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In case you guys still haven't figured it out, here's what's happening next year:

rMB 12" will replace MBA 11"
Newly introduced rMB 14" will replace MBA 13"
MacBook Air will be discontinued

The simplified nomenclature only makes sense:

MacBook - MacBook Pro
iMac - Mac Pro
iPad - iPad Pro

Also, Apple will gradually start switching from odd screen sizes to even screen sizes (12", 14", 16", etc.).


Actually seems like a realistic option. I am almost certain they will keep the Air around as it currently is at an even cheaper price, but as far as the next-gen lineup, this seems like it could happen.

Question is, will Apple continue to sell 2 models of rMBP (13'', 15'') , or just sell one "14 for all rMBP users?
 
Great read - I jumped on a Space Grey for delivery Monday with 512gb and 1.2 - hope it's worth it as I need a small light workhorse for the office (only office programs and mail and such, so should be sufficient)
:) congrats! I'm sure you'll be quite happy with it. Come back to the forums and let us know what you think.
 
Actually seems like a realistic option. I am almost certain they will keep the Air around as it currently is at an even cheaper price, but as far as the next-gen lineup, this seems like it could happen.

Question is, will Apple continue to sell 2 models of rMBP (13'', 15'') , or just sell one "14 for all rMBP users?
Pretty sure there will be MB in 12" and 14" and MBP in 14" and 16".
 
It's a premium product because its consumers are forced to compromise on performance in exchange for a pretty form factor. Price out what the RMB offers strictly on horsepower, you can get a $700 HP at Walmart that does the same thing.

BJ
you couldn't be more wrong, James. It's exactly the other way round. The buyers of your $700 HP will compromise on performance because their ugly laptop will have a slow 5400rpm HDD. Not to mention they will sacrifice their eyes looking at the ugly screen with washed out colours all day long.

Pricing out laptops strictly on horsepower (by the way, do you mean "processor speed" here) is absolutely wrong because any processor of today will suffice for the most tasks the general population will perform on a computer. The users of rmb so not compromise on processor speed performance.
 
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Depends on when you count.
Out of the box, all keys present.
End of week one, 5 broken.
While waiting to get an Appt with genius, 7 more self destruct. That's my adult daughters experience. Twice. Now on her third new computer picked up yesterday day one closed with all keys surviving.

My is just fine.
Spoke too soon earlier, I have posted my wife's as fine. Hours later we were at the Apple Store. But only four keys self destructed on hers.

Wow that sounds pretty bad record for that keyboard - Really hope it will be fine mine, because I dont have an Apple Store in Copenhagen.
 
you couldn't be more wrong, James. It's exactly the other way round. The buyers of your $700 HP will compromise on performance because their ugly laptop will have a slow 5400rpm HDD. Not to mention they will sacrifice their eyes looking at the ugly screen with washed out colours all day long.

Pricing out laptops strictly on horsepower (by the way, do you mean "processor speed" here) is absolutely wrong because any processor of today will suffice for the most tasks the general population will perform on a computer. The users of rmb so not compromise on processor speed performance.

We are on the exact same page when it comes to the purpose of the RMB and it's supposed "lack" of power. I find its very fast for what I need it for, what the average user would need any notebook for.

But to the average person, the RMB is a $700 Walmart notebook dressed up for prom. If you take the non-aesthetic elements out of it and judge it just as a computer, its got an older/slower processor, it can't smoothly run games, it's not optimized for heavy multitasking, etc. To the average person any $1,600 notebook is a luxury purchase considering what $500 can buy you these days.

BJ
 
Wow that sounds pretty bad record for that keyboard - Really hope it will be fine mine, because I dont have an Apple Store in Copenhagen.
You've brought up an excellent point. I'm fortunate to have easy access, just 5 minutes away from an Apple Store. It's easy for me to have the Genius Bar repair or replace today's Apple products that suffer from inconsistent quality checks before being sold.

Years ago Apple products were properly built and inspected. No need to make these frequent, costly trips to the Apple Store to patch up mistakes Apple doesn't seem to be able, or doesn't care to prevent.
 
