Is classilla dead?

[MagicBoy]

Yes. The Celeron and P4 are physically different chips put in physically different machines, and they're all architectures from the early 2000's, all somewhere around each other in terms of horsepower (perhaps minus the Celeron). Is there a problem?

From https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/good-old-newbie,review-468-2.html :

"This image shows both the new Celeron 1.7 (left) and the Pentium 4 Willamette (2 GHz). Both outside and inside, there is no real difference between these two processors. The new Celeron is nothing more than a Pentium 4 Willamette that has had half of its L2 cache removed. Everything else is pretty much the same:"

Same applies to Northwood, same applies to Prescott. If you're feeling that pedantic I'll happily back those up with respected sources too.

 

[sparty411]

...Except that up until Nehalem, Intel put the IME in the Northbridge of the motherboard. Not that it matters, this is a load of tinfoilhattery anyways.

On the 965 chipset and up, during the Core 2 era, yes. Prior to that, it didn't exist. Call it tin foil if you'd like, but Intel themselves acknowledge it's a potential security flaw. Guess that makes them crazy too.

 

[MagicBoy]

On the 965 chipset and up, during the Core 2 era, yes. Prior to that, it didn't exist. Call it tin foil if you'd like, but Intel themselves acknowledge it's a potential security flaw. Guess that makes them crazy too.

You need to be more specific. AMT or ME?

 

[z970]

I disagree. I still use Adobe CS3 which is 2007 vintage and I used it professionally til 2015, the reason being it worked extremely well on my hardware and the end result (web graphics, printed publications and packaging artwork) was indiscernable from that made with contemporary software.

I was only talking in the realm of early 2000's software being used on earlier processors not necessarily PowerPC, though that is wholly the fault of my communication for not getting across.

Late 2000's software, and Leopard, is still very modern. Mid 2000's can be a mixed bag. In more cases than not, I agree that they are able to still be very useful and talk with the rest of the world.

Apologies again for not being clear at all.

So you've used that solution on a DLSD?

The DLSD and Early 2005 12" both use the USB trackpad. The solution should work for both of them and everything in between. - After all, all you're doing is telling a specific driver to make sure to load on boot.

If you don't want to try, you don't have to.

Not that it matters, this is a load of tinfoilhattery anyways.

*Most* P4s can't run anything past Windows 7 as they lack NX support.

If onLy there was some way to browse the Internet oN an Updated browser and get things done with new productivity software on these older Pentium 4 boXes...

What a shame...

Is this factually correct? Or do you not accept the premise of the question?

Dear God, man. Fine. They're both the exact same chip and the grouping together was at worst factually inaccurate. They are both the exact same chip with one of them having parts removed to cut down on heat output. Maybe I don't deal with Celerons and P4s every day and was trying to build a point.

 

[Dronecatcher]

The DLSD and Early 2005 12" both use the USB trackpad. The solution should work for both of them and everything in between. - After all, all you're doing is telling a specific driver to make sure to load on boot.

If you don't want to try, you don't have to.

Just checking - no I'll give it a whirl next time I do a Linux install, that touchpad issue was enough to sink the experience, I was forced to use a USB mouse mostly.

 

[z970]

Just checking - no I'll give it a whirl next time I do a Linux install, that touchpad issue was enough to sink the experience, I was forced to use a USB mouse mostly.

Yeah, if I had to deal with a tracking issue like that with no way out, I'd only use OS X. On a portable machine, that breaks the experience and is not worth it.

 

[bunnspecial]

I don't think you, and some other people on this subforum I could name, belong anywhere near old computers if you demonstrate you're so willing to stamp them into the ground so soon the many times you have. So with that in mind, why are you here?

I don't think it's any of your business how any of us choose to use our computers, and frankly it's insulting that you would make assumptions that we're not using PPC Macs for anything other than nostalgia reasons.

I use mine a lot-just not online for the most part, and it's rather arrogant of you to dismiss a significant portion of the forum population because we choose not to use PPC Macs in the way that YOU have decreed that we should.

Perhaps we should adopt a new forum rule of "z970mp is the only one allowed to dictate appropriate use cases for PPC Macs. Others need not give counter examples." As it is now, this thread and frankly this forum in general seems to be nothing but your bully pulpit.

 

[MagicBoy]

I wasn't dignifying that personal attack with a response @bunnspecial. The rest of the post was comedy gold, so I choose not to report it.

 

[0248294]

I see a meme is used to supposedly rebuke my statement. Yeah, that's a definite great argument there. Once again, FUD about IME being spread is fun to see, especially if terrible memes are involved.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

And I'd advise you to keep in mind, this is the PowerPC Macs forum. Most people here are only here because they want to make the most of what they already have. Many people here are going to try and make it work until it's flat out ridiculous to even attempt, which rest assured is nowhere near this present time.

Yup. While many of this forum's users are keeping PPC Macs solely as collectible curiosities, some still use them on a daily basis as their primary/only computers.

Yes, at some point, most of those holdouts will move to newer computers as "daily use," making "daily usability" of PowerPC Macs of less concern, but there will be holdouts for a long time!

That said, I just spun up my Macintosh IIsi with a VideoSpigot card and Adobe Premiere 2.0 to play with. I think I'll make a video about it, recorded on an old analog camcorder, edited on the system itself, and post it to YouTube. ("Krazy Ken" did a video about Premiere 1.0 on a Macintosh IIci recently, but he made the actual YouTube-posted video on a modern system.)