iPhone 11 is iPhone 11 series the most solid fone after the iPhone 6s series

The-Real-Deal82

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It is a great device but it was massively overshadowed by the X and many people who did but it, brought it because they couldn’t stretch the budget to the X.

It’s design in general whilst classic had really started to wear out it’s welcome. I mean even budget brands had started hopping in the bezeless bandwagon
Not necessarily. Many people bought it because they didn’t see the need to pay extra for the X, not because they couldn’t ‘stretch the budget’. I include myself in that too. That’s a common misconception that people don’t have the latest and greatest because they can’t afford it. A lot of people don’t see the need when a great phone that does the same thing can be had for £300 less.
 

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not when you think of the people holding up to their old 6s series because not much has change to 7, 8 and X (the new screen/look isnt enough reason upgrade), same with XS/XS max getting almost minor upgrade of features from the X series

making XR a huge hit because of the price, the 11 took it higher with even offering lower price and still getting the best features of the more expensive models (ultrawide angle, dolby atmos, deep fusion)
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thats their floppiest iPhone release after the 7 and quickly overshadowed by the X. it even got bigger price cut just to move its sales.
I disagree that the screen change from the 6/7/8 series to the X/XS/11/11 Pro wasn’t enough of a change to make people upgrade. The home button and therefore TouchID went with the introduction of the OLED screen on the X. Lots of people wanted the new technology (ie FaceID and OLED). People were also tired of the ugly bezels.
 
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I disagree that the screen change from the 6/7/8 series to the X/XS/11/11 Pro wasn’t enough of a change to make people upgrade. The home button and therefore TouchID went with the introduction of the OLED screen on the X. Lots of people wanted the new technology (ie FaceID and OLED).
A lot of people weren’t bothered in equal measure though. Still lots of classic shaped iPhones in use which is testament to how good iPhones have gotten not for people to feel the need to upgrade every couple of years. People like yourself look at the finer details and feel compelled to upgrade for the latest technology but I can’t say you are a common consumer when the smartphone industry has been flat for the past 4 years.
 

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A lot of people weren’t bothered in equal measure though. Still lots of classic shaped iPhones in use which is testament to how good iPhones have gotten not for people to feel the need to upgrade every couple of years. People like yourself look at the finer details and feel compelled to upgrade for the latest technology but I can’t say you are a common consumer when the smartphone industry has been flat for the past 4 years.
Um, I actually bought the 8 on launch day, not the X. I’m just pointing out that many people wanted the new form factor that the X introduced.
 
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Um, I actually bought the 8 on launch day, not the X. I’m just pointing out that many people wanted the new form factor that the X introduced.
Many did, many didn’t. I didn’t see an X in the wild until February 2018 which goes to show it wasn’t popular in my part of the developed world. The iPhone 8 was a common business phone due to its lower price and identical performance to the X which meant they were more common to see in my experience.
 
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The 6s was NOT the first iPhone with a 64 bit chip. The A9 in the 6s was the third generation 64 bit CPU after the A8 in the 6 series and the A7 in the iPhone 5s.
You are obviously right and i have no idea how i didn't see that mistake while reading OP's yesterday.
 

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it was during the iPhone 6s series that made the iPhone the king of smartphones

it was during the iPhone 6s series that introduced:

1. bigger screens (it was the 6 but the 6s were more reliable in durability)
2. better (longlasting for the 6s plus, also same with the 6 series, 6s were more reliable) battery life
3. double sized ram
4. more than twice megapixel size jump
5. first 64 bit chip iphone
6. 3d touch

this fone not only repaired the problems of the past iPhones, but it was revolutionary for a phone to pack all those features or upgrades in a single release.

in fact the iPhone 6s series together is the oldest fone you can recommend someone to use and is still snappy and fluid

after the 6s, understandable since that fone is iPhones biggest upgrade in terms of reliability and performance, had kind of went downhill. The rehash design from 7 to 8, removal of headphone jack, and that almost $1000 iPhone X, slowed the upward climb. Competition got stronger, the lack of big upgrades while keeping the price much more expensive turned off customer.

But, the XR, was a huge hit, offering flagship and solid features with a lower price.

The iPhone 11 even got a lesser price than the least expensive iPhone XR, and now not even them were expecting that the base iPhone 11 is selling faster than they forecasted to be

is iPhone 11 the most important and biggest upgrade in iPhone launch history ever?
The first 64 bits smartphone was the iPhone 5S, years before.
By the way, iPhone 6S was indeed a solid product. Is the iPhone 11 lineup even better? I don’t know... maybe it is.
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iPhone 8 series are the king of the hill
I wouldn’t say that... a good product, but only 2 gb of ram and a small battery... only the iPhone 8 was a great product.
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So? They (iPhone 8 series) were and still are solid phones, i also have one. I jumped from the 6s to the 8 Plus last year and it was an amazing upgrade. Yes, the 8 series was overshadowed by the X, but you could say the same thing about the 6 and 6s when they were released. 6 and 6 Plus sold 220 million units combined, 6s and 6s Plus 13 million. 6 and 6s basically looked identical, so did 7 and 8. They all had similar designs from 2014 - 2017, until the X changed that.

