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Sounds like it's just a regional supply and demand issue. They've been in the US refurb store every time I've checked. At the moment theres an 11" 4/128 model for $759 (€683) and a 4/256 for $929 (€836).

This might mean that the MBA is more popular in the EU and sells out faster, or maybe it means the MBA is less popular, so there isn't as big of a supply?

Cheers good to know. Maybe they get less MBA returns also ?
 
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On that note, as a professional female in the tech industry for more years than I want to admit publicly, I love both my MBA and my rMB. Both are small enough that I no longer use a laptop bag, I use a mid to large size handbag as my laptop bag. My family thinks it's a riot that I'm carrying a women's handbag for the first time in decades, and i carry it for my laptop, but the bad guys see a laptop bag and they see dollar signs. They see a women's handbag and they think hairbrush, lipstick, etc.

I have both systems maxed out which equates to the MBA having a 1.7GHz Core i7, 8gb memory, & 512gb flash, and the rMB has a 1.3GHz Core m7, 8gb, & 512gb flash. Both systems are fast, great machines, but one thing that the MBA has way over the retina MacBook is the battery life. My MBA can go days and days without a charge if I put it to sleep in between uses. The retina MacBook not so much. It still has a very decent battery life, but it is not the astronomical battery life of the MacBook Air. The retina MacBook has a great screen, and once I got used to the keyboard, I found I type faster on the MacBook than on other systems (I have a few), and it is lighter, thinner, and smaller than the MBA. The MacBook Air has an upgraded display that while not as sharp as the retina MacBook, is still very clear and sharper than most displays on the market (13" MBA = 128ppi, 112" rMB = 226ppi). I love that the charger on the rMB is a two piece charger as I have a bunch of furballs at home that seem to all love chewing Apple cables, and replacing a $25 USB-C cable is a lot easier on the wallet than the $79 Magsafe. Both are very reliable, although the rMB does not have the track record of the MBA.

Basically, they are different machines, and I take that into consideration. As I said earlier, I have a few Macs, and one of the Macs I have is a 27" iMac, so my usage may be a bit different. Knowing what I do, if I were looking at having just ONE of the two laptops and I was looking at it being my only Mac, I'd opt for the MBA.

I wonder if anyone has manufactured a USB-C to MagSafe cable allowing those new USB-C chargers to be used?

I was really hoping that Apple was going to add USB-C to all of their MacBooks, to bring them all forward. They could have easily replaced the MagSafe with USB-C ports if for nothing else but charging, or at a minimum USB 3, and start unifying the entire product line.

Something like this would have been great:

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Over the next couple of years, I think Apple is heading toward the following line-up, without the MBA:

rMB 12in $999: entry laptop
new MBP 13in without touch bar $1299: mid-range laptop
new MBP 13 in with touch bar $1499: high-end laptop

Of course, it will take time for the prices to work down for the new configurations. I think the rMB will be the first to get a price drop, since it has been out for over a year. In fact this year, some of the big box stores have offered the rMB on special sales for close to the $999 entry level price point.

Anyway, with this future line-up, there really isn't much place for the MBA, which is too bad....I really like my MBA.
 
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I wonder if anyone has manufactured a USB-C to MagSafe cable allowing those new USB-C chargers to be used?

I was really hoping that Apple was going to add USB-C to all of their MacBooks, to bring them all forward. They could have easily replaced the MagSafe with USB-C ports if for nothing else but charging, or at a minimum USB 3, and start unifying the entire product line.

Something like this would have been great:

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Apple has not created the USB-C connector because the voltages on the adapters are a tad bit different.
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Really? In my opinion, The MBA has a piss poor display. I've owned every single last revision up until the 2014 and they've always been sub-par. The new MB has a ridiculously nice display in comparison.
There, fixed that for ya.
 
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Cheers good to know. Maybe they get less MBA returns also ?
BTW, many/most of the refurbs are not returns. Keep in mind, Apple uses it's own products, they have their own products on display in their stores, etc. where do you think those products go? They are not "new" and cannot be sold as such.
 
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BTW, many/most of the refurbs are not returns. Keep in mind, Apple uses it's own products, they have their own products on display in their stores, etc. where do you think those products go? They are not "new" and cannot be sold as such.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. They get a full check-over and I believe a new external case (?battery also ?) - and come with the same warranty with the option for AppleCare as normal. Nothing to lose as I see it.
 
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. They get a full check-over and I believe a new external case (?battery also ?) - and come with the same warranty with the option for AppleCare as normal. Nothing to lose as I see it.
Yes, many appreciate Apple refurbs. But I'm not one of them since with a little poking around I can find new units for LESS than Apple sells refurbed.
 
Yes, many appreciate Apple refurbs. But I'm not one of them since with a little poking around I can find new units for LESS than Apple sells refurbed.

Not where I live ye can't!
And having once bought from a re-seller and experiencing truly mind-blowingly god-awful service, I would only buy direct from Apple in future
 
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I wonder if anyone has manufactured a USB-C to MagSafe cable allowing those new USB-C chargers to be used?

I was really hoping that Apple was going to add USB-C to all of their MacBooks, to bring them all forward. They could have easily replaced the MagSafe with USB-C ports if for nothing else but charging, or at a minimum USB 3, and start unifying the entire product line.

