Is OS X upgrading too quickly?

Discussion in 'OS X Yosemite (10.10)' started by InuNacho, Dec 4, 2014.


Are the OS X updates becoming too frequent?

  1. Yes

    261 vote(s)
  2. No

    91 vote(s)
  1. InuNacho macrumors 65816


    Apr 24, 2008
    In that one place
    In the days of yore, Mac OS version updates were a few years apart and for the most part things worked smoothly between them, minus the 68K - PPC transition. With this new annual update system Apple's got going on, it feels that unless you've got software from a big box brand or something relatively lightweight, don't expect longevity from your software.

    Anyone else think the same way about the latest updates?
  2. grahamperrin macrumors 601


    Jun 8, 2007


    Please, can you make this a poll?


    Are we seeing a post-"Everything just works"-Apple?

  3. randomgeeza macrumors 6502

    Aug 12, 2014
    United Kingdom
    Ultimately, unless they [Apple] change the current pattern, they will go the way of MS... regardless of hardware or their fashion statement logo...

    People are tiring of things just not working... Especially those that have been long time Apple loyals, myself included. Once the next best thing comes along, people will jump ship. Time and time again, companies get far too big for their boots and their customer base will leave them behind... Another classic example of what is slowly, but surely happening to MS.

    I hope and pray that, given the current issues with 10.10 and upwards, they will pause for a moment and really work on getting 10.10 right. It is a good system but the attention to detail is sorely lacking and a lot of us have noticed this!
  4. AndreSt macrumors member

    Mar 4, 2014
    The upgrades and updates are released too often.
    At least too often to be seriously tested internally.

    Apple has to focus on quality.

    At the moment it's no good idea to install any software released by Apple without checking the forums first.
  5. w0lf macrumors 65816


    Feb 16, 2013
    All the big 3 (Windows, OSX, Ubuntu) do this now though. The old way is never coming back, or at least not anytime soon.
  6. Yaboze macrumors 6502a


    May 31, 2007
    The Garden State
    I voted yes. It seems that as soon as we get to a good point with the current version of OSX, a month or two later a new one comes out with a whole new set of problems.

    We literally get 1-3 months of good stability before we have to start all over again.

  7. Small White Car macrumors G4

    Small White Car

    Aug 29, 2006
    Washington DC
    Indeed, you're correct. But this is a marketing problem with a marketing solution.

    Imagine that, internally, Apple decides not to work on 10.11 for 2015 and instead plans to make Yosemite better in 2015 and pushes 10.11 to 2016.

    Like you said, they can't actually do that anymore, they'll look bad compared against every other tech company.

    So what to do? Well, they should just do that, but just call it 10.11 anyway. It's all just marketing. Throw in some consumer-friendly features like new Mail and Calendar features and people are happy they have something "new."

    So yeah, there'll be some changes, but those are in-app changes that won't affect other software. Things like Photoshop, printer drivers, and Fusion all keep working the same as before and OS X just gets better.

    So you have a situation where alternate years get deeper changes underneath that developers notice (what we used to call "OS updates") and the other years get skin-level changes that consumers notice more (that consumers still call OS updates, but we know better).

    Yearly updates but on on a 2-year rotating cycle.

    I just totally made this up, but what if one of those cycles are called OS X and the alternate years are called OS X-S years. I mean, where on earth did I come up with this crazy idea??
  8. simonsi macrumors 601


    Jan 3, 2014
    Releasing Yosemite didnt break Mavericks, if you feel it is too frequent/quick then dont update. Simple as.
  9. ABC5S Suspended


    Sep 10, 2013
    You all feel better now ? :D Yup, make a poll, and all will be fine, Tim Cook will come to this forum, apologize, and never do a yearly release again. ;)
  10. jdphoto macrumors 6502


    Jan 13, 2014
    I agree with this statement. I'd wouldn't mind an every other year release of OS X instead of the yearly pattern we're starting to see. I think Apple would be afraid to slow down though as they may fear the accusations that they're "failing to innovate".
  11. simonsi macrumors 601


    Jan 3, 2014
    LOL :cool:
  12. grahamperrin macrumors 601


    Jun 8, 2007
    Here's a poll to really make some one laugh

    Now that ABC5S is on my ignore list until I don't know when:

    [√] yes
    [ ] no

    End of poll. It's my list :D
  13. steve23094 macrumors 68020


    Apr 23, 2013
    I totally agree with your sentiment, except your last of the 'big 3' should not really be in the category 'big'.
  14. pickaxe macrumors 6502a

    Nov 29, 2012
    Way too fast. This combined with Apple's terrible QA mean that OS X is losing polish at a frightening pace.
  15. kazmac macrumors 604


    Mar 24, 2010
    On the silver scream
    Definitely way too fast. 18-24 months was much better (or longer, I am not remembering the release span between OS X...) And given the crap quality of recent software releases and the overstretched programming talent, it would be wise for Apple to slow for many reasons, including security.

    It's unfortunate to see the QC slip in software too.
  16. grahamperrin macrumors 601


    Jun 8, 2007
    Quality control, quality assurance

    Some slip is observable but I doubt that QA people are to blame.
  17. CEmajr macrumors 601

    Dec 18, 2012
    Charlotte, NC
    I totally agree that it's upgrading too quickly. It's impossible to do enough testing to get everything ironed out and working smoothly in just one year. By the time Apple gets most of the bugs worked out of Yosemite, a new OS will be released and repeat the cycle all over again. That might be a good working model for iOS but not a good idea on the Mac. The initial Yosemite release broke some very important apps for some people.
  18. randomgeeza macrumors 6502

    Aug 12, 2014
    United Kingdom
    Helpful, insightful... educated...

    And for what it's worth, Apple patrol both this forum (with others) and Apple Support Comms... quite regularly.

    I know this following a random contact from an Apple Engineer in Texas... who called out of the blue to discuss a bug and to collect some reports. And on checking his employment number, he was a legit employee...

  19. bigpoppamac31 macrