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spacecadet1968

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Hi,

I’ve got a 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro with a 1.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 and 8 GB of 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM.

About a year ago, I started noticing the machine was running really slow when using Lightroom, InDesign, Photoshop, and especially Premiere Pro. In the past 6 months, I’ve noticed the fan starts up whenever I have a couple of apps open, even Safari or Firefox.

I’ve tried a clean install, but it’s still running slowly. I’m wondering if this computer has outlived its useful life. I realize it’s going on 6 years old, and it’s got an Intel processor. I'd really appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks!
 
You don't say how much SSD is installed and whether it is close to full. The apps you are using will consume RAM easily and with only 8GB it may be paging out to the SSD, and, if the SSD is full, this may slow things down a lot. If you are installing the latest versions of the apps you will find they are more memory and disk space and speed sensitive.

I would think this machine may be on the edge of its useful life, especially for the kind of apps you are using which require plenty of RAM, plenty of working disk space for scratch usage and a decent graphics capability with plenty of graphics memory. For basic word processing, browsing, emails etc. it might be fine, but I would budget for a new machine. Any of the M based Apple silicon machines (14" MacBook Pro) with 16GB of RAM and some decent SSD space (512GB minimum recommended) would give you a major performance boost and move you onto the latest OS versions. You do not even have to buy the Pro or Max versions to get a major performance boost.
 
That may have true with spinning rust. A SSD is the same speed regardless of of free space. There is no seek or rotational latency increase.
Not true. SSDs are written to in patterns as they search for space. As the SSD fills the write times change as a result of the need to reorganise and find space. You will find numerous references to the issue with written times as they fill up. I will give you some references later. But it is well known that as an SSD fills up, access times on write slow down.
 
You posted in another forum, and I answered you there.

The 2020 MBP is "too lightweight" (in terms of RAM and CPU power) for what you're trying to do with it.

It IS time for an upgrade.
This time, MAKE SURE you get enough RAM and a large enough SSD.

I'd recommend 32gb of RAM (minimum of 24).
Also, 1tb SSD.

Buy from Apple's online refurbished store if you want to save $$$.

M5 MBP is available now.
The m4pro MBPs will be coming early next year.
 
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That may have true with spinning rust. A SSD is the same speed regardless of of free space. There is no seek or rotational latency increase.
As already stated by @whitby SSDs are susceptible to write performance degradation as the drive reaches capacity.

At a 10,000 foot level it's because an SSD, unlike a spinning hard drive, cannot update existing data. Changes to a file are written to new space on the drive, pointers updated to reflect the new location, and the old space marked as available. At some point this used, but available space, is erased making it available for writing once again.

If free space is at a premium updates that need to be written have to wait as the drive erases available blocks, a time consuming process in computing time. Keeping sufficient free space means updates can immediately be written and the reclamation (i.e. erasing) of the old blocks can occur when the drive is not busy.

At least that's how I understand it.
 
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Hi,

I’ve got a 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro with a 1.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 and 8 GB of 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM.

About a year ago, I started noticing the machine was running really slow when using Lightroom, InDesign, Photoshop, and especially Premiere Pro. In the past 6 months, I’ve noticed the fan starts up whenever I have a couple of apps open, even Safari or Firefox.

I’ve tried a clean install, but it’s still running slowly. I’m wondering if this computer has outlived its useful life. I realize it’s going on 6 years old, and it’s got an Intel processor. I'd really appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks!
Could it be the cpu needs new thermal paste applied?

Perhaps the fans are clogged with dust and debris and are unable to properly move air like they used to, causing heat build-up followed by the fan motors spinning in rather futile fashion?

If you're not accustomed to opening computers for thermal paste or fan cleaning it would be better to send it out for repair, as Macbooks have so many tiny and delicate parts. The batteries are glued in ... quite annoying.

Premiere Pro will make pretty much every computer in the world kick the fans on and get hot especially during export, not much you can really do about that with any computer. Personally I find Final Cut and iMovie to be nicer than Premiere.

What OS are you running? The newer OSes run slower. You may want to consider downgrading to a prior OS for a speed boost. There are many complaints that macOS 26 Tahoe is a total dog when it comes to speed on older machines. I believe your 2020 intel MBP supports Macos 10.15 (Catalina) through Tahoe. The primary downside to using the older OS versions is they do not have the latest security updates. Regardless, downgrading may be a good solution.

If you downgrade, be sure to disable automatic updates in Preferences.

