
Sure there is, Microsoft would much prefer people go the 365 route but Office (perpetual license) is still alive and kicking. Just bough one for my PC and use one on my Mac.

 
Bento just never seemed right to me… I mean what really was it, a more advanced contacts app, that’s what it felt like to me.
I found a serviceable db for light needs. I think they killed it before they really developed it; I wish they had morphed it into a Filemaker Lite as part of iWorks. What could have been.
 
In addition to iWork, Apple has been phasing out other "i" branding terms over the last several years. iBooks and iPhoto are now Apple Books and Photos, respectively, while iTunes has been separated into Apple Music, Apple TV, and Apple Podcasts.
Leave it to Tim Cook to strip out culture in order to make things look and feel corporate. He did that very same thing in 2013 by allowing Jony Ive to strip out Scott Forstall’s culturally rich skeuomorphism and replace it with corporate flat design.
 
Sure there is, Microsoft would much prefer people go the 365 route but Office (perpetual license) is still alive and kicking. Just bough one for my PC and use one on my Mac.

You can get a legit perpetual license for MS Office for far less. Don’t pay retail.
 
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Leave it to Tim Cook to strip out culture in order to make things look and feel corporate. He did that very same thing in 2013 by allowing Jony Ive to strip out Scott Forstall’s culturally rich skeuomorphism and replace it with corporate flat design.
Didn’t Forstall also mess up Apple Maps that caused many major incidents that’s what actually led to him being fired? I don’t really think it’s was just skeuomorphism. What has Scotty boy done since he had been liberated from Big Bad Apple?
 
I've tried LibreOffice, but it just (and, just as the MS Office suite still does as well) - it is just so non-native feeling and clunky. The features are fairly decent, but I just wish that some UI and designers would hop on some of these projects and really take things to the next level. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, but it hasn't.

If they just made platform-specific UIs for the Libre suite, it would be a massive upgrade to things. I'm not against it whatsoever as it is right now. I just think they could do so much better, with not even that much work if they got some of the right people with those necessary skills onboard.
To me, having used Windows, macOS and Linux, I think the real purpose of LibreOffice having a non-Native interface is to get you to switch to Linux, where it will be native.
 
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To me, having used Windows, macOS and Linux, I think the real purpose of LibreOffice having a non-Native interface is to get you to switch to Linux, where it will be native.
Makes sense, but it really wouldn't be too much work (if they had the assets created to use) to have native elements for each platform and take it to the next level.
Or, if their goal is to truly make us switch to Linux, I'm not there yet.
Might be coming soon though if the Mac continues down this path
 
Makes sense, but it really wouldn't be too much work (if they had the assets created to use) to have native elements for each platform and take it to the next level.
Or, if their goal is to truly make us switch to Linux, I'm not there yet.
Might be coming soon though if the Mac continues down this path
I don't think that LO has very many Mac developers; maybe one or two.
 
I don't think that LO has very many Mac developers; maybe one or two.
I bet they'd have more with a more modern UI and a more native UI for each platform. Especially mac users. I'd consider jumping ship for sure if it just felt more modern. But I get what you're saying.
 
Makes sense. The other day, I tried opening an excel spreadsheet in Numbers. I got this error message "unsupported formulas were replaced by the last reported value". Imagine getting that in a work environment. Someone sends you a spreadsheet, which you open in Numbers, and it breaks a formula. Then you make your modifications and send it on. No one is thinking that you modified the formula because why would you, but it causes cells to not be updated correctly, potentially causing unnoticed errors going forward. It's worth it to companies to standardize on MS Office to eliminate issues like that.
I can access uni prices for both suites and I intend to keep aubscribing to both just to avoid that
 
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Waiting for iPhone to become Apple Phone and iPad becomes Apple Pad
As much as this was a joke (I think), Apple would probably love to ditch the “i” everywhere- it’s of its time, and that time is long gone. It’s dated, and doesn’t really resonate anymore. As a tech company that should (in theory) be on the forefront of innovation, a legacy name that speaks to the past instead of the future, isn’t ideal.

That said, there’s no way for them to change the name of these products now - the iPhone is iconic, and they would be morons to ditch the name of such a well-known and well-regarded device.

But who knows. Powerbook became Macbook, so I suppose never say never.
 
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Yeah, totally unavoidable, because with an annual net income of $117B Apple barely manages to keep above water.

Touché, but Apple historically has been extremely rigid with the profit margin percentage they attempt to garner from each product. They didn't get to be a nearly trillion dollar valuation corporation by just simply eating rising component costs to maintain static product prices.
 
I honestly thought that Apple had stopped using the "iWork" brand years ago. 🤔

Anyway:
...while iTunes has been separated into Apple Music, Apple TV, and Apple Podcasts.
Apple is still using the "iTunes" brand for the music store.
 
About time and improve the whole product line. Never really used it over office. Add more writing ai and grammar features to pages, and more design tools in keynote. Not sure if numbers will ever catch up with excel.
IMO numbers is better for most things that are within its scope, whereas excel is more clunky for simple stuff but can go a lot further into the realm where R/matlab/python libs are more suitable.

Documents based on tables of data are the main function of numbers, but a horrible bodge in excel.
 
This is a mistake. These apps do not belong in Creator Studio.

So true.