If you take the non-aesthetic elements out of it and judge it just as a computerits got an older/slower processor, it can't smoothly run games, it's not optimized for heavy multitasking, etc. To the average person
James, time and again you are fundamentally wrong and you continue to bring up your false argument, hoping it will become true. It won't. We are not going to remove any feature from the retina macbook.

Since it has become pretty obvious that you are trolling these forums, I will stop responding to your posts. Good luck, take care.
 
Actually seems like a realistic option. I am almost certain they will keep the Air around as it currently is at an even cheaper price, but as far as the next-gen lineup, this seems like it could happen.

Question is, will Apple continue to sell 2 models of rMBP (13'', 15'') , or just sell one "14 for all rMBP users?

Sounds like you're saying the MBA has optimal pricing as it currently is. I wouldn't disagree with that. The macbook is priced for the jet pilot level of disposable income which is fair enough. I doubt I'll see anybody with one in my trailer park.
 
Years ago Apple products were properly built and inspected.
Just to play devil's advocate, when was this "years ago" period (when Apple productions were properly built and inspected) that you're talking about?

Here is a paragraph from a MacWorld review of Apple notebooks from back in 2003. That's 12 years ago?
Quality-Control Issues

We can't check the vital signs of every computer Apple ships. We can, however, report on the quality of the PowerBooks we've received, and that report is not encouraging. Of six 15-inch PowerBooks Macworld ordered from a non-Apple retailer, three had to be returned. One repeatedly locked up and experienced kernel panics after being unplugged from an external monitor, another's fan ran constantly, and another displayed only the magenta video channel when plugged into an external display. So if you absolutely must have this PowerBook now, be prepared for potential problems.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1027456/15inchpowerbookg4s.html

There are Titanium (2001) and Aluminum PowerBook quality issues listed here and here. Apple had to create "Repair Extension Programs" for two of the Aluminum PowerBook problems.

iBooks from 2001-2003 had enough issues with components failing on the logic board to get their own worldwide logic board repair extension program.

In 2006, a lot of MacBooks were affected by the "Random Shutdown Syndrome", where when a component inside got hot enough, the MacBook would turn off. This quality issue got enough traction that zdnet published an article telling owners how to proactively check for it.

MacBook Pros were notorious for yellow tinted screens back in 2008, very similar to what's going on now (IMO). A MacRumors user, doing the same thing you are doing (return MBPs with yellow tinted screen) ended up getting banned from Amazon for life because of it. :/

In 2010, yellow tint issues were affecting iMacs, and it got a fair amount of coverage in the blogosphere:
Apple admits to yellow-tint iMac issues | Macworld
The Conclusion to the Faulty iMac Saga: The Beginning of the Fix - gizmodo
How to address a cracked, flickering, or yellow-tinted 27-inch iMac screen - cnet
Apple Acknowledges, Will Service iMac Screen Color Issues - gigaom
Apple Claims Display Issues on 27-Inch iMac Have Been Addressed - macrumors

There are other quality control snafus (from swelling batteries to bad capacitors in iMacs to hi-res G4 screens with horizontal banding issues) to pad between the dates above, but I think enough is listed to demonstrate that quality issues and Apple aren't anything new.
 
Just to play devil's advocate, when was this "years ago" period (when Apple productions were properly built and inspected) that you're talking about?

Here is a paragraph from a MacWorld review of Apple notebooks from back in 2003. That's 12 years ago?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1027456/15inchpowerbookg4s.html

There are Titanium (2001) and Aluminum PowerBook quality issues listed here and here. Apple had to create "Repair Extension Programs" for two of the Aluminum PowerBook problems.

iBooks from 2001-2003 had enough issues with components failing on the logic board to get their own worldwide logic board repair extension program.

In 2006, a lot of MacBooks were affected by the "Random Shutdown Syndrome", where when a component inside got hot enough, the MacBook would turn off. This quality issue got enough traction that zdnet published an article telling owners how to proactively check for it.

