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Yeah right. You'll see Skylake M processors mid-2016. Slight performance boosts plus 1 more hour of battery life for like $200 less than this year.

What keyboard problems? I have none.

True, but methinks the RMB won't be updated for several years. The big reasons are:

1. The RMB is a niche product, it's for a small segment of the notebook population that wants to overpay for underpowered performance in a super sleek form factor. Specialized products like this have a long lifespan, they aren't changed frequently because the ROI simply isn't there. This isn't an iPhone which gets overhauled every 24 months and tweaked every 12. This isn't even an iPad which gets overhauled every 3-4 years. It sells at a far lower rate than both of those products.

2. The RMB is still best-in-class for what it excels at. And with no reasonable competition in the space, Apple has no incentive to change it at all.

3. If Apple makes the RMB superior or equal to the Air then they have a whole heap of problems on their hands. First, they'd have to add multiple screen sizes to the RMB and make an entire line out of it. Next, it would mean the discontinuance of the Air. The end result would be that their most popularly-priced notebook would be 20-30% more expensive without a bunch of ports that corporations require and limited SSD capacity without anything else beneath it in the food chain. It's financial suicide.

Look for the Air to get the Skylake upgrade because it's a performance enhancement for a budget workplace machine. Look for the Air to not get a Retina display because that's a premium enhancement and the Air is not one of the premium machines. Look for the RMB to remain unchanged until 2017. That's what a businessman would say. And Apple is a business. A very big one.

BJ
 
Yeah right. You'll see Skylake M processors mid-2016. Slight performance boosts plus 1 more hour of battery life for like $200 less than this year.

Could you be more wrong? Neither of these things mean anything to a RMB owner.

We already get 8-10 hours of battery life which is more than sufficient for an international flight and a day of board meetings, we're not up burning the midnight oil as we have subordinates to handle that. And $200 doesn't even buy a nice dinner these days, that's a tip for a round of golf at the country club.

This is Apple, folks. Major luxury brand. And it's their most upscale consumer product. It won't be updated with insignificant tweaks and it won't be cost reduced. Its target consumers aren't struggling college students.

BJ
 
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Could you be more wrong? Neither of these things mean anything to a RMB owner.

We already get 8-10 hours of battery life which is more than sufficient for an international flight and a day of board meetings, we're not up burning the midnight oil as we have subordinates to handle that. And $200 doesn't even buy a nice dinner these days, that's a tip for a round of golf at the country club.

This is Apple, folks. Major luxury brand. And it's their most upscale consumer product. It won't be updated with insignificant tweaks and it won't be cost reduced. Its target consumers aren't struggling college students.

BJ


thank you james. this has been the most entertaining thing i've read in a few days.
 
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thank you james. this has been the most entertaining thing i've read in a few days.

Thank you. Sometimes, the record needs to be set straight. Not every Apple product is designed for mass consumption and not every pauper can drive a Bentley. That's not meant to be condescending; that's just meant to be honest.

BJ
 
I'm gonna wait for next year I think, the 5300 just isn't good enough, but the Skylake GPU is pretty great and that Laptop would suit all my needs, where this years doesn't.

Everything is perfect from this years, it's just that GPU that needs the upgrade since I do like to play games from time to time. The new one can play pretty much anything at 30FPS... so that's great, where the one currently cannot even run most things.

I just hope they keep the same form factor, I don't need ports or anything like that, an SD slot would be nice though.
 
Thank you. Sometimes, the record needs to be set straight. Not every Apple product is designed for mass consumption and not every pauper can drive a Bentley. That's not meant to be condescending; that's just meant to be honest.

BJ

Well we'll find out when the rMB is updated. I suspect a price drop and processor update. What they do ports wise who knows.
 
Thank you. Sometimes, the record needs to be set straight. Not every Apple product is designed for mass consumption and not every pauper can drive a Bentley. That's not meant to be condescending; that's just meant to be honest.

BJ
Bolt James, I sincerely do not agree with one single word that you've uttered on this thread! Absolute rubbish.
 
