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Is Apple shooting itself in the foot by not innovating a new iOS redesign?
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Toggling that switch to off means it wont ask (notify) you to join any unknown networks even if it doesn't find a known one.
I've never been asked to join any networks. It automatically joins my home/office network and if they are not available it defaults to 3G and shuts up unless i manually search for a network.
Are u sure you know how that switch works.
Well... let me put it this way. I am seriously considering switching to Windows Phone at some point in the future. I like my iPhone and much prefer it to Android, but I do wish they'd do *something* to freshen it up. Main reason I chose to stick with Apple is because their resale value and customer support are hard to beat.
Even thought iOS has changed extraordinary in features and performance since the beginning, the UI and visuals looks kinda the same since the first iPhone. Yes, is time Apple revolutionize the looks and rock the ____ out of the competition. People might say what it counts is the use and and how it do things for me... is true i think the same but looks are very important too and the iphone UI is looking outdated since the competition got serious. Dont get me wrong, I am in LOVE with my i phone i love it, but is time to do HUGE change in the UI and LOOKS in the OS. Yeah yeah now start replying with " i only care for what it does" I already agree with that... Is like when people say i only care for the person's interior and feelings... yeah right... hahaha we like hot girls too! and when like girls say the size does not matter, yeah it does! I want a bigger screen too lol! but i still love my iphone over the competition... for now...
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the next iphone will have a bigger screen. This will give apple the excuse they need to introduce features such as home screen widgets. They will say a 3.5inch screen is too small for widgets.
4inch screen will become the new "perfect size" in the apple dogma.
4inch screen will become the new "perfect size" in the apple dogma.
Honestly I think Microsoft will take more customers away from Apple than Google does.
For those of us who actually use our phones... I could care less about a re design. It is a good design, it's easy to use and it works well. It allows me to accomplish what I need to with my phone quickly and efficiently.
Android has had to do more of a re design because they started off with a much crappier design.
Yeah, you might want to take another look at that feature because you are incorrect. Using that feature will allow you to join known networks and will NOT ask you every time you go by some random network.
Android has had to do more of a re design because they started off with a much crappier design.
Yeah, you might want to take another look at that feature because you are incorrect. Using that feature will allow you to join known networks and will NOT ask you every time you go by some random network.
Listen,
Your on a site with nothing but fan boy groupies who will buy anything apple. Steve planted in their minds "It just works"
I couldn't tell you how many times I came across those words on this forum. It's one thing to love a phone and the OS. However, to completely be oblivious to other OS's that does alot more things better then your beloved IOS is sheepish.
Is IOS boring? Sure! It looks the same way since it launched in 2007. 4 years with the same "Icon" design is becoming annoying. I'm putting apple in the same seat as danger's sidekick. The Sidekick never changed their design as well. Matter of fact, Danger did what apple is doing now. They both do small tweaks here and there in updates. They both change the hardware 1-2 years. They both put better resolution screens on the phones every 1-2 years.
Now look at danger and the sidekick LOL
I wouldn't go that far, but apple needs to come with something better then IOS5. Let's think about this for a second, the sidekick at the time HAD no competition. They had it on LOCK! They can come out with their little updates here and there and people will love it since it was probably something needed right? Same thing for apple in 2007....no competition.....no android.....something new....come out with little updates here and there because the people will like it because there are no other alternatives.
NOW, apple cannot keep with these little updates when you have competition. Windows is coming alive....android is on par to IOS with alot more options and customization's.
I am no way dissing IOS as I still have the 4S. Works well and fluently. However, the notification center is corny. I would not understand why they threw this into the OS. If your going to do it, you have to do it right. For example, when I get a notification while on the phone and I don't feel like responding, it goes away fine. Most of the time, i forget that I had the notification because there is no symbol on the top to indicate a message or email. Android notification system is fantastic. Attaching photos while already in the email......can't do it in IOS. I find that really stupid and annoying.
Anyway, the point of the story is I hope apple comes with a revamped system. Not necessarily change everything....but add more functionality to the OS without having to click and go into settings for everything. Let the guards down a little.....
This is all my opinion.............
Because Blackberry, Windows, and Android had every single feature from day 1...
I rather that add little by little, adding too much at once is what cause major issues.
if i was in charge at apple i'd have no problems ripping off the best features from android. I mean android basically followed apples lead.
widgets & customization are what the iphone lacks. Its tricky because ios is known for its smoothness I might be tempted to rule out animated widgets becuase they can cause lag on occasions.
widgets & customization are what the iphone lacks. Its tricky because ios is known for its smoothness I might be tempted to rule out animated widgets becuase they can cause lag on occasions.
