Is iPad Pro a Laptop replacement?

[kevroc]

If we use only one, thats replacing. If it is used together with other devices, thats not replacing. Tim Cook says why buy a PC, so he says that as to replace the PC with an IPP, as you won't have a PC. Thats the topic for this type of thread

But the topic of the thread is moronic.

A less functional device can never replace a more functional device. That's pretty obvious...

If the topic of the thread were "does my computing needs require an iPad or a Laptop?" that would be more appropriate. Then it would come down to why spend over 1k on the iPP when most peoples computing needs could be accomplished with a cheap chromebook or windows pc.

Just because you can do something with something else, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...

It's like these other threads "is the iPad Pro a "Pro" device?" Seriously!? Is the Hammer a "Pro" device? Doesn't it depend on the person using it?

I realize that a lot of people commenting don't have anything better to do, that's fine. At least try to raise the bar a bit while you're here and leave the forum a better place then when you got here.

 

[tdale]

But the topic of the thread is moronic.

A less functional device can never replace a more functional device. That's pretty obvious...

If the topic of the thread were "does my computing needs require an iPad or a Laptop?" that would be more appropriate. Then it would come down to why spend over 1k on the iPP when most peoples computing needs could be accomplished with a cheap chromebook or windows pc.

Just because you can do something with something else, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...

It's like these other threads "is the iPad Pro a "Pro" device?" Seriously!? Is the Hammer a "Pro" device? Doesn't it depend on the person using it?

I realize that a lot of people commenting don't have anything better to do, that's fine. At least try to raise the bar a bit while you're here and leave the forum a better place then when you got here.

I agree. I take these threads as applying to the device. Is an IPP a laptop replacement. No, as it doesnt do everything a laptop does. If it applies to a user, then as you say it might be or might not be so it is a thread of no use. So I look at a useful thread applying to the device.

 

[ZombiePete]

To be a laptop replacement, it needs to be able to replace the laptop. Yeah, great phrase I know! What I mean is, it needs to be able to do everything a laptop can do.

Why do we have to accept your narrow definition of what a replacement is? So even though I've "replaced" my rMBP with my iPP as my travel computer, I can't say it replaced it because my laptop can do things that my iPP can't. That's silly.

Things can be replaced and repurposed. Just because I didn't throw my rMBP away doesn't mean that I didn't replace it.

 

[ZombiePete]

But the topic of the thread is moronic.

A less functional device can never replace a more functional device. That's pretty obvious....

This just isn't true, my friend. It all depends on what you were doing with the "more functional" device. Just because something can slice, dice, and julien doesn't mean it's always the right tool for every job; it all depends on what you actually need to accomplish the task. Everything has a give and take, and it's up to the individual to decide what device works for them.

Believe it or not, the iPP has replaced my laptop (notwithstanding @tdale's insistence that I have to burn my rMBP in order to truly be "replaced"). It may be less functional in the larger sense, but the reality is that it does everything I need from a laptop and then some. It's actually more functional for me than my rMBP was because of the Pencil; I'm actually using it more at work than I ever did my laptop.

We all need to stop trying to speak in generalities and tell other people what is or isn't right for them. You represent you, I'll represent me, and maybe then we can even meet in the middle.

 

[kevroc]

This just isn't true, my friend. It all depends on what you were doing with the "more functional" device. Just because something can slice, dice, and julien doesn't mean it's always the right tool for every job; it all depends on what you actually need to accomplish the task. Everything has a give and take, and it's up to the individual to decide what device works for them.

Believe it or not, the iPP has replaced my laptop (notwithstanding @tdale's insistence that I have to burn my rMBP in order to truly be "replaced"). It may be less functional in the larger sense, but the reality is that it does everything I need from a laptop and then some. It's actually more functional for me than my rMBP was because of the Pencil; I'm actually using it more at work than I ever did my laptop.

We all need to stop trying to speak in generalities and tell other people what is or isn't right for them. You represent you, I'll represent me, and maybe then we can even meet in the middle.

Actually, your point is my point

Is the iPP a laptop replacement? No.

