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I don't know that iOS has gotten more complicated but that it has gotten less intutive. 3D touch really should have been more than it was. For the most part it only works with apple apps but could have been much more. I wish more people used air drop but most people will text or snapchat or etc them. I always wished for more of a flick to or bump phones and pictures would send but that never really happened. One thing I'm not looking forward as I mull to go to an xs max is the move of control center... which to most people wont be a big deal but for other primary left handed and myself this will be an annoyance... I'm kinda hoping that you can move the pull down to the left horn but haven't seen anyone mention it so I'm doubting it is there
 
My biggest gripe is the elderly. Many in my mom's nursing facility have iPads. Luckily one of the nurses is knowledgeable and willing to help them. When I visit I've been volunteered a time or two.
IMO Apple needs to "make simple" Settings.
My mom is in her mid-70s and she's been using an iPad and an iPhone for at least five years, maybe more. She's on iMessage and apparently my kids call and text her all the time.

My dad on the other hand, decided to check out on technology back in 1995 when TRW was letting old engineers go. He turned that into retirement and now unless it's really simple just doesn't bother.

But my dad is willingly refusing to embrace new learning. On a basic level I just have a problem with that.

Maybe it's just the teacher influence in me (mom was a teacher, wife and sister are teachers).
 
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Wow. If some people think iOS is getting too complicated, I'd like to see their reaction to Android if / when they try it...

Unless you have something extra added by an OEM, Android is pretty vanilla and controls are where you expect to find them. If a control is app specific it is usually in the app.
Maybe it isn't getting too complicated, a better word is perhaps: disorganized. Though as someone posted, "less intuitive" is definitely applicable.
 
My mom is in her mid-70s and she's been using an iPad and an iPhone for at least five years, maybe more. She's on iMessage and apparently my kids call and text her all the time.

My dad on the other hand, decided to check out on technology back in 1995 when TRW was letting old engineers go. He turned that into retirement and now unless it's really simple just doesn't bother.

But my dad is willingly refusing to embrace new learning. On a basic level I just have a problem with that.

Maybe it's just the teacher influence in me (mom was a teacher, wife and sister are teachers).
While some people can be incorrigible with new tech I believe Rhonindk isn't wrong with the idea of a make it easier function for older people.

I've got grandparents with iPhone's and tablets asking me to fix something that an aunt or uncle set up or a younger cousin moves. It would be nice to have some kind of iTunes extended family function in the same way you can control a child's iPad. Especially with how easy it is for older people to get phished being able to reset a password and push it to a grandmother's iphone who is hours away would be amazing.
 
While some people can be incorrigible with new tech I believe Rhonindk isn't wrong with the idea of a make it easier function for older people.

I've got grandparents with iPhone's and tablets asking me to fix something that an aunt or uncle set up or a younger cousin moves. It would be nice to have some kind of iTunes extended family function in the same way you can control a child's iPad. Especially with how easy it is for older people to get phished being able to reset a password and push it to a grandmother's iphone who is hours away would be amazing.
I just don't really agree with that.

The fact that they are old doesn't automatically follow that complex concepts or ideas can't be processed. I know several older people (one in his mid-80s) who deal with modern tech and complex processes on a daily basis.

I used to have a friend who is the same age as me and he's absolutely dumb as a rock when it comes to tech. But he knows he is, doesn't care that he is and actively tries to avoid using it. He'd rather be ignorant then have to learn a new idea.

That may be more prevalent in some people who are older, but I don't believe it's universal.
 
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I don't like all the settings buried in "general".... that is the least descriptive thing. it's like having a folder called 'misc.'.
Need major organization. I would say Android is more complicated. iOS is just needs more logical organization.
 
I just don't really agree with that.

The fact that they are old doesn't automatically follow that complex concepts or ideas can't be processed. I know several older people (one in his mid-80s) who deal with modern tech and complex processes on a daily basis.

I used to have a friend who is the same age as me and he's absolutely dumb as a rock when it comes to tech. But he knows he is, doesn't care that he is and actively tries to avoid using it. He'd rather be ignorant then have to learn a new idea.

That may be more prevalent in some people who are older, but I don't believe it's universal.

I don't think it is universal but you do have to look at how much has changed over the last 10-20 years and realize that not everyone can or want to sit on the cutting edge. One of my grandfathers helped me build a computer when I was younger and use to be very tech savvy. Now though he has a hard time keeping up cause so much is changing so quickly.

I fell as though this is falling off topic as this point. For what you were saying earlier though if someone is young and believes they don't need to have a basic understanding of tech... They are more than likely in for a rude awaking

Personally I think Apple needs to work on some more of their intuitive controls but that's because that's what I love about it
 
Settings needs an overhaul. Apple needs to decide if all app settings are in Settings or do they live inside the apps themselves. Not some in each section.