Make sure the Mac in on a hard surface so there's an air gap underneath it for cooling. Are all four rubber footies still in place? They lift the Mac up enough to allow for airflow underneath. You could prop the rear of the mac up with a pencil or something if need be.

Laps are typically a bad place for a laptop since your lap doesn't allow for proper cooling.

Also make sure the computer isn't running in energy conservation mode as that'll slow it down.

Make sure there's enough free space on your ssd/hdd for the computer to use as swap space.

Use Activity Monitor app on mac to check how much memory pressure there is when you're running one or more applications. You'll want the memory pressure to be in the green or yellow zone, not red. For a demanding app you might want to consider running it alone or with just one or two other medium or small apps to reduce memory pressure and/or cpu load. You can also monitor cpu load in Activity Monitor.
 
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I’ve tried a clean install, but it’s still running slowly.
If that doesn't help then it's probably just too slow for you. To be fair that machine has the slowest Intel processor Apple was selling anywhere between like 2017 and 2020.
 
What version of macOS is installed? How much free space is left on internal storage? Have you tried removing the bottom panel and cleaning out the dust collected over the years?
Hi @Bigwaff, It's running Sequoia, and on a 1TB drive it's got 400 GB left. Haven't tried removing the bottom panel, but it a good idea. Thanks!
 
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Hey all - thanks for your advice and answers - I guess I've been putting off the inevitable. Time to upgrade, and take this one behind the barn and put it out of it's misery. Or donate it somewhere, I guess.
Thanks!
 
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Hey all - thanks for your advice and answers - I guess I've been putting off the inevitable. Time to upgrade, and take this one behind the barn and put it out of it's misery. Or donate it somewhere, I guess.
Thanks!
Poor thing, no need to Old Yeller it! If you’re looking for somewhere to donate it, my classroom can always use a spare Mac for the kids to use!
 
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1.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 and 8 GB of 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM.
That's quite a slow clock speed, and you've only got 4 cores, and limited RAM. Plus Intel Macs are approaching 'legacy' status anyway.

6 years is a good innings for a 'Pro' use/machine. Any new M-series Mac will be light-years ahead.


If you can't or don't want to sell it, or give it away, then just hand it in to Apple for recycling. Don't junk it.
 
As already stated by @whitby SSDs are susceptible to write performance degradation as the drive reaches capacity.

At a 10,000 foot level it's because an SSD, unlike a spinning hard drive, cannot update existing data. Changes to a file are written to new space on the drive, pointers updated to reflect the new location, and the old space marked as available. At some point this used, but available space, is erased making it available for writing once again.

If free space is at a premium updates that need to be written have to wait as the drive erases available blocks, a time consuming process in computing time. Keeping sufficient free space means updates can immediately be written and the reclamation (i.e. erasing) of the old blocks can occur when the drive is not busy.

At least that's how I understand it.
This is part of the TRIM support function in the OS. This basically erases the blocks marked as deleted in the background so they can be made available for writing again. This prevents even more significant degradation in write times, but this becomes more time consuming as the SSD fills up. The recommendation is generally that an SSD should be around 25% bigger than your maximum requirements.
 
I use a 2015 MBP. For a 2021, I'd try upgrading the RAM as far as you can. That should be you improved performance. 6 years should really be nothing for a Mac but quality definitely has declined since 2015.

I know it sounds crazy to reserve 20-25% of your SSD. But, particularly when running the heavy Adobe apps you do, there's no other path, Grasshopper. Bigger SSD?
 
Hi,

I’ve got a 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro with a 1.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 and 8 GB of 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM.

About a year ago, I started noticing the machine was running really slow when using Lightroom, InDesign, Photoshop, and especially Premiere Pro. In the past 6 months, I’ve noticed the fan starts up whenever I have a couple of apps open, even Safari or Firefox.

I’ve tried a clean install, but it’s still running slowly. I’m wondering if this computer has outlived its useful life. I realize it’s going on 6 years old, and it’s got an Intel processor. I'd really appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks!


Depends what you use it for, but to give you some perspective - a semi-modern ipad air or mac mini (like… M1 or M2 and up) is probably 8x the multi-core CPU performance (about 2x single core - or even more once the intel machine starts throttling under load), and things get faster from there.

Apple silicon progress has been immense, and recent software has been written with that level of performance in mind.


Additionally, the older intel CPUs have had a plethora of CPU bugs that result in security vulnerabilities that have had to be patched via software work-arounds which account for up to 10-30 percent performance slowdown in some tasks.

Bumping up to even an M1 or M2 Macbook Air will be massively faster than what you are currently running - with no fan noise.