A lot of people may use a laptop but only use minimal features of that laptop that could be replaced with an iPP. A lot of people that have a laptop, if all they did was email, could simply use an iPhone. You could very easily have a thread titled "Is the iPhone a laptop replacement?" And the answer could be yes for some people.

But in general, we know the iPad can't do some things a laptop can do, so "in general terms" it can't replace it.

What you find is that some people don't "need" a laptop, they only "need" an iPad.

It's not about what the device can do, it's about what you need it to do and whether that fits within the devices capability.

You are also correct when you say you're iPP does some things your Laptop can't do. One device isn't a subset of the other, they are actually very different devices that do some common things. If what you need falls within that commonality then either device will work, but a lot of people may find that they benefit from where the devices differ. Therein lies the conundrum...

 

[ZombiePete]

Actually, your point is my point

No, it's really not. The point you're making is that in a side-by-side comparison a traditional laptop and an iPad are two objectively different devices, and that's true. But determining whether or not a laptop could be replaced by a tablet (or a phone or a brick for that matter) is a completely and 100% subjective issue, and you cannot make an unqualified statement about it one way or the other.

 

[Night Spring]

Actually, your point is my point

Is the iPP a laptop replacement? No.

A lot of people may use a laptop but only use minimal features of that laptop that could be replaced with an iPP. A lot of people that have a laptop, if all they did was email, could simply use an iPhone. You could very easily have a thread titled "Is the iPhone a laptop replacement?" And the answer could be yes for some people.

But in general, we know the iPad can't do some things a laptop can do, so "in general terms" it can't replace it.

What you find is that some people don't "need" a laptop, they only "need" an iPad.

It's not about what the device can do, it's about what you need it to do and whether that fits within the devices capability.

You are also correct when you say you're iPP does some things your Laptop can't do. One device isn't a subset of the other, they are actually very different devices that do some common things. If what you need falls within that commonality then either device will work, but a lot of people may find that they benefit from where the devices differ. Therein lies the conundrum...

No, it's really not. The point you're making is that in a side-by-side comparison a traditional laptop and an iPad are two objectively different devices, and that's true. But determining whether or not a laptop could be replaced by a tablet (or a phone or a brick for that matter) is a completely and 100% subjective issue, and you cannot make an unqualified statement about it one way or the other.

At this point it seems to me that the two of you are saying the same thing but arguing semantics. You agree that for some people the iPad can be their only computer, but for many people, they still need a laptop and/or desktop. You just disagree whether the people who need only the iPad can be said to have "replaced" their laptop with the iPad.

 

[tdale]

Why do we have to accept your narrow definition of what a replacement is? So even though I've "replaced" my rMBP with my iPP as my travel computer, I can't say it replaced it because my laptop can do things that my iPP can't. That's silly.

Things can be replaced and repurposed. Just because I didn't throw my rMBP away doesn't mean that I didn't replace it.

Don't ask me me ask TC.

"For many" relates to your comment, and I'd say almost every iPad user.
"Why buy a PC" is total replacement.

I fully agree with your comment, we have "replaced" ever since the first phone had email. That replaced the PC. For that duration. As in your post.

Why buy a PC changed all that, its device replacement. made by TC, with the IPP, which is currently no more than a large iPad, or a large Air2 with a pencil. iOS9. Why these threads are now everywhere, is why? The IPP is stated as a wonderfulness device with these for many or why buy a PC statements, when in reality, the size head changed , plus a pencil, thats a wide gap in purported capability and hardware reality.

 

[tdale]

This just isn't true, my friend. It all depends on what you were doing with the "more functional" device. Just because something can slice, dice, and julien doesn't mean it's always the right tool for every job; it all depends on what you actually need to accomplish the task. Everything has a give and take, and it's up to the individual to decide what device works for them.

Believe it or not, the iPP has replaced my laptop (notwithstanding @tdale's insistence that I have to burn my rMBP in order to truly be "replaced"). It may be less functional in the larger sense, but the reality is that it does everything I need from a laptop and then some. It's actually more functional for me than my rMBP was because of the Pencil; I'm actually using it more at work than I ever did my laptop.