People who get "bored" of their phone OS have ADD and won't be satisfied one way or another. I went through that phase where I was cooking WM Roms, and Flashing the new and hot Android Roms...... but then I realized I just wanted a phone to work without me having to change it. I found it on the Android Platform, and I have it now on my iphone 4s.
That being said, there are features that Apple hasn't rolled out that would bring a richer experience to iOS.
1. Someone mentioned it earlier.... Widgets would be nice. There are purist, and they aren't for everyone, but at least give users the choice.
2. Better App integration into the overall OS. I like the benefits of having a Sandboxed application approach, but I hate the downfalls of it as well. It is quite annoying that I can't reply to an email, and attach a PDF, picture, text file.... you name it.
I hate that I can't take a picture and upload it to Facebook, Flikr, Picasa, etc etc from the review screen.
App integration. Apple can handle it. They already have a tightly controlled eco system, so I'm confident they can overcome possible security pitfalls.
Android had this implemented quite well; I'm sure apple can do the same.
3. Notification center updates. Great improvement, with room left for growing. Give me quick access to settings I deem critical. i.E ability to switch on or off different radios.
Great work so far.
That being said, there are features that Apple hasn't rolled out that would bring a richer experience to iOS.
1. Someone mentioned it earlier.... Widgets would be nice. There are purist, and they aren't for everyone, but at least give users the choice.
2. Better App integration into the overall OS. I like the benefits of having a Sandboxed application approach, but I hate the downfalls of it as well. It is quite annoying that I can't reply to an email, and attach a PDF, picture, text file.... you name it.
I hate that I can't take a picture and upload it to Facebook, Flikr, Picasa, etc etc from the review screen.
App integration. Apple can handle it. They already have a tightly controlled eco system, so I'm confident they can overcome possible security pitfalls.
Android had this implemented quite well; I'm sure apple can do the same.
3. Notification center updates. Great improvement, with room left for growing. Give me quick access to settings I deem critical. i.E ability to switch on or off different radios.
Great work so far.
i like ios because it is straightforward--a really efficient method of getting around and getting all different things done, even copying images and text from one app to another. i would much prefer incremental changes over a redesign--just look at the reaction to battery issues or the harumphing some people have had at siri... facetime... etc...
Because history repeats itself, this was all predicted back when the iPhone came out:
1) A primary reason Apple was able to leapfrog everyone in the market was because they had no legacy phone and apps to support, nor millions of users of a particular UI paradigm who hate change. Now, five years later, they're in the same legacy situation as their competition was. Radical changes could alienate their customers.
2) Apple carved out a specific market: the new smartphone user and people who like things dead simple with few options. Again, they wouldn't want to risk losing that market.
3) It was also easily predicted that as users became more experienced, some would find iOS to be too limiting.
4) Everyone is different. They might start with one OS, but simply find that it doesn't fit their needs or mental processes.
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So, what are Apple's options? A couple are:
They could add on an additional model with a different UI paradigm, or even totally switch to it, as Microsoft tried with WM. However, messing with your customer base is a dangerous move. Just ask Netflix or Nokia.
More likely, they will continue to slowly add on features, while holding back options in order to keep things simple. This has worked for years.
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Speaking of legacy UIs, Jobs was a one-trick pony when it came to them. He became famous because of the Mac, and it was easy to see that he would order iOS to follow similar base elements: static app icons, single tasking, and a single main button.
Now that he's gone, I think those base limits might disappear. There are a lot of clever people who've gone and then come back to Apple, with lots of clever ideas.
1) A primary reason Apple was able to leapfrog everyone in the market was because they had no legacy phone and apps to support, nor millions of users of a particular UI paradigm who hate change. Now, five years later, they're in the same legacy situation as their competition was. Radical changes could alienate their customers.
2) Apple carved out a specific market: the new smartphone user and people who like things dead simple with few options. Again, they wouldn't want to risk losing that market.
3) It was also easily predicted that as users became more experienced, some would find iOS to be too limiting.
4) Everyone is different. They might start with one OS, but simply find that it doesn't fit their needs or mental processes.
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So, what are Apple's options? A couple are:
They could add on an additional model with a different UI paradigm, or even totally switch to it, as Microsoft tried with WM. However, messing with your customer base is a dangerous move. Just ask Netflix or Nokia.
More likely, they will continue to slowly add on features, while holding back options in order to keep things simple. This has worked for years.
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Speaking of legacy UIs, Jobs was a one-trick pony when it came to them. He became famous because of the Mac, and it was easy to see that he would order iOS to follow similar base elements: static app icons, single tasking, and a single main button.