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BoltJames, you were entertaining in the other thread but reality is that - if we have a similar configuration (RAM, HDD) of MacBook Air 13", MacBook, and MacBookPro 13", the Air will be the least expensive, exactly as expensive is the MacBook , followed by the Pro which is in turn $200 more expensive than the rmb. if they Introduced a 4/128 model rmb it would be ~$300 cheaper and therefore more affordable. Right now such configuration does not exist because it would eat up the sales of the Air.
One must be blind to dismiss the fact that Apple is going all retina screens on their devices. So long as the MacBook air is on the market, we won't see less expensive configuration of rmb. All retina displayss is a marketing decision which will differentiate Apple as a premium brand from the others.
 
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To back up my previous post:
13" MacBook Air 8/256 $1300
12" Retina MacBook 8/256 $1300
13" MacBook Pro 8/256 $1500

These figures have been taken directly from Apple's website. The retina MacBook is not a premium product.
 
If the update is in the Spring I'll get one now, but I keep seeing rumours about the Air and Macbook pro updates coming soon.... I know they're not this version but do we know if there is definitely not going to be an update this year for the Macbook?

Thanx.

Probably in the coming months. Don't be caught with a gen 1 Macbook as its value will plummet due to the hardware design issues.
 
Could you be more wrong? Neither of these things mean anything to a RMB owner.

We already get 8-10 hours of battery life which is more than sufficient for an international flight and a day of board meetings, we're not up burning the midnight oil as we have subordinates to handle that. And $200 doesn't even buy a nice dinner these days, that's a tip for a round of golf at the country club.

This is Apple, folks. Major luxury brand. And it's their most upscale consumer product. It won't be updated with insignificant tweaks and it won't be cost reduced. Its target consumers aren't struggling college students.

BJ

I wasn't contesting the need for an update or the reasoning, only stating the most likely scenario based on history. The comparison of cars to computers is trite and the idea that the rMB is somehow different than the MBA is fantasy. Apple is expected to update internals annually as they continuously demonstrate with phones, OS's, ipads, and intel's (when chip delays don't prevent it). Whatevs BJ boy.
 
Buy it, life is too short to be waiting for the next refresh.

As with most technology products, there's always an imminent upgrade down the road, but wouldn't you rather be enjoying it now instead of waiting for who knows how long until Apple decides to upgrade it?

The question is, do you really need it? If you do, then by all means get it now, it'll be the best laptop you'll ever have - so light, fast, and able to handle anything a normal person not in the hardcore gaming or video production industry will throw at it.

I bought mine (rMB 1.3 Ghz) a couple of weeks ago and I've been very happy with it. I even use it more at home than my current desktop which is a hardcore gaming machine with an nVidia GTX 980.

I recommend you read these blog posts that describe what this beautiful machine is capable of:

http://alexvking.com/OS_X_El_Capitan_Impressions.html
http://alexvking.com/12_inch_macbook_and_windows_10.html
http://alexvking.com/macbook_the_extended_review.html
http://alexvking.com/in_defense_of_the_new_macbook_and_intel_core_m.html
 
Buy it, life is too short to be waiting for the next refresh.

As with most technology products, there's always an imminent upgrade down the road, but wouldn't you rather be enjoying it now instead of waiting for who knows how long until Apple decides to upgrade it?

The question is, do you really need it? If you do, then by all means get it now, it'll be the best laptop you'll ever have - so light, fast, and able to handle anything a normal person not in the hardcore gaming or video production industry will throw at it.

I bought mine (rMB 1.3 Ghz) a couple of weeks ago and I've been very happy with it. I even use it more at home than my current desktop which is a hardcore gaming machine with an nVidia GTX 980.

I recommend you read these blog posts that describe what this beautiful machine is capable of:

http://alexvking.com/OS_X_El_Capitan_Impressions.html
http://alexvking.com/12_inch_macbook_and_windows_10.html
http://alexvking.com/macbook_the_extended_review.html
http://alexvking.com/in_defense_of_the_new_macbook_and_intel_core_m.html

Great read - I jumped on a Space Grey for delivery Monday with 512gb and 1.2 - hope it's worth it as I need a small light workhorse for the office (only office programs and mail and such, so should be sufficient)
 
I wasn't contesting the need for an update or the reasoning, only stating the most likely scenario based on history. The comparison of cars to computers is trite and the idea that the rMB is somehow different than the MBA is fantasy. Apple is expected to update internals annually as they continuously demonstrate with phones, OS's, ipads, and intel's (when chip delays don't prevent it). Whatevs BJ boy.