We all need to stop trying to speak in generalities and tell other people what is or isn't right for them. You represent you, I'll represent me, and maybe then we can even meet in the middle.

Umm, be fair. I didn't say that, TC said that. I am but the messenger. If you read my posts, you can see that I agree with you, in virtually everything you say. My stance is partial replacement has been here for many many years, its not relevant, hence why do we have these threads. the reason we do have these threads is what TC puts out there now that the IPP has arrived. Its like the 2015 Honda Accord Euro has been replaced by the 2016 pro version, but in actual usefulness, its not much different, just bigger

 

[tdale]

At this point it seems to me that the two of you are saying the same thing but arguing semantics. You agree that for some people the iPad can be their only computer, but for many people, they still need a laptop and/or desktop. You just disagree whether the people who need only the iPad can be said to have "replaced" their laptop with the iPad.

Yep.

Replacement of uses has been here for years and years and years. So why talk about it. Its always happened. These threads have appeared before the IPP, but minimally. Since IPP and TC;s comments, they have grown hugely. Its probably better to discuss what he said, as in fact all of us agree, as all of us here feel that an iPad can be used instead of a laptop for some, many or all tasks that we do, depending what we do.

 

[maxsix]

But the topic of the thread is moronic.

why?

 

[tdale]

why?

As the word replacement can either mean partial replacement, which the iPad is for everyone, i.e. I use it for this, and sometimes I use a laptop. Or it means full replacement, which means the iPad can do everything a laptop can do, so I got rid of my laptop.

 

[Zwhaler]

iMovie is cute, but no thanks.

 

[tdale]

iMovie is cute, but no thanks.

How does this add to the thread???

 

[maxsix]

As the word replacement can either mean partial replacement, which the iPad is for everyone, i.e. I use it for this, and sometimes I use a laptop. Or it means full replacement, which means the iPad can do everything a laptop can do, so I got rid of my laptop.

You've previously condemned the title of this thread
Labeling it "moronic"

Respectfully it's you ...You're acting the Moron.

If you don't like the thread title... But you're an educated dignified person the word moronic wouldn't even enter your mind.

You'd use an appropriate argument.

Instead you're condescending and irrelevant.

 

[gugy]

I finally played with one iPad Pro today and I love it. I am now strongly considering it but IMO there is no way can replace a laptop using iOS.
File hierarchy is a must and also ability to connect external devices.
Until it can do this I don't see how.

 

[Night Spring]

I think Tim Cook did get ahead of himself a bit with his "why buy a PC anymore" comment. But if we are splitting very fine hairs, he said why buy a (new) PC. He didn't say we could get rid of the ones we already have. And that's pretty much the way I feel right now. For the few remaining tasks that the iPad can't do, my existing desktops are fine. And every year, the number of things that can only be done on my PC keep decreasing. I think it's entirely possible I've already bought my last PC, but I just don't know it yet.

 

[kevroc]

No, it's really not. The point you're making is that in a side-by-side comparison a traditional laptop and an iPad are two objectively different devices, and that's true. But determining whether or not a laptop could be replaced by a tablet (or a phone or a brick for that matter) is a completely and 100% subjective issue, and you cannot make an unqualified statement about it one way or the other.

Exactly. Which is why the Thread Title, being an unqualified statement, doesn't make sense.

 

[BayouTiger]

Many of us have to deal with Windows via Fusion or Parallels (or Boot Camp) without that capability, its DOA for me.

 

[tdale]

You've previously condemned the title of this thread
Labeling it "moronic"

Respectfully it's you ...You're acting the Moron.

If you don't like the thread title... But you're an educated dignified person the word moronic wouldn't even enter your mind.

You'd use an appropriate argument.

Instead you're condescending and irrelevant.

Respectfully. Read the thread that was not my comment.

Edit: It was kevroc who said that, sorry kevroc!