I’m not saying your intel mac is useless. But the performance jump (especially interactive performance) to anything Apple silicon after intel in the mac world is HUGE.
 
As already stated by @whitby SSDs are susceptible to write performance degradation as the drive reaches capacity.

At a 10,000 foot level it's because an SSD, unlike a spinning hard drive, cannot update existing data. Changes to a file are written to new space on the drive, pointers updated to reflect the new location, and the old space marked as available. At some point this used, but available space, is erased making it available for writing once again.

If free space is at a premium updates that need to be written have to wait as the drive erases available blocks, a time consuming process in computing time. Keeping sufficient free space means updates can immediately be written and the reclamation (i.e. erasing) of the old blocks can occur when the drive is not busy.

At least that's how I understand it.

This is pretty accurate.

Additionally: if your SSD is constantly fairly full (lets say above 80-90 percent), with mostly static content, you’re going to reduce its ability to do wear levelling.


ALSO - despite having no moving parts, filesystem fragmentation is still a thing. I’ve had a system (a server) so fragmented before due to little free space and high read/write workload that it could not write to disk despite having “free space”. Essentially the filesystem ran out of ability to track all the fragments.

Recommendations: treat 80-90 percent as FULL. Try to keep below 80 percent per above posts. On a modern OS, all drives, even SSDs need some free space to work with during normal operation. Not just for swap - as above things like garbage collection, more fragmentation due to inability to find contiguous blocks at the FS level, etc.

If you’re constantly above 80 percent, remove some old stuff you don’t need, offload it to external media, and/or consider whether you can justify a step up on storage capacity - because if you aren’t just being lazy with file management and actually need everything on the machine at 80% plus full - you really should probably be in the next tier up in capacity for all of the above reasons. Chances of it “breaking” or failing is low… but certainly performance will be impacted over time.


Also in addition to all that - larger SSDs tend to have larger caches, which improves performance outside of all of the above as well. In general if you can afford it i suggest to honestly evaluate how much storage you expect to need and then buy one tier up. This way you’ll ensure longevity of the machine, have space for local time machine snapshots, get great wear levelling, larger SSD cache, etc. Plus, if you need some temporary space to store things (e.g., an iphone backup, temporary copy of a project or whatever) - you can use that, rather than having to go buy a thumb drive, external drive, etc. You already have it.
 
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But couldn't relying on cloud services like iCloud or Dropbox for storage be a solution? It would avoid buying a new computer.
Or am I wrong?
 
But couldn't relying on cloud services like iCloud or Dropbox for storage be a solution? It would avoid buying a new computer.
Or am I wrong?

It can help - so can cleaning up old files/stuff you no longer use.

iCloud does make this easier, as if it is synced to icloud you can easily get it back onto the machine by just opening it from the link, which then pulls it down from the network.

It won’t do anything to help your 5-6 year old CPU though.
 
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It won’t do anything to help your 5-6 year old CPU though.
Is it possible that software is becoming increasingly heavy, to the point of making five-year-old MacBook seem obsolete?
I don't use it professionally, just for web browsing, audio streaming, and photo cataloging, but I understand that if someone uses it as a work machine, things change.
 
My 2020 16/512 MBP worked just fine until this summer, when the battery started expanding. Other than that I had no problems with it on Sequoia, running Windows on VMWare Fusion and all kinds of other things. Might there be lots of background processes gumming things up?
 
Is it possible that software is becoming increasingly heavy, to the point of making five-year-old MacBook seem obsolete?
I don't use it professionally, just for web browsing, audio streaming, and photo cataloging, but I understand that if someone uses it as a work machine, things change.

Definitely possible, and likely.

New codecs are a big one. If your CPU is several years old, it may lack hardware acceleration for things like (for example) Av1 codec video. Which means it needs to do it in software which can be 30x or more slower and more power hungry.

AV1 for example is supported in M3 and later, so its just an example and probably not a big problem YET, but it will inevitably start being used to get better compression/lower bandwidth/better quality video over the internet.

That’s one example, there’s plenty of others.

e.g., look at the codecs that exist that 10th generation intel does not support for hardware decode:


This is the sort of thing that even a high end CPU from several years ago will struggle with because it simply wasn’t designed with hardware support for these things. VP9 for example is one thing that 2019 machines will not support in hardware.


There are plenty of other new technologies that tend to creep into use and make old hardware slow! CODECS are not the only things!

This is why i suggest to people to spec a machine to last 3-5 years and then move on. Because no matter how high you spec a machine, eventually support for things that never existed when you bought the machine become common enough that your machine will struggle with them.


more codec info:
 
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