MacBook Pros were notorious for yellow tinted screens back in 2008, very similar to what's going on now (IMO). A MacRumors user, doing the same thing you are doing (return MBPs with yellow tinted screen) ended up getting banned from Amazon for life because of it. :/

In 2010, yellow tint issues were affecting iMacs, and it got a fair amount of coverage in the blogosphere:
Apple admits to yellow-tint iMac issues | Macworld
The Conclusion to the Faulty iMac Saga: The Beginning of the Fix - gizmodo
How to address a cracked, flickering, or yellow-tinted 27-inch iMac screen - cnet
Apple Acknowledges, Will Service iMac Screen Color Issues - gigaom
Apple Claims Display Issues on 27-Inch iMac Have Been Addressed - macrumors

There are other quality control snafus (from swelling batteries to bad capacitors in iMacs to hi-res G4 screens with horizontal banding issues) to pad between the dates above, but I think enough is listed to demonstrate that quality issues and Apple aren't anything new.
It's widely acknowledged that the modern era of Apple laptops began in 1991 with the release of the PowerBook 100 series. Initially offered in three models, the PowerBook 100 / 140 / 170 were Apple milestones.

That's the year I decided to buy a PowerBook 170 to add to my growing Apple Ecosystem.

Every year since then I've bought at least one new Apple desktop or laptop up to the present. Partially because they are the tools I use for work and partially because I need the increased resources and because they've been quite viable for my needs.

As such I not only am aware of Apples product history, I've lived it. I don't care who's name is on the computers, pads, and phones, bugs small and sometimes large are a reality.

But when it's a company like Apple that blatantly brags and believes they're superior, charges high premiums to build great products, only to in later years allow their own high standard to degenerate... well it's obvious.
 
I saw one in store for £949 (500GB) and since the cheapest I've ever seen from a legit store was £1200, though mostly £1299... I just bought it as even when the new one comes out, I can sell it and not lose too much. Seems like it was in the store for a long time though since the battery was dead, but the health says 99%, I'll have to see how fast it discharges.
 
I saw one in store for £949 (500GB) and since the cheapest I've ever seen from a legit store was £1200, though mostly £1299... I just bought it as even when the new one comes out, I can sell it and not lose too much. Seems like it was in the store for a long time though since the battery was dead, but the health says 99%, I'll have to see how fast it discharges.

Congratulations - it's a very nice machine (mine hasn't arrived yet!) and will be even though there is a new in 2016.

I think I will run this for at least a couple of years before jumping on a new one
 
Congratulations - it's a very nice machine (mine hasn't arrived yet!) and will be even though there is a new in 2016.

I think I will run this for at least a couple of years before jumping on a new one

Yeah although iCloud is pissing me off, it's auto downloading all my files... why? I want them all in the cloud, that's the whole point of cloud storage. Why can't I turn on manual download? Also I deleted some files from the Mac and they went from the server.... wtf?

Google Drive is so much better, it functions how cloud storage should.

Where are all the iCloud files when I disable iCloud? They're still taking up room and yet I cannot find them to delete them locally.
 
Yeah although iCloud is pissing me off, it's auto downloading all my files... why? I want them all in the cloud, that's the whole point of cloud storage. Why can't I turn on manual download? Also I deleted some files from the Mac and they went from the server.... wtf?

Google Drive is so much better, it functions how cloud storage should.

Where are all the iCloud files when I disable iCloud? They're still taking up room and yet I cannot find them to delete them locally.

Yeah experienced the same today when I got mine started with a fresh clean account (its primary usage is going to be my work) but suddenly old files showed up. Haven't used iCloud Drive much so pretty old stuff
 
Yeah experienced the same today when I got mine started with a fresh clean account (its primary usage is going to be my work) but suddenly old files showed up. Haven't used iCloud Drive much so pretty old stuff

Some things about Apple are just so wrong, they can get things amazingly right and be ahead of the curve, but then weird things like thing are just worse than everyone else. The same goes for not being able to have vibration on when you type like Android, that would have been the killer feature for the 6s since it has that force touch motor thing that the Macbook and the Watch have.

It's a nice Laptop any ways, however I don't think I'm going to get to use it all that much since my G/F loves it and has clung onto it. It's a nice step from her 15 inch 5 year old Windows Laptop that lasts 20 mins on battery and where the lid is thicker than this Laptop.

Skylake will be the one that is useful for me, but I thought for £950 500GB you cannot go wrong.
 
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