That doesn't indicate that the 6s was a bad phone, the 6s was an amazing iPhone for the time and the 6 done right.
iPhone 6S and 6S Plus sold 13 millions combined ? In which parallel universe ? 🤔
 
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Aydy

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I disagree that the screen change from the 6/7/8 series to the X/XS/11/11 Pro wasn’t enough of a change to make people upgrade. The home button and therefore TouchID went with the introduction of the OLED screen on the X. Lots of people wanted the new technology (ie FaceID and OLED). People were also tired of the ugly bezels.
I agree. Bezelled iPhones are without a doubt still superb devices but I think people are choosing to ignore that the removal of the home button and the subsequent impact that had for display real estate , the move to FaceID, apple’s 1st oled induction etc is arguably the most significant upgrade iPhone has ever seen.

That X event was also the most anticipated event Apple has held to date and tech media followed suit, spending the entirety of the following year gushing with praise for the 10 series.

To suggest the introduction of X a minor upgrade Is ‘with respect’ a laughable attempt to downplay the obvious. The single biggest upgrade iPhone has seen, to date. It may perform as any other iPhone past/present BUT we can’t deny it was literally Apple’s game changer. It literally signified a whole new beginning for iPhone, in terms of apples design language going forward
 
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The proof is in the pudding. There's a reason iPhone Xs (Max) and series 4 were discontinued.

I think that tells you all you need to know.
 

Aydy

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The proof is in the pudding. There's a reason iPhone Xs (Max) and series 4 were discontinued.

I think that tells you all you need to know.
They were only discontinued to sell the 11 series tbf. Other than the back camera array & higher capacity battery they are practically the same device. If apple continued to sell the Xs/max at lower cost than 11 series, it’s natural to assume sales of the 11 would suffer as a result..simple really.
 

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I think the iphone 11 is the year a lot of moving pieces finally came together and it shows.

First, the iPhone 11 was priced at a much more reasonable price of $700 and it feels like way more value for money, partly thanks to the improved cameras. It certainly seems like Apple learnt from their lessons trying to sell the Xr last year.

The naming convention (11 vs Xr) also makes the iphone 11 seem a lot more like a premium model that holds its own against the pro models, and not a budget / neutered option.

Second, the iphone 11 is what allows Apple to sell the pro models at the prices that they do, since no matter how expensive they may get, consumers still have the cheaper iPhone 11 to come home to.

The iphone 11 models also got a lot right. It got rid of 3D Touch (which not many people use) in exchange for better cameras and longer battery life, which benefit just about everyone. I also find it amusing that Apple would further double down on battery life with the smart battery case, while the Pixel 4 actually got a smaller battery (and rightfully got castigated for it).

People wondered how Apple would continue to sell iPhones in a saturated smartphone market and thought they would have to lower prices. I guess the iphone 11 series is Apple showing that you can indeed teach an old dog new tricks.
 

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The 11 is a great phone. Realistically, I’m glad Apple doesn’t just offer the ‘Pro’ model only in two sizes with a 5.8/6.5, the iPhone 11 still represents a demographic with a phone that’s more affordable, but yet still includes a lot of the features that the 11 Pro has. The main reason somebody would upgrade at 11 Pro is simply due to the ‘triple lens camera’ system, otherwise I personally think the 11 is the better value for what it’s offering.
 

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The main reason somebody would upgrade at 11 Pro is simply due to the ‘triple lens camera’ system, otherwise I personally think the 11 is the better value for what it’s offering.
For me, the 11 Pro was my choice due to size. I prefer a smaller device and the 11 is too large for me. I think size is also a factor along with the camera system
 

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The camera is excellent on the iPhone 11 too but understand it’s a bigger phone then a the 11 Pro. I think I could put up with a few extra millimetres on the size of the phone not to pay £300 more though! That three lens camera system is nice but I think I can continue to cope with a double lens for a couple of years longer lol.
 

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iPhone 8 is the last Qualcomm iPhone that makes different for signal strength. I had been using intel 7 X XR XS max 11, I admit the Qualcomm iPhone 8 is more reliable in my area(weak signal).
 
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The best from that series (ie: 6, 6S, 6SS and 6SSS) is clearly the iPhone 6, and then to a lesser extent the 6SS (7).