Something like this would have been great:

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https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable
 
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Yes, many appreciate Apple refurbs. But I'm not one of them since with a little poking around I can find new units for LESS than Apple sells refurbed.
any tips? currently thinking of getting a 2015 MBA but can't find anywhere cheaper than apple with education pricing. tried amazon, ebay etc (canadian btw)
 
I suspect you'll hear, either next year or the one after, that "RMB IS THE NEW ENTRY LEVEL AT $1099!"

Or similar.

I think the writing is on the wall given the new MB is more "Air" than the Air. The fact that Apple didn't call it the Macbook Air 12" is a sign.

I very much suspect we will get back to MacBooks and Macbook Pros, all retina, and the Air will fade out like the Macbook Classic. It's the only non-retina device in Apple's lineup and it shows.

Yes, it's cheap. But i believe Apple can fix that by dropping the price of the Macbook to that level.

The original Macbook Air (from 2008) was expensive also. It wasn't until the second generation that Apple got the price down in an aggressive push. I suspect you'll see the Retina Macbook go through the exact same process.

So, next year... still standing by my predictions.... the 11" just got killed off, the 13" won't be far behind as retina screen cost comes down.
 
At my local Apple Store yesterday they were still selling 11" MBAs. I did not expect that.

Old stock, won't last long.

The air is definitely going to be retired, it's just a matter of time. The screen has been pretty garbage for the price for a long time now. A macbook pro screen from 2008 is much better in terms of contrast, viewing angle, colour reproduction, etc.

Don't get me wrong, other than the screen the air is a great machine. But that screen is just unacceptable these days and the new 13" Pro is essentially the same size/weight as the 13" air or better and the 12" retina is lighter than the 11" with a way better screen.
 
If it is replaced I just hope they improve on the features or at least match the current features and don't go the Mac Mini route.

I was out of town with my early 2015 MBA and forgot my charger. I used it on and off for three days on a single charge. Battery life is amazing.
 
My opinion? No way in hell Apple gets rid of their entry level (aka sub $1000) device.

I can see it happening. I see the $999 MacBook Air becoming the non retina MacBook pro that was just discontinued. They will keep it around for a while and not update it, that's it.
 
Not sure if you asking for confirmation because nobody here can give you that.

Only Apple knows, we can only speculate and wait to see what Apple does.

My opinion? No way in hell Apple gets rid of their entry level (aka sub $1000) device.

I can see it happening. I see the $999 MacBook Air becoming the non retina MacBook pro that was just discontinued. They will keep it around for a while and not update it, that's it.

I think its clear they are positioning the ipad pro to take the spot once occupied by the 11" MBA
 
Unacceptable to you, but many people find it very useable. The screen displays everything I need. When I bought mine there was no such thing as retina. If I ever decide to replace my current MBA I'm unlikely to decide to pay the retina tax.

My mother prefers to watch widescreen movies cropped or stretched, and 4:3 SD programs stretched. It doesn't make any difference to her. I can't watch some TV with her because of it.

I have a standard display on my iMac at work, as well as my personal 2012 MBP. But make no mistake, the difference between them and my Retina iPad and iPhone is night and day.

Given the choice of all the factors needed to support my use, I would chose Retina display hands down. One major consideration is that it offers greater display area, since the the smaller text and details can be presented much more legibly than with a standard display. It's also much easier on the eyes, and makes extended reading much more tolerable, so much so that I have threatened to buy my own iMac and bring it in for work. My MBP isn't used as intensively for reading so I'm not as anxious to upgrade it. But I will never buy another Mac, or any device really, without a Retina quality display.
 
I have been looking at the MBA 11 inch for a while. Love the size. The newer mb are nice and just as light, but I absolutely hate the keyboard. Typing on it was a pain. I also like the lighted apple on the air ( sound crazy). I have seen the 13 in airs on Black Friday ads but not the 11 inch. I found one at BB that's an open box for $800. I may try it for a couple of weeks and see if I really like it. If not I will return it. I have a MacBook Pro retina that I use for most of the time. I wanted the smaller air for travel and lighter use , like for meetings.
 
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So, next year... still standing by my predictions.... the 11" just got killed off, the 13" won't be far behind as retina screen cost comes down.
The Grand Central Terminal's Apple store in NYC sells the 11" MBA. I was just there this afternoon. I inquired about it.
[doublepost=1479161637][/doublepost]I'm at a loss as I have a 2010 MBP and it is slow and is on its last legs. I do a few keynote presentations and use pages on occasion. Otherwise, my usage is for email, news reading, and social media like LinkedIn and Facebook. I spoke with 2 salespeople at the Apple Store at Grand Central in NYC. I told them that I'm not editing film or music but I want a product that is future-proofed. My concern was that the 13" MBA with 256GB flash storage (that's what I'm looking for) wouldn't be able to upgrade to future operating systems in 4-5 years. Both said that the MBA's adaptability to new op systems should be fine. The $1199 price is far better than the 13" MBP's $1399 ticket price; I'm not made of money. I don't care one way or the other about retina. I wish my current mag safe plug would work but oh well. What are people's thoughts here?
 
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I always felt that "future proofing" was like chasing smoke. I just buy what meets my needs today and let the future take care of itself. 5 years from now, it will still be the same computer. If new versions of the operating system no longer work, then just don't upgrade to them. With very few exceptions, I keep the original operating system on my computers until I upgrade…. and I have been using Macs since 1985. :)

Still running 10.8.5 on my 2013 MBA with no problems for example. But I have a lot of expensive legacy software, and each upgrade breaks something else. So life is just easier this way...
 
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