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It's one thing to hack in a pointer interface to the OS. Do you really want to use a pointer with a touch-optimized UI? I wouldn't.

Surprising to most, the BT Mouse and Keyboard has worked very well with iOS for a very long time. The biggest issue normally came from the partial utilization of the keyboard(iOS9 fixed that), but a mouse on an iPad is awesome. It is extremely useful for RDP/Splashtop/VNC. The extra size of the iPP would make it even more effective, especially when you have the device up on the kickstand. The SmartCover collapses often when touching the iPP screen in the laptop presentation

The only reason I don't think Apple will do it is it will hurt the MacBook sales a little, other than that it fits in well and non intrusive. The pointer isn't visible when not being used.
 
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Surprising to most, the BT Mouse and Keyboard has worked very well with iOS for a very long time. The biggest issue normally came from the partial utilization of the keyboard(iOS9 fixed that), but a mouse on an iPad is awesome. It is extremely useful for RDP/Splashtop/VNC. The extra size of the iPP would make it even more effective, especially when you have the device up on the kickstand. The SmartCover collapses often when touching the iPP screen in the laptop presentation

you mean in jailbroken form and not normal un-jailbroken ios?
 
I wish they supported mice for specific apps (like, say, Citrix). I have said many times I can do 90% of my computer work on an iPad, but if I need to log in and do my day job, I need a computer because my work PC is windows and not designed for finger input. Otherwise the iPad Pro would be great for me, but no mouse means no dice for me.

Citrix does make a mouse specifically for iPhones and iPads running Citrix:
https://www.citrix.com/products/mouse/overview.html
 
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you mean in jailbroken form and not normal un-jailbroken ios?

Yes, unfortunately. If you peruse the source, you would see it is a trivial effort if Apple wished to provide the option. Frankly, it is the main reason I waste time jailbreaking my iPads
 
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Doubt it will happen, but the BT mouse/kb jailbreak tweak continues to work wonderfully on both iOS8 & 9 on the devices I have around the house.

JB is mandatory to me these days to be able to tweak your way to more sensible and usable settings, even if its graphical niggles and poor UI choices only (but of course its far more than that)
 
Some things are better with touch controls, somethings are better with mouse support - given how relatively simple adding mouse control would be relative having the option would give the iPad another asset.

Yes, iPads are better with touch controls, Macs are better with mouse support. Why? because both are specifically, deliberately, and in all other senses intentionally designed that way.

For now, it also seems that certain tasks are also better for one or another (e.g. I still don't know how I will ever design graphics the way I do on an iPad), but this is the evolutionary part. iPad and iOS will progressively mature over time to swallow every task that is possible.

At no point in that, does adding half-assed mouse support to iOS improve things for users, or iOS's and touch in general being further advanced.
 
Arguably they said the same thing about the "stylus". iOS devices will always be touch-first, but there's no reason Apple couldn't add an accessory as a secondary input mechanism (though as you say, perhaps not for navigation). I mean, if you can have Made for iOS game controllers...

There is a reason, but you won't like it. Apple works in a certain way - depending on your view, they either don't compromise unless they really have to - or act like they don't compromise in a well thought-out performance.

Either way, they would never add a mouse to a touch device because
1. Unlike Microsoft, they believe touch is an alternative, not a supplement to mouse input
2. Adding mice would send a message that touch is flawed for UI interaction (Pencil is different, but let's not go there now)
3. It would create confusion among some users: "Do I to use a mouse or touch?!". There is no confusion for the Pencil because it's historically embedded into our work patterns - everyone knows when to use them. People want to be told how to use something and focus on the results of the tool, not the tool itself. This is Apple's customer's viewpoint (it's also the reason Android and Windows fans like to call Apple users "sheep", which just shows how they miss the point)
4. Allowing the mouse would enable deveopers to rely on them. This means they would make apps designed to be used with a mouse. Then, suddenly, not only would you prefer a mouse for some apps, you would also - by logic - have to prefer working on a desk instead on the couch. In other words you'd get a "Mac" running iOS. Next thing you know, people would want to replace that iOS (whose only real benefit over OS X on tablets is that is designed for touch). So, basically, you'd get a full Mac with a touch screen, which is what many people here would want but Apple will never do.
 
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4. Allowing the mouse would enable deveopers to rely on them. This means they would make apps designed to be used with a mouse. /QUOTE]
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If they were to simulate a pencil's contact area for the mouse events to be treated like a touch event, there wouldn't be the option of much fragmentation.
 
If they were to simulate a pencil's contact area for the mouse events to be treated like a touch event, there wouldn't be the option of much fragmentation.

If you really think this is how Apple sees things, then you really don't get Apple (whether they are right or not). They observe, describe and design products based on the experience and feel these products provide, not by the technically possible operations they can do.
 