I am not disputing what Apple has historically done with updates, I am merely challenging the frequency on this particular product.

The RMB is not a mass consumer item, it's not selling millions of units, it had a relatively slow rollout, it was in limited quantities/sizes/colors until September, it's simply not in Apple's financial interest to mildly update a niche product like this in under a calendar year.

BJ
 
To back up my previous post:
13" MacBook Air 8/256 $1300
12" Retina MacBook 8/256 $1300
13" MacBook Pro 8/256 $1500

These figures have been taken directly from Apple's website. The retina MacBook is not a premium product.

It's a premium product because its consumers are forced to compromise on performance in exchange for a pretty form factor. Price out what the RMB offers strictly on horsepower, you can get a $700 HP at Walmart that does the same thing.

BJ
 
Great read - I jumped on a Space Grey for delivery Monday with 512gb and 1.2 - hope it's worth it as I need a small light workhorse for the office (only office programs and mail and such, so should be sufficient)

A good analogy for the current MacBook is to the iWatch. The iWatch is a constrained product that will be eons better in revision 2. For crippled processor, read about the crippled battery life. For single port, read chunky profile. The Apple marketing machine will make the 2016 MacBook look and sound light years ahead of the 2015 model. The likes on boltj will ditch the 2015 as soon as the new one appears as they lust after materialistic possession. How will you feel being left with a 2015 model when Apple marketing shows you all the problems that model had that the 2016 model fixes?
 
A good analogy for the current MacBook is to the iWatch. The iWatch is a constrained product that will be eons better in revision 2. For crippled processor, read about the crippled battery life. For single port, read chunky profile. The Apple marketing machine will make the 2016 MacBook look and sound light years ahead of the 2015 model. The likes on boltj will ditch the 2015 as soon as the new one appears as they lust after materialistic possession. How will you feel being left with a 2015 model when Apple marketing shows you all the problems that model had that the 2016 model fixes?

Apple is a luxury products company manufacturing premium products high in price and perceived value for a high-end consumer that has no worries about money. What you point out as transitional detriments and quality issues don't mean anything to someone who can take a $400 hit by dumping their 2015 RMB to some unfortunate soul on Craigslist and buying a shiny new 2017 model when it's released.

For the refurb crowd holding onto their 2008 MacBook Air's and looking to pinch every last penny, keeping up with the core Apple demographic can be quite frustrating. The life of an Apple poseur only goes so far. No one said everyone has the right to own premium products from a luxury brand, and similarly no one should hold Apple accountable for an amazingly successful business model that doesn't work for those on a tight budget. Walmart sells HP's for a reason.

BJ
 
james, to make it more exclusive do you think apple should raise the price? if so, how much?

I think it's priced appropriately. I would expect that if they do introduce a 15" it would eclipse $2,200 though and that's a fine pricepoint.

BJ
 
In case you guys still haven't figured it out, here's what's happening next year:

rMB 12" will replace MBA 11"
Newly introduced rMB 14" will replace MBA 13"
MacBook Air will be discontinued

The simplified nomenclature only makes sense:

MacBook - MacBook Pro
iMac - Mac Pro
iPad - iPad Pro

Also, Apple will gradually start switching from odd screen sizes to even screen sizes (12", 14", 16", etc.).
 
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After all, there are what, 90 keys on each unit.

BJ
Depends on when you count.
Out of the box, all keys present.
End of week one, 5 broken.
While waiting to get an Appt with genius, 7 more self destruct. That's my adult daughters experience. Twice. Now on her third new computer picked up yesterday day one closed with all keys surviving.

My is just fine.
Spoke too soon earlier, I have posted my wife's as fine. Hours later we were at the Apple Store. But only four keys self destructed on hers.
 
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