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Is BitTorrent Ethical?

StinktOldC said:
just finished dloading Final Cut Studio, saved me £800.....OMFG Steve says I will burn in hell now!! :D
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Just make sure if you use it for commercial purposes, please pay for it. I really don't have a problem with downloading software to try out, but yeah, like what I just said.
 
me? commercial purposes? being a brain dead vegetable such as myself Ive more chance of locating a set of hens teeth! But as for the "try before you buy" bull...I dont know anyone who's downloaded a piece of perfectly working software then gone out and actually paid for it because they like it
 
Lacero said:
Just make sure if you use it for commercial purposes, please pay for it. I really don't have a problem with downloading software to try out, but yeah, like what I just said.
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Nice choice of avatar btw ;) tatu rock. mmmmmm.
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StinktOldC said:
me? commercial purposes? being a brain dead vegetable such as myself Ive more chance of locating a set of hens teeth! But as for the "try before you buy" bull...I dont know anyone who's downloaded a piece of perfectly working software then gone out and actually paid for it because they like it
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I have with shareware software and also downloaded trials and then went out and bought it even thou i could just as easily steal it or hack the trial
 
hookahco said:
Do you think this is a situation in which it would be right to use bittorrent? I deleted the file after viewing it.
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deleted the file after viewing it...fine enough...
 
I've been told that Adobe and various pro companies are not that bothered about students ripping off their high-end apps, as the students need to learn the app, and if they become skilled at it, they will demand to use it when they enter paid employment.

I have no idea if this is true or not. I'm sure Adobe etc come down VERY heavily on people using pirated copies for commerical work.

Adobe have addressed this issue somewhat with the release of Elements, but still, if you're learning the high end functions of Photoshop, it's a bit difficult to forkout for a full copy before you've had a chance to start earning money with it.

I have to say, I've used pirated versions of Word and Office before. Now I make some money by writing, and a company I work for has just purchased a full licence of Office for my use. A friend used to use pirated Dreamweaver, and the same company has just purchased a full Dreamweaver licence for him.

If he hadn't learnt his website skills on a pirated copy of Dreamweaver, I'm sure he would be asking us to purchase some different website creating sofware for him.

Cheers

.. RedTomato ..
 
RedTomato said:
Adobe have addressed this issue somewhat with the release of Elements, but still, if you're learning the high end functions of Photoshop, it's a bit difficult to forkout for a full copy before you've had a chance to start earning money with it.

I have to say, I've used pirated versions of Word and Office before. Now I make some money by writing, and a company I work for has just purchased a full licence of Office for my use. A friend used to use pirated Dreamweaver, and the same company has just purchased a full Dreamweaver licence for him.
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Adobe, Microsoft and (IIRC) Macromedia all release cheaper 'student' versions of their software in an effort to make it cheaper for students to learn. Arguably they should be cheaper as they're still pretty expensive for students to buy. Ironically Microsoft's student edition of office has probably the fairest pricing and still people like your good self pirate it. They can't win - it's very hard competing with free.
 
RedTomato said:
I've been told that Adobe and various pro companies are not that bothered about students ripping off their high-end apps, as the students need to learn the app, and if they become skilled at it, they will demand to use it when they enter paid employment.
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If that were so, then why would they have introduced product activation schemes much as Macromedia and Quark have done?

Regardless of product -- music, software movies etc.-- this is what piracy brings us or will eventually bring. Awkward and potentially intrusive digital rights management that affects the legitimate user.
 
caveman_uk said:
Ironically Microsoft's student edition of office has probably the fairest pricing and still people like your good self pirate it. They can't win - it's very hard competing with free.
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When I was learning how to write a good piece, student pricing wasn't available. Now as I said, I have a legally purchased copy, brought for me by the company I work with.

If I'd never learnt how to use Word, I wouldn't be asking for a legal copy.

cheers

.. RedTomato ..
 
I've BOUGHT more music because of P2P. If I like what I hear, I will go out and buy the real copy. Do I think it's right? No. But I'm just saying, they've made MORE money from me because of P2P.
 
How can the inventers, (sony, rca), of the recordable tape player, the dual tape deck, reel-to-reel, and the recordable vcr now come out and say copying media onto a computer is against the law. They started this many years ago, they should give up the fight. Don't these companies also make cd burners + dvd burners. What do they really expect people to do with it. The problem I see is the washed up bands that can't make it anymore are the ones cryin about it. Ever since the Black album Metallica has sucked. They need to spend more time creating music like what they did on the 'And Justice For ALL' album.
 
RedTomato said:
I've been told that Adobe and various pro companies are not that bothered about students ripping off their high-end apps, as the students need to learn the app, and if they become skilled at it, they will demand to use it when they enter paid employment.

I have no idea if this is true or not. I'm sure Adobe etc come down VERY heavily on people using pirated copies for commerical work.

Adobe have addressed this issue somewhat with the release of Elements, but still, if you're learning the high end functions of Photoshop, it's a bit difficult to forkout for a full copy before you've had a chance to start earning money with it.

I have to say, I've used pirated versions of Word and Office before. Now I make some money by writing, and a company I work for has just purchased a full licence of Office for my use. A friend used to use pirated Dreamweaver, and the same company has just purchased a full Dreamweaver licence for him.

If he hadn't learnt his website skills on a pirated copy of Dreamweaver, I'm sure he would be asking us to purchase some different website creating sofware for him.

Cheers

.. RedTomato ..
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I used to pirate copies of Photoshop/Macromedia Suite to toy with when I was learning how to build a website. And whenever I work with web design now, I'm only fully comfortable using Dreamweaver (unless if it's something quick that's notepad-able). After getting my camera, I only use Photoshop to mess with my pictures. I can't afford photoshop, though, and it looks like I'm going to be spending some quality time on the Dells in the computer lab when the free trial runs out... :(
 
RedTomato said:
I've been told that Adobe and various pro companies are not that bothered about students ripping off their high-end apps, as the students need to learn the app, and if they become skilled at it, they will demand to use it when they enter paid employment. ...
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alas, that's just another of the many justifications for "why it's OK to pirate software"

the fact is that Adobe's software is an industry standard, they dont need recent graduates "demanding" that their software be used......actually those students need to learn the software so that they'll have the job skills that will get them employment.....so they pirate the software and tell each other that it's ok cuz "Adobe needs them!" when in reality Adobe already owns the market
 
MongoTheGeek said:
a) But since you didn't watch it it wouldn't count towards ratings so it indirectly takes money out of the pockets of producers.
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In the uk raitings are only done with a sample of a few 1000 people who have a little box plugged into their tv to record the statistics, so as long as you aren't one of the few 1000 that are being used for ratings, downloading it via bit-torrent won't affect the ratings, no-one will lose any money.
 
i'd say 99% of the contents being uploaded or downloaded in BT are copyright items

it's just a tool for the pirates

i have seen so many PRC students using the university network to download BT stuffs on their notebooks while they simply log on to a university computer terminal nearby and surf the net

this is a sheer waste of resources
 
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