I covered in the OP why an iPad with mouse and keyboard support doesn't automatically = a Mac.
Why is it that people feel the use scenarios for Apple products must exist in isolated silos?

- "7.9in tablets are perfect. if you want something smaller then you have a phone"

- "Why would you want a 5in phone when you can use an iPad Mini"

- "Why would someone need a front camera for taking a picture of themself"

- "A stylus is too cumbersome for a tablet"

- "You'd get gorilla arm if you had touch on a display sitting upright on a table"

- "Use an iPad to consume media and a laptop to create it"

We can go on forever but we don't have to because history has clearly proven that these odd lines that message board defenders draw are constantly moving.

The iPad pro is being advertised as a productivity tool so why would people be so against the input tools that make it productive?
 
Yes, iPads are better with touch controls, Macs are better with mouse support. Why? because both are specifically, deliberately, and in all other senses intentionally designed that way.

For now, it also seems that certain tasks are also better for one or another (e.g. I still don't know how I will ever design graphics the way I do on an iPad), but this is the evolutionary part. iPad and iOS will progressively mature over time to swallow every task that is possible.

At no point in that, does adding half-assed mouse support to iOS improve things for users, or iOS's and touch in general being further advanced.

But I'm not asking for touch controls to be 'touched' in any way, nor the interfaces being changed in any way. Adding mouse support can only improve user experience and choices, with nothing being taken away from the capabilities of multitouch.

Regardless of how the devices interfaces were intended to be used, if Apple wants the device to be used productively like their recent PR would suggest then they will need to enable options for users to encourage them to use the iPad range as a daily driver - giving them a way of using the device comfortably is an easy feature to add.

By your own admission there are strengths to the Macintosh range over the iPad range for certain tasks - my point is if Apple are serious about developing the iPad range as a serious alternative to buying a laptop then need to open up the OS and give users more freedom with how they interact with it. You've admitted this is an evolutionary time in the products life, maybe the answer is to enable mouse support? The best options aren't always the newest.

Regardless of how much they advance touch tech it wouldn't be as fast or accurate as mouse - you literally cover the area if the screen your using and selecting a huge amount of screen relative to cursor input, hence why for a lot of functions a cursor is more appropriate giving higher precision and control. This isn't something that can't be improved over time, unless you've got an invisible finger that can select an area the size of stew pixels at a time it just cannot be done.

I can't understand what harm it would add to the device - even OS X which is built heavily around the touch pad and gestures has moments and functions that benefit from using a mouse - it doesn't undermine or overshadow the touchpad as the primary choose if user input but does enable a variety of choices for certain tasks giving users a better overall experience and value with their iPad.
 
The iPad pro is being advertised as a productivity tool so why would people be so against the input tools that make it productive?

So true - Great post!
I'll tell you one thing a Mouse does way way better than touch of any kind - Text selection and editing!
 
Adding mouse support can only improve user experience and choices

Yep, I totally agree - Just like allowing an optional 3rd party game controller on the Apple TV (or iOS devices) - Literally the exact same scenario. Enhancement for those that optionally want it, but hidden and not necessary if you don't.

I can vouch that this works nearly flawlessly already on iOS as I've long used a BT Mouse/KB with my jailbroken iPads. It's amazing and wonderful actually! You can be basically "laptop productive" with it. The main key is a good stable stand so that when you do touch the iPad, it doesn't want to tip over.
 
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Adding mouse support can only improve user experience and choices,
Wrong. You're wrong.
You won't get it. You simply don't understand how such decisions shape the future. Its not just adding an option as you oversimplify it.
 
Wrong. You're wrong.
You won't get it. You simply don't understand how such decisions shape the future. Its not just adding an option as you oversimplify it.

You can add transparent and hidden advanced features without dramatically impacting anything for the other 95% of users.

The ATV/iOS Game Controller allowance they already allow is a perfect example of that.
 
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Wrong. You're wrong.
You won't get it. You simply don't understand how such decisions shape the future. Its not just adding an option as you oversimplify it.

No, I don't get what point your trying to convey. I don't understand how giving users an extra optional method of user input could negatively influence 'the future' nor why 'the future' holds more importance than delivering better user experiences in the present.

Trackpads have been the standard in user input for OS X for a long time now - they've managed to keep mouse support whilst also improving the trackpad technology to create an better user experience *with* options. Hypothetically if there was no mouse connected to the iPad the cursor wouldn't exist and it'd literally behave identically to a traditional iPad.

I literally can't see where you're coming from where options ≠ bad, and given your lack of a real explanation I honestly don't think you know either.
 
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No, I don't get what point your trying to convey. I don't understand how giving users an extra optional method of user input could negatively influence 'the future' nor why 'the future' holds more importance than delivering better user experiences in the present.

