Is It Possible?

[tyusrex]

Apple did support FireWire/TB2 once - maybe not to the extent as USB-C, but they were not universally seen as the future perhaps as USB-C is currently.

The notch does provide some functionality, even if you don’t like it - it displays informations which otherwise would have just been a black bar. Again it’s part of their vision of maximum screen to body ratio.

As for the headphone socket, the removal is really (imo) promoting their wireless vision.

I don’t agree with Apple on everything, what I mean is that are happy to make changes even if it inconveniences users if it supports their “vision”.

USB-C is not "universally seen" as the future. That's just adspeak regurgitation.

 

[Ma2k5]

USB-C is not "universally seen" as the future. That's just adspeak regurgitation.

Is any company or industry pushing an alternative?

 

[tyusrex]

Is any company or industry pushing an alternative?

So you admit that you pulled the bogus "universally seen" claim out of your rear end. No point discussing further.

 

[Ma2k5]

So you admit that you pulled the bogus "universally seen" claim out of your rear end. No point discussing further.

Jesus, didn’t think the lack of ports could turn someone into an ass, but here we are .

 

[tyusrex]

Jesus, didn’t think the lack of ports could turn someone into an ass, but here we are .

So, stop trying to pull random pseudo-facts out of your buttocks and you won't get called out for it. Fair? Say yes.....

 

[leman]

Firewire was superior to usb-a. Thunderbolt 2 was superior to usb-a. How many people use either? Not very many. Does apple support either? No.

Your stubbornness blinds you and your arguments start losing any rationality to them. Firewire/TB2 were premium data transfer protocols. Created for a niche use — affordable high speed connectivity for pros. And that was exactly what they were used for, quite successfully. They fulfilled a function that USB could not — because USB lacked speed. And they were retired because the status quo has changed.

USB-C is not "universally seen" as the future. That's just adspeak regurgitation.

USB-C is an industry standard interface and connector, designed in collaboration by all the major computer companies and managed by the USB consortium. You know, the group that is responsible for the USB standard. To make it simple, USB-A, USB-B and all other USB connectors are end of life. They are not receiving any updates. They will forever be stuck where they are now. USB-C is the connector that is designed to supersede them. Already that is the reason why USB-C is the future. Its not just an "some gimmicky port by some company who tries to put some nonsense on the users". It is the USB-port. Any future updates to USB standard will rely on USB-C (its designed to be forward-thinking, just as USB-A was back in the day). And it is the port that also supports on-the-fly reconfiguration to support plater of other protocols, such as DisplayPort, HDMI, Thunderbolt3 (which basically includes PCI-express) and potentially anything else.

And contrary to what you say, every major laptop manufacturer is embracing USB-C. As mentioned before, there are hundreds USB-C equipped laptops on the market. The adoption is slow, for obvious reasons, but the companies have agreed on the standard and there is nothing stopping it. As old equipment is breaking down or being replaced, the number of USB-C devices and peripherals will steadily increase. In not too far future, you'll need a dongle to connect your devices to the USB-A port.

Bottomline: I have no gripes with you complaining that USB-C is not comfortable for you right now. There is certainly truth to that. Transition periods are annoying, especially to people who just want to be left alone and do their stuff. But arguing agains basic facts doesn't make any sense.

 

[Ma2k5]

So, stop trying to pull random pseudo-facts out of your buttocks and you won't get called out for it. Fair? Say yes.....

If being pedantic makes you happy and only every company saying “Yes USB-C is the future” would, for you define it as that, then you keep hoping for a return of USB-A on the back of that.

Some people rather prefer to take a realistic approach and look at the alternatives that exist (none) - and the direction that’s products around the world are taking.
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Your stubbornness blinds you and your arguments start losing any rationality to them. Firewire/TB2 were premium data transfer protocols. Created for a niche use — affordable high speed connectivity for pros. And that was exactly what they were used for, quite successfully. They fulfilled a function that USB could not — because USB lacked speed. And they were retired because the status quo has changed.