The thing is though, I care enough about the iWorks apps, in particular Numbers, that I would actually be willing to pay a subscription for a Pro version of the iWorks apps if it meant that Apple would use that revenue to allocate more developer resources to those apps to make them more feature rich.

I appreciate that Apple likes to keep things fairly simple and wouldn't (I assume) want to drift towards bloatware but as an Excel user who would happily switch to Numbers if I could. The blank canvass with the ability to place multiple objects/tables on it concept would make creating clean, good looking spreadsheets so much easier than the rigid single-table concept in Excel). My problem though is that computationally and control-wise Numbers is very deficient compared to Excel and there is stuff in some of my spreadsheets that I just couldn't move across.

Of course Apple is now getting subscription revenue for Numbers (and the other iWorks apps) because they are part of Creator Studio (CS) subscription but as you point out they really don't belong there. I suspect that the share of the CS revenue stream that the iWorks apps are going to get is going to be quite small and Numbers' cut of that even smaller so I am not willing to pay $129 a year for a load of quite sophisticated audio/video/image creation apps that I have absolutely zero interest in just for a version of Numbers that, if my hunch about the allocation of the CS revenue stream across the various app development teams is correct, is probably only going to get very minor enhancements to its calculation and control abilities anyway.

On the other hand, if Apple created a stand-alone subscription for the iWorks apps - maybe somewhere in the $49 to $69 a year price range for Pro versions of Pages, Numbers and Keynote - I would actually be willing to pay that if a third of the revenue stream (minus Apple's margin of course) went to increasing the development resource so that Numbers could at least close the gap in functionality with Excel.

If Apple did a good enough job with a pro version of Numbers that would actually save me money because I would cancel my Microsoft 365 subscription and switch everything to Numbers. (I'm in the enviable and maybe somewhat unusual situation of not needing interoperability with other people so I don't care about perfect and complete Excel compatibility, I just need a few extra features in Numbers so that I could use it for all of my spreadsheet work.)
 
IMO numbers is better for most things that are within its scope, whereas excel is more clunky for simple stuff but can go a lot further into the realm where R/matlab/python libs are more suitable.

Documents based on tables of data are the main function of numbers, but a horrible bodge in excel.

That's fair but at least I have found it possible to do those horrible bodges in Excel to create spreadsheets that do pretty much look as good as something created in Numbers by having lots of very narrow columns and merging them as necessary to create different sized tables, text areas, graphics and blank areas in between all on the same sheet/tab. I agree though that it is a LOT more effort to do nice layouts in Excel and heaven help you if you want to change any part of a layout bodged up that way because that involves a lot of work unmerging, moving and then re-merging columns.

The problem though is that going the other way to replicate at least some missing Excel functionality in Numbers involves what in my personal opinion are even more horrible bodges.

I suppose beauty, and hence ugliness, is in the eye of the beholder so others might disagree about which bodges are more hideous but for instance when planning my imminent(*) move from Windows to Mac a few weeks ago I was having a look at Numbers and tried to work out if there was any way I could replicate a fairly straightforward VBA function I have in some of my Excel spreadsheets that calculates a UK tax liability - UKTax(<earnings>,<interest>, <dividends>, <gains>) that returns the total tax liability across all of those income sources in a given tax year).

According to Gemini it's impossible to do within the character limitations for an individual cell formula. It is possible to do by splitting the calculation across multiple cells and I did implement that out of interest and it works but unfortunately the intermediate cells are effectively statically scoped variables used by the "function" so you have to have duplicate copies of all of the cells, one for every cell that wants to use that "function" and those calling cells can't of course pass any parameters to the "function" so you have to hard-code the inputs for each invocation into the "function" cells themselves. Doable but really so messy as to be unworkable in my opinion.

I don't actually think that Apple needs to do that much to give numbers a very significant boost in functionality, probably enough of a boost for me to be able to move away from Excel and deny Microsoft my MS365 subscription, but sadly so far I've not seen any encouraging signs that Apple is likely to do much with Numbers. In fact some of the stuff I've seen is deeply disappointing, for instance introducing Lambda functions recently but not named ones.

Oh well, I might yet get a pleasant surprise and at least Excel is available on MacOS. I really would love to streamline things though when I make my move away from using a Windows PC and switching from MS Office to iWorks would have been nice.

(*) I hope - I'm waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the rest of the M5 MacBooks to be released before buying my forst ever Mac.
 
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The whole suite never matured into something professional, so the cloud was a great opportunity to trim everything back down. And now ... before it will be phased out completely.
 
Oh I was seriously bitter with the way Aperture was discarded. At the time (was this around 2007?) the competition was between Apple Aperture and Adobe Lightroom for software management of photos. I decided Aperture was the one I wanted because I trusted Apple to keep developing the software, etc. I forget how many years later that Apple abandoned Aperture and effective forced us into iPhotos (later, Photos). I was bitter because of all the workflow and organization I had done in Aperture, while not totally lost, meant yet another round of re-administering of old photos.

What I can't stand is Apple abandoning a good product and offering either a mediocre and less advanced product, or simply abandoning it totally. It's on reason I never went with iWork. I don't need my documents to be in a format that in later years I can't access because Apple decided to abandon it. By themselves, these kinds of Apple software (iWork, Aperture, etc.) are actually quite good. But the problem is future support and/or development of the software.

your concerns are valid but pages and numbers have been around for like 20 years. There is also an export to .docx option.
 
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