iPhone XR Is Apple using us as test bunnies?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by austyn23, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. austyn23 macrumors regular

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    My experience tells me not to buy 1rst generation apple products...

    iPhone 6: bend > 6S Great
    iPhone X / XS: eye strain > maybe in 2019?
    Macbook pro 2012: heat issues > 2015 Great
    Macbook pro 2016: keyboard issues > 2018 no idea, went back to 2015...

    iPhone XR?

    "Specifically, it’s been reported that light leakage around the notch has been an issue. Unlike the OLED screens in the iPhone X/Xs/Max, LCD screens still need backlighting, and a precise notch cut is therefore vital".

    Source: https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/14/iphone-xr-delay-reason-implications/
     
  2. akash.nu macrumors 604

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    - iPhone 6 didn’t have issues, 6 plus was bending for some people who didn’t look after their phones and put extreme pressure. That issue was blown way out of proportion just because it was the big A.

    - iPhone X and Xs doesn’t have eye strain issues, it’s people with sensitive eyes receptive towards OLED screen. That’s got nothing to do with the device.

    - Again MacBook heating issue you mentioned, blown way out of proportion.

    - keyboard issues you mentioned is a personal preference of how far people like the keys to travel.

    - the X r is not out for the masses yet and commenting on light bleed is unfair.

    Bottom line is though, any mass produced item will have a certain percentage of defective pieces. Hopefully you don’t get one of them, and if you do then apple replaces without hassle or you get a refund.
     
  3. New_Mac_Smell macrumors 68000

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    But there's a new iPhone out each year, they're all first generation products.

    The XR issue you mentioned was the reason for a delay, not that they will have that specific issue.

    You have to remember how many of these things they make, any 'defect' is going to be a serious issue and blown all over the place. They make like 100 million phones a year or something stupid? At the general accepted failure rate is around 10%? So that's still 10 million iPhones to have an 'issue'. Apple tend to do very well with these things, and it's more like 2-5% failure rate, but again, still 2-5 million devices... If only they could produce 100% flawless without increasing the costs associated with manufacture.

    Anyway the problems you mentioned were mostly design flaws which I believe they corrected? I don't recall ever seeing a 90' iPhone 6 for instance.
     
  4. Absrnd macrumors 6502a

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    Thats all you could find for the X ?, come on, there are hundreds if not thousands of complain topics with "experienced" problems :)
     
  5. austyn23 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yes, but some of them are design issues...

    The keyboard in the 2016 MBP has a design issue, is not a "how people like keys to travel".

    That's right, design flaws I think they are.

    I just used the X for 10 minutes, gaves me eye strain and headache so I send it back without hesitation.
     
  6. Relentless Power, Oct 17, 2018
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    Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    I Could make the imposing argument thats nothing more than a conspiracy theory. I have purchased _dozens_ of ‘day one’ launch products from Apple and never had an issue, and many other forum members, including the millions of other Apple consumers who purchased launch day products and never experienced issues. You only hear about the most significant issues on a tech forum, because that’s a place for discussion for those sharing similar inconsistencies.
     
  7. yegon macrumors 68030

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    I'd argue the keyboard issue is the only real, serious design flaw of all those mentioned.

    Certainly at our place of work. 120 of 400 laptops had to be fixed once/multiple times. That is not a rounding error. Yes, this is purely anecdotal...but a heck of an anecdote :)

    The rest mentioned, bah, usual overblown hysteria. Figures, given the general state of media in the last decade.
     
  8. ApfelKuchen, Oct 17, 2018
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    If you expect to find a problem, you will find a problem. Some also expect those problems to have a particular cause ("greed," "sloppiness," "death of Steve," etc.) - if and when they find that expected problem, they are already sure of its cause.

    My mother used to say, "Some people are always looking for the hole in the doughnut." Others seek pleasure from their doughnuts and are happy to enjoy them for what they are. It's why some people manage 50 years of happiness with the same spouse, and others can't manage to last more than a few dates.

    Around here, this human tendency finds its way into accusations of "Hater" and "Fanboy." It may be neither. It may just be an expression of a person's overall outlook on life - half-empty vs. half-full.

    All products are refined over time. Every iPhone is an evolution from the previous. A flaw in the 7 may be fixed in the 7s, a flaw in the 7s may be fixed in the 8, and so on. Improvements can happen at any stage, as can unpopular changes. Apple has been using the "S" designation to identify the second year of a two-year cosmetic design cycle. Exterior appearance is identical or nearly identical, but internally there can be many changes. For marketing purposes, there's a benefit to bundling one or two marquee changes (eg. Face ID, OLED displays) with the biennial change to the cosmetic design language. However, regardless of year, the silicon and OS are constantly evolving. Display specs typically change annually, as do CPUs and cameras. If you tried to use an iPhone 7 display on an iPhone 7s, it wouldn't work. The changes might be subtle, but changes they are.