USB-C is an industry standard interface and connector, designed in collaboration by all the major computer companies and managed by the USB consortium. You know, the group that is responsible for the USB standard. To make it simple, USB-A, USB-B and all other USB connectors are end of life. They are not receiving any updates. They will forever be stuck where they are now. USB-C is the connector that is designed to supersede them. Already that is the reason why USB-C is the future. Its not just an "some gimmicky port by some company who tries to put some nonsense on the users". It is the USB-port. Any future updates to USB standard will rely on USB-C (its designed to be forward-thinking, just as USB-A was back in the day). And it is the port that also supports on-the-fly reconfiguration to support plater of other protocols, such as DisplayPort, HDMI, Thunderbolt3 (which basically includes PCI-express) and potentially anything else.

And contrary to what you say, every major laptop manufacturer is embracing USB-C. As mentioned before, there are hundreds USB-C equipped laptops on the market. The adoption is slow, for obvious reasons, but the companies have agreed on the standard and there is nothing stopping it. As old equipment is breaking down or being replaced, the number of USB-C devices and peripherals will steadily increase. In not too far future, you'll need a dongle to connect your devices to the USB-A port.

Bottomline: I have no gripes with you complaining that USB-C is not comfortable for you right now. There is certainly truth to that. Transition periods are annoying, especially to people who just want to be left alone and do their stuff. But arguing agains basic facts doesn't make any sense.

Not sure you got the right person - I believe that everyone is adopting USB-C? My whole argument is in favour of why Apple decided to go all out USB-C. I am not complaining about USB-C at all.

 

[leman]

Not sure you got the right person - I believe that everyone is adopting USB-C? My whole argument is in favour of why Apple decided to go all out USB-C. I am not complaining about USB-C at all.

Silly me — I completely misread that one. I was sure that I was commenting on tyusrex's post. Thats what you get for posting when super tired...

 

[BayouTiger]

This thread has spiraled out of control as the Op seems to be convinced in his mind that USB-C is only a fad created by Apple to wrangle dongle money from users. He seems unwilling to even consider otherwise despite the facts.

So I will get back to the original question, Is it possible to make a laptop as thin as the current MacBook Pros with a USB-A connector. I think that answer is no with the case thickness as Apple is currently doing, however it does not take a lot more thickness to add one as is evidenced by machines like the X1C or XPS. I have owned all of these and I will take the 4 TB3 ports all day over any other option.

 

[tyusrex]

LOL, the term "usb is the future" is completely worthless. All that matters is whether those ports help you in any tangible way RIGHT NOW compared to your current connectivity options.

I put zero weight in hypotheticals esp if the same tired adspeak is trotted out every two years along with a grip of dongles for the same usb-a peripherals you've been using for years which still work perfectly well.

Every cigarette maker says smoking is good for you. Do you believe it? Only if you are dumb.

If Apple says usb-c is "the future" and you actually think this helps you when you actually buy the computer and have to use it TODAY, that makes a buyer rather dumb.

So usb-c drives and keyboards are available at 3X their current price 4 years from now. That doesn't help me much over the next 4 years, does it now?

Try to think using logic and common sense, not based off of the apple brainwashing.

Nod. Say yes.

If being pedantic makes you happy and only every company saying “Yes USB-C is the future” would, for you define it as that, then you keep hoping for a return of USB-A on the back of that.

Some people rather prefer to take a realistic approach and look at the alternatives that exist (none) - and the direction that’s products around the world are taking.
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Not sure you got the right person - I believe that everyone is adopting USB-C? My whole argument is in favour of why Apple decided to go all out USB-C. I am not complaining about USB-C at all.

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This thread has spiraled out of control as the Op seems to be convinced in his mind that USB-C is only a fad created by Apple to wrangle dongle money from users. He seems unwilling to even consider otherwise despite the facts.

So I will get back to the original question, Is it possible to make a laptop as thin as the current MacBook Pros with a USB-A connector. I think that answer is no with the case thickness as Apple is currently doing, however it does not take a lot more thickness to add one as is evidenced by machines like the X1C or XPS. I have owned all of these and I will take the 4 TB3 ports all day over any other option.

Uh, no, I never said or wrote it's a conspiracy theory to get you to buy dongles. Then again, that was probably a key factor for eliminating the headphone port in the iPhones.

A lot larger profit margin on $200 AirPods vs $20 EarPods, eh?

Nice to know you can claim "facts" without citing any.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
This thread is degenerating into arguing and bickering - closing.