Now that he's gone, I think those base limits might disappear. There are a lot of clever people who've gone and then come back to Apple, with lots of clever ideas.
This kind of reminds me of the huge outrage that people had because the iPhone 4S wasn't a dramatic change body-wise from the iPhone 4.
If something works, and works very well...why redesign it? Apple's focus isn't to bring a new innovation around every corner, but to make using technology a better experience for the user.
There are a couple things iOS could do a bit better as far as multi-app management, but they're already on the ball with that.
If anything they'd be shooting themselves in the foot with a major redesign as people have become accustomed to how iOS looks and operates for the past 5 generations of iOS products.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
If something works, and works very well...why redesign it? Apple's focus isn't to bring a new innovation around every corner, but to make using technology a better experience for the user.
There are a couple things iOS could do a bit better as far as multi-app management, but they're already on the ball with that.
If anything they'd be shooting themselves in the foot with a major redesign as people have become accustomed to how iOS looks and operates for the past 5 generations of iOS products.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
Saying iOS is boring sounds kinda juvenile. The problem is that iOS is just not what it could be, and deep down, most users know this, but many deny it.
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This kind of reminds me of the huge outrage that people had because the iPhone 4S wasn't a dramatic change body-wise from the iPhone 4.
If something works, and works very well...why redesign it? Apple's focus isn't to bring a new innovation around every corner, but to make using technology a better experience for the user.
There are a couple things iOS could do a bit better as far as multi-app management, but they're already on the ball with that.
If anything they'd be shooting themselves in the foot with a major redesign as people have become accustomed to how iOS looks and operates for the past 5 generations of iOS products.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
This isn't 2007-2008 anymore. There is competition. Apple should take notes from Mike Lazaridis and James Balsillie about ONLY catering to their consumers and leaving out the rest of the world.
As a converted fan of ICS, I will also say no. Apple's intentions are different than that of Android, and to some extent, even Windows. iOS is meant to remain simple and easy to use for the general public.
Having said that, I understand some users complaint that iOS is boring. In many ways, it's meant to be "boring."
Try ICS.
Having said that, I understand some users complaint that iOS is boring. In many ways, it's meant to be "boring."
Try ICS.
The Devil's Advocate position might be Blackberry. It worked well and it was well loved. However, Lot's of people left Blackberry for Android and iPhone.... entire ecosystems that are radically different.
I submit that a Radical re-design is not required every iteration, but improvements to UI, features, capabilities are. Form factors updates are nice too. And I don't mean adding features that was the standard on current gen phones to the next generation iphone and hailing it as a gift directly from steve jobs (MMS and 3G come to mind). Product refreshes are required every once in a while to keep innovation rolling.
But then the same can be said about almost any tech company that has a huge/loyal following. You'll get 6 of one, and half dozen of the other complaining about different things on different sides of the fence.
Blackberries, however horrendous they might be, held on for so long not only because it was considered THE phone for business people, but because it stayed consistent with what the user base was accustomed to.
Up til now I've been an Android user since the first G1, and it started out looking like Windows 98. Terrible. Horrible. Come now, the Android OS is VASTLY improved and giving iOS a run for it's money...but still retains the overall consistency from when it was first launched. Again, staying fairly consistent to what the user base is accustomed to.
Of course iOS and Android blew Blackberry out of the water surely and quickly...but that's a different discussion altogether.
And aside from more intuitive multi-tasking (which is already being worked on), widgets, and the ability to turn on/off different radios in the drop-down shelf...I'm failing to see how a redesign would be justified by Apple. No one is painting a picture on what would be a new iOS redesign, but commenting on features they want to see implemented.
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Now we're speaking Geekanese lol. We must have posted at the same time because you said pretty much what I said.
Those "gift" features as you call it are exactly why I stated away from the iPhone at the beginning. But it wasn't until the 4S that I thought "Ok...now Apple has got it right". [<-- My Opinion]
Point taken......but that is the very reason why RIM is under water. After a certain amount of time, change is going to be needed.
Google came a long way in 3 years. They revamped their OS year after year.
In the last 3 years, blackberry looked and function the same way. Nothing is innovative about blackberry. it lacks features and it lacks a modern OS.
Apple made minor improvements in the last 3 years. However, overall, there in the same boat as blackberry in regards to staying the same.
Keep in mind that this isn't the same world as it was 3 or 4 years ago. The standards get higher each year and apple is failing to meet those standards. Keeping things simple and the same is a thing of the past. Windows is looking like a contender now....they had to revamp their OS so the younger crowds can take notice.
The last thing apple wants to do is play catch up...........IE RIM.
Look at where Matias Duarte and Andy Rubin are now. (both were together at Danger)