Trackpads have been the standard in user input for OS X for a long time now - they've managed to keep mouse support whilst also improving the trackpad technology to create an better user experience *with* options. Hypothetically if there was no mouse connected to the iPad the cursor wouldn't exist and it'd literally behave identically to a traditional iPad.

I literally can't see where you're coming from where options ≠ bad, and given your lack of a real explanation I honestly don't think you know either.
You're fighting an uphill battle. Some people simply don't see the value of something until they try it for themselves firsthand.

People dismissed the usefulness of multiwindow/splitscreen on the Surface and Samsung Galaxy tablets. Now that iOS 9 supports this capabilities, some of these same people now see the benefit of it once they've been able to try it out for themselves.

Others are vehemently against external keyboards for the iPad. I find it odd that the thought of an external keyboard could generate such anger, but it does. Now with the iPad Pro, some of these same people are lamenting the fact that they can't get the keyboard case for their iPP.

The same is true for mice/trackpads.
 
No, I don't get what point your trying to convey. I don't understand how giving users an extra optional method of user input could negatively influence 'the future' nor why 'the future' holds more importance than delivering better user experiences in the present.

Because you don't get Apple. Now, I'm not claiming that in a way like "They are right and you are wrong" - I'm just saying that you don't understand their company philosophy.

It would take a lot to explain and I have a feeling we'd just be back to "But I don't understand how giving extra options would influence anyone". But here goes: you could make the same case for giving iOS additional skins for those who want them or allowing additional customizability to power users. The thing is - and please don't take this the wrong way - people don't really know what they want. People think they want thicker iPhones with larger batteries or more options to customize or mouse input for iOS devices. But - for most people (you don't have to be one of them) - they don't really want what they think they do. I remember having an Android phone and how I was excited to be able to change skins. I changed them, I customized them - but each one had some drawbacks. I ended up constantly switching back and forth, even creating custom icons for one - in the end, I just got fed up with it. I realized that having more options here was only taking away my energy and time. I wanted to focus on the things I really need, not on various options and customizations. I actually wished they didn't provide the option to change skins at all because it's existence was distracting.

Having a mouse on an iPad would probably be the same thing. To be honest, I think I want to use my Magic Mouse on my iPad. And I'm sure it would feel great for a while. But then I'd get tired of sitting at my desk and I'd want to take my iPad with me to the couch. But I can't use a mouse on my couch! So I'd either spend more time on my desk while tired, or try to use the mouse on the couch - and neither would be an optimal experience. Now, this is just an example and I could be wrong - maybe the option to use the mouse would actually be great! But the thing is, Apple will always choose simplicity and straightforwardness over multiple options and features that would cause confusion. I don't have to agree with them, but I understand their reasoning. And their reasoning is: "if you want to use a mouse, hey, here are these great computers called Macs - you'll love them!"
 
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People dismissed the usefulness of multiwindow/splitscreen on the Surface and Samsung Galaxy tablets. Now that iOS 9 supports this capabilities, some of these same people now see the benefit of it once they've been able to try it out for themselves.

At the risk of being called a fanboy, I will say that people dismissed the usefulness of multiwindow stuff on tablets until someone did it well. Have you tried the multiwindow on a Samsung Galaxy? It tried emulating Windows and it was awkward and decreased performance. So, yeah, it should've been dismissed. Apple's implementation is far from perfect, but it's good just enough and simple just enough to be genuinely useful and welcome.
 
I think I want to use my Magic Mouse on my iPad. And I'm sure it would feel great for a while. But then I'd get tired of sitting at my desk and I'd want to take my iPad with me to the couch. But I can't use a mouse on my couch! So I'd either spend more time on my desk while tired, or try to use the mouse on the couch - and neither would be an optimal experience. Now, this is just an example and I could be wrong

So just use your finger when on the couch and the mouse/KB + finger when it's docked, right?

Allowing optional mouse interaction doesn't preclude you from also using your fingers anymore than allowing keyboards stops you from using the onscreen keyboard.

It's a feature enhancement, not replacement.
 
I covered in the OP why an iPad with mouse and keyboard support doesn't automatically = a Mac.

If Apple is shouting from the rooftops to promote iPads over laptops they've got to offer a more accurate way of interacting with the device.

Some things are better with touch controls, somethings are better with mouse support - given how relatively simple adding mouse control would be relative having the option would give the iPad another asset.

A huge complaint of the iPad line in general (and particularly the pro) is its the same basic OS as the iPhones. With the screen estate and power of the iPad range offering extra functionality and control would differentiate the iPad from both macs and iPhones.
They do offer a more accurate way to interact with the iPad Pro...it's called the pencil.
 
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