    I think Apple recognizes that there are marketing/customer acceptance advantages to keeping the same external appearance for more than one year. People more readily recognize the product when they see it. People also want new features and improvements every year. They deliver those as well.

    And to directly address the title of this thread, of course we're "test bunnies," if that's the way you want to view things. A manufacturer (or software developer, movie producer, musician...) can't be 100% sure of public acceptance until the public can experience it first-hand. They can dish out tried-and-true formulas, or take a risk of one sort or another. If they're good at what they do, they'll gauge the public's reaction and adjust their next product/production accordingly. If nothing ever changed, there would be no need for test bunnies. Since there's no such thing as perfection, the public is inevitably part of the process of striving for something that manages to come a bit closer to perfection.
     
  9. Shanghaichica macrumors G4

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    I think there are some issues with dust getting into the new MacBook keyboards and stopping some of the keys from working. I thought it was overblown but then even the likes of Rene Ritchie spoke about it and now apple have set up a replacement program.

    The others I agree on you with though.
     
  10. mrex macrumors 68040

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    There cant be dust under the keyboard in new laptops... i have had some ”sticky” keys from the beginning and now booking up the appointment for the keyboard replacement, finally - cant tolerate it anymore. Also the macbook pro kept popping sounds from time to time, not lately luckily so i quess the chassis is way too tight to let any heat expansion to occur. The popping sounds happened on everytime you started using the macbook (getting warmer) or put it away (getting colder). Firstly i thought it might be a battery swelling, but then i read that people has the same symptoms, so i was thinking the chassis is way too tight. Now after 1,5years the popping sound has disappeared so im quite sure the problem was with the chassis and nowadays it is loose enough to expand when the laptop get warmer. Anyway the keyboard needs to be replaced and get very sticky when laptop is warm.
     
  11. kasakka macrumors 68020

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    I feel Apple's first generation of a new design is always somehow flawed. In recent products the iPhone X had network speed issues and the new MBP keyboards are just a horrible design for both feel and reliability. I would not be surprised if a 2019 or 2020 redesign ditches it. Hell, I hope they do or I won't get a MBP for my next work machine.

    I would not be surprised if the iPhone XR has some annoyance that gets fixed with the "XRS" model next year and I fully expect the upcoming iPads to have some inconvenience that gets fixed later.
     
  12. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    So we are all to send our phones back because YOU got eye strain?
     
  13. austyn23 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yes, and the macbook pro with sticky keyboard and the toyota prius that accelerates himself

    When I have said that? It´s just my case and my opinion, you can do whatever you want with everything you own
     
  14. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    All people are different and Apple can not make them all happy.

    I love the "recorded" cell phone calls where their car all of a sudden speeds up and they can not stop it yet they can make a phone call instead of bumping the gear shift into "N" of hold the start button for three seconds to stop the engine.

    The keyboard in 2017 I will agree with you as even mine was repaired three times before I got a refund. My 2018 MBPro is working perfectly.
     
  15. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    That’s why the XR has bigger bezels. Everyone is perfectly aware that LCD screens are less bendable and need a backlighting layer. They’re also much cheaper with greatly reduced smugness. I’m not an Apple fanboy because I want to pay thousands of dollars for pixels I can’t even see. An edge-to-edge Liquid (Crystal) Retina display is an achievement and every innovation comes with new problems to solve. Nokia is still selling some dumbphones for people who don’t want to risk going with new technology.
     
  16. jimmy_uk macrumors 6502a

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    Just fixed that for you....
     
  17. akash.nu macrumors 604

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    It’s not specific to apple oled. The screen is made by Samsung.
     
  18. austyn23 thread starter macrumors regular

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    And AUDI is made by VW
     
  19. tromboneaholic Suspended

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    First generation eyes. Wait for the second generation to come out.
     
  20. austyn23 thread starter macrumors regular

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    hahaha I need "Eyes S", maybe next year!
     
  21. jimmy_uk macrumors 6502a

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    Not reading these complaints from users of other OLED android phones though. Apple designed and calibrated these particular displays.
     
  22. indychris macrumors 6502

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    I don't question that you and others have eye strain, but I find it hard to believe that such eye strain is specifically an iPhone model issue. I would likely have to be a problem with OLED screens overall or something similar.

    FWIW, I suffer from horrible, frequent migraines, but the screen on my former XS Max gave me no problems whatsoever.
     
  23. majkom macrumors 65816

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    It has nothing to do with oled, pwm is the source of pain and in this case, it is probably way apple implemented pwm
     
  24. jimmy_uk macrumors 6502a

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    Came across this, don't know if anyone can expand but it may well be the particular way Apple make and control their oled tech.
     
  25. AppleB macrumors 6502a

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    I have a 6 Plus sitting in drawer for 2 years it never bent. I use it as a glorified iPod. Runs iOS 12 pretty good.
     

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