Files needs to allow creating folders and files as you please. We don’t need access to anything more, just to be able to open any compatible file from inside the user level file system in any app we please.

If they want to keep 3D Touch there needs to be some indication that it can be actually used. Now you have to try and hope it does something.
 
I don't think it is universal but you do have to look at how much has changed over the last 10-20 years and realize that not everyone can or want to sit on the cutting edge. One of my grandfathers helped me build a computer when I was younger and use to be very tech savvy. Now though he has a hard time keeping up cause so much is changing so quickly.

I fell as though this is falling off topic as this point. For what you were saying earlier though if someone is young and believes they don't need to have a basic understanding of tech... They are more than likely in for a rude awaking

Personally I think Apple needs to work on some more of their intuitive controls but that's because that's what I love about it
Again…I'm not asking anyone to be on the bleeding edge. I just believe that at a certain point, as simple as Apple can make it, some concepts are going to need to be understood no matter how old you are.

Grasping the general concept of what a computer does is not the same as knowing how to design a CPU or work in code. Getting the idea of how to navigate around an iPad is also not the same as designing the parts for it.

But if you're refusing to grasp concepts because you're rejecting certain things, then this is what I am speaking of.
 
Again…I'm not asking anyone to be on the bleeding edge. I just believe that at a certain point, as simple as Apple can make it, some concepts are going to need to be understood no matter how old you are.

Grasping the general concept of what a computer does is not the same as knowing how to design a CPU or work in code. Getting the idea of how to navigate around an iPad is also not the same as designing the parts for it.

But if you're refusing to grasp concepts because you're rejecting certain things, then this is what I am speaking of.
Honestly that is everything in life. How hard is it to learn the basic concepts of algebra, cooking, etc.? People will always shy away from subjects they don't understand and because people are different some will be more boastful about it than others. Personally I never cared to learn why Edgar Allen Poe wrote the way he did and told my teacher with the same fervor as some people do understanding the basics of a computer.
 
Honestly that is everything in life. How hard is it to learn the basic concepts of algebra, cooking, etc.? People will always shy away from subjects they don't understand and because people are different some will be more boastful about it than others. Personally I never cared to learn why Edgar Allen Poe wrote the way he did and told my teacher with the same fervor as some people do understanding the basics of a computer.
Well, having some obscure information regarding Edgar Allen Poe that doesn't really come up much, especially in just basic everyday things, is somewhat different than some computer/technology basics which are essentially everyday life type of things these days (at least certainly increasingly so as time goes on).
 
Well, having some obscure information regarding Edgar Allen Poe that doesn't really come up much, especially in just basic everyday things, is somewhat different than some computer/technology basics which are essentially everyday life type of things these days (at least certainly increasingly so as time goes on).
Agreed that's why I didn't care to much for it.

My basic point is still valid people shy away from things they don't like/understand be it basic tech or basic math, cooking, literature, etc.
 
Agreed that's why I didn't care to much for it.

My basic point is still valid people shy away from things they don't like/understand be it basic tech or basic math, cooking, literature, etc.
That is true.

But in a lot of situations, forced upon you or otherwise, if you want to get something accomplished then shying away from it isn't possible. You can either elect to fail and suffer the consequences or you can grit your teeth and go forward.

Knowing something about something doesn't mean you have to like it.
 
Agreed that's why I didn't care to much for it.

My basic point is still valid people shy away from things they don't like/understand be it basic tech or basic math, cooking, literature, etc.
That's certainly true, even common sense is basically anything but that.
 
I just don't really agree with that.

The fact that they are old doesn't automatically follow that complex concepts or ideas can't be processed. I know several older people (one in his mid-80s) who deal with modern tech and complex processes on a daily basis.

I used to have a friend who is the same age as me and he's absolutely dumb as a rock when it comes to tech. But he knows he is, doesn't care that he is and actively tries to avoid using it. He'd rather be ignorant then have to learn a new idea.

That may be more prevalent in some people who are older, but I don't believe it's universal.

Totally agree. It’s rank ageism. Plenary of old and elderly people are fully adept at using these technologies.
 
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There is a story in Walter Issacsons biography that lays out the start of ios and Steve's vision for simplicity to end users. Basically, Steve's philosophy was if it took more than 2-3 taps to get to a setting or to execute what you wanted on ios, then you would start to loose the simplicity of the device and the more complex to execute a function the more likely every day users would not use it.

Hmm, is this in an alternate universe where iOS settings are different? Every time I go to settings I get confused and lost. I'd rather see stuff that was just common sense like being able to search in spotlight for a setting, or go to that setting directly from the control panel.
 
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