 

[s2mikey]

I think Tim Cook did get ahead of himself a bit with his "why buy a PC anymore" comment. But if we are splitting very fine hairs, he said why buy a (new) PC. He didn't say we could get rid of the ones we already have. And that's pretty much the way I feel right now. For the few remaining tasks that the iPad can't do, my existing desktops are fine. And every year, the number of things that can only be done on my PC keep decreasing. I think it's entirely possible I've already bought my last PC, but I just don't know it yet.

I agree. He still shouldn't have said that but it's too late now. But, it would be tough to justify a high cost laptop or desktop at this point in the game. Maybe cheaper laptops and PCs make sense just to "have one around the house in case" type of thing. So, the new Arsenal for the homeowner or small business might be to have tablets for the daily grind stuff but have the trusty clunker in the den or back room for some heavy lifting when needed?

 

[sdz]

But the topic of the thread is moronic.

A less functional device can never replace a more functional device. That's pretty obvious...

If the topic of the thread were "does my computing needs require an iPad or a Laptop?" that would be more appropriate. Then it would come down to why spend over 1k on the iPP when most peoples computing needs could be accomplished with a cheap chromebook or windows pc.

Just because you can do something with something else, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...

It's like these other threads "is the iPad Pro a "Pro" device?" Seriously!? Is the Hammer a "Pro" device? Doesn't it depend on the person using it?

I realize that a lot of people commenting don't have anything better to do, that's fine. At least try to raise the bar a bit while you're here and leave the forum a better place then when you got here.

No. You can't even download your own applications onto it.
For example: No possibility to download torrent client to share content.

Then again: If you need to create content, you will be very frustrated with the iPad Pro because it has no keyboard.

For Example: I can write and design a Pages document 3-4 times faster than on an iPad because I have a precise trackpad and a precise keyboard on my Macbook.

 

[Night Spring]

No. You can't even download your own applications onto it.
For example: No possibility to download torrent client to share content.

Then again: If you need to create content, you will be very frustrated with the iPad Pro because it has no keyboard.

For Example: I can write and design a Pages document 3-4 times faster than on an iPad because I have a precise trackpad and a precise keyboard on my Macbook.

I believe the iPad is capable of running torrent apps, but Apple doesn't allow it to discourage piracy, and also because it would be a battery hog.

I just wrote a letter in Pages on the iPP that was urgently needed for my work. I paired an Apple Bluetooth keyboard to the iPP, and working on the document was almost exactly the same as working on it on my MBA. The only thing I missed was I was unable to use the desktop site of Google Translate, but that is more Google's fault than Apple's.

I don't do page layout, so I've never used a mouse with any word processing program. So I don't know how much not having a trackpad slows you down on the iPP. But for my work, iPP+keyboard is as fast as working on my MBA.

 

[sdz]

I believe the iPad is capable of running torrent apps, but Apple doesn't allow it to discourage piracy, and also because it would be a battery hog.

That should be my concern not Apple's.

I just wrote a letter in Pages on the iPP that was urgently needed for my work. I paired an Apple Bluetooth keyboard to the iPP, and working on the document was almost exactly the same as working on it on my MBA. The only thing I missed was I was unable to use the desktop site of Google Translate, but that is more Google's fault than Apple's.

An iPad Pro + Bluetooth Keyboard weights more than the Macbook 12". It is even more clunky. If you do spreadsheets or powerpoint / keynote presentations its even more complicated to arrange the objects without a precise input method (as a mouse or trackpad).

I don't do page layout, so I've never used a mouse with any word processing program. So I don't know how much not having a trackpad slows you down on the iPP. But for my work, iPP+keyboard is as fast as working on my MBA.

If you create keynote presentations and you have my objects and want to add text to them or change the text it takes much longer because you have to touch it with your finger then the keyboard pops up and then you are ready to go. If you want to switch to the next object you have to to some sort of double tap and do the same.

I mean the iPad is nice. I use it for changing content of already existing spreadsheets etc. Its more a device for consuming stuff you created on a true computer.

And I can't get over, that I am not able to use torrents on a 1000€ device.

 

[Zwhaler]

How does this add to the thread???

I'm a video editor. Therefore the iPad Pro is not a suitable option for me, because it has iMovie but nothing professional for video editing.