The iPhone 6 was the most groundbreaking as it had an all new form factor and design. Meanwhile the 6S was exactly the same, the only difference being a feature which is now deprecated. That and a few very minor spec bumps that nobody cares about. But people seem to bum the 6S on here, it’s like it’s actually sacred or something

The 6SSS (8) meanwhile is an end of line and end of life product, which was totally dead on arrival back in 2017. It was dated, old and overshadowed by the X and later the XR. Why you wouldn’t pony up a bit more for something more modern when you’re already paying a lot of money anyway (looking at you especially 6SSS plus) is beyond me
 

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it was during the iPhone 6s series that made the iPhone the king of smartphones

it was during the iPhone 6s series that introduced:

1. bigger screens (it was the 6 but the 6s were more reliable in durability)
2. better (longlasting for the 6s plus, also same with the 6 series, 6s were more reliable) battery life
3. double sized ram
4. more than twice megapixel size jump
5. first 64 bit chip iphone
6. 3d touch

launch history ever?


6s was a very sensible purchase because of the 2gb ram.
Most of the things you mentioned were introduced by other iPhones.
Size and battery with 6 and 6+, 64bit with 5s, 3d touch not really considered a killer feature by most.
Still I agree on 6s being one of the most focused upgrades ever. Waaaaaaay better than the overhyped 6.
 

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it was during the iPhone 6s series that made the iPhone the king of smartphones

it was during the iPhone 6s series that introduced:

4. more than twice megapixel size jump
5. first 64 bit chip iphone

12MP isn’t twice 8MP and the 5S was the first 64 bit smartphone. But I get the point. Huge improvements over the 6.
 

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it was during the iPhone 6s series that made the iPhone the king of smartphones

it was during the iPhone 6s series that introduced:

1. bigger screens (it was the 6 but the 6s were more reliable in durability)
2. better (longlasting for the 6s plus, also same with the 6 series, 6s were more reliable) battery life
3. double sized ram
4. more than twice megapixel size jump
5. first 64 bit chip iphone
6. 3d touch

this fone not only repaired the problems of the past iPhones, but it was revolutionary for a phone to pack all those features or upgrades in a single release.

in fact the iPhone 6s series together is the oldest fone you can recommend someone to use and is still snappy and fluid

after the 6s, understandable since that fone is iPhones biggest upgrade in terms of reliability and performance, had kind of went downhill. The rehash design from 7 to 8, removal of headphone jack, and that almost $1000 iPhone X, slowed the upward climb. Competition got stronger, the lack of big upgrades while keeping the price much more expensive turned off customer.

But, the XR, was a huge hit, offering flagship and solid features with a lower price.

The iPhone 11 even got a lesser price than the least expensive iPhone XR, and now not even them were expecting that the base iPhone 11 is selling faster than they forecasted to be

is iPhone 11 the most important and biggest upgrade in iPhone launch history ever?
I agree. Longevity wise the 6S was a beast which included a turbocharged A9 (the A8 was severely under-powered) and 2GB standard RAM (1GB on the 6 was severely handicapped).

I think the iPhone 11 Pro would be considered the next best longevity model (even though I myself am using the X today) because it introduced major camera tech (wide-angle and night mode), major battery life, increased RAM to 4GB, and 50% increased graphics performance with the A13 (the days of doubling performance are over but still a very solid increase compared to the A11 and A12).
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I think it was last year's Xs that is the reliable version of the X (as 6s was the one for 6).
11 (Pro) is like the iPhone 7 - new camera specs on front and back, new design (besides a new color), alongside with improved battery (actually, much improved), display, speakers and etc.

Quick answer: Yes. The iPhone 11 series is the next most solid iPhone after Xs (both are great).
IMO the XS was a waste of an upgrade. Even worse than a 6S to 7 upgrade. Barely any performance gain and slightly more powerful than a X. The 4GB RAM was nice but I think the only reason to even consider a XS at the time was because you wanted a Max size phone.
 

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I agree. Longevity wise the 6S was a beast which included a turbocharged A9 (the A8 was severely under-powered) and 2GB standard RAM (1GB on the 6 was severely handicapped).

I think the iPhone 11 Pro would be considered the next best longevity model (even though I myself am using the X today) because it introduced major camera tech (wide-angle and night mode), major battery life, increased RAM to 4GB, and 50% increased graphics performance with the A13 (the days of doubling performance are over but still a very solid increase compared to the A11 and A12).
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IMO the XS was a waste of an upgrade. Even worse than a 6S to 7 upgrade. Barely any performance gain and slightly more powerful than a X. The 4GB RAM was nice but I think the only reason to even consider a XS at the time was because you wanted a Max size phone.
What about Dual Sim!? Been rocking it for a year now. Xs Max is the last phone with 3D Touch as well. Again, it was discontinued for a reason.
 

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...IMO the XS was a waste of an upgrade. Even worse than a 6S to 7 upgrade. Barely any performance gain and slightly more powerful than a X. The 4GB RAM was nice but I think the only reason to even consider a XS at the time was because you wanted a Max size phone.
IMO, the Xs is to the x as the 6s was to the 6. Just like the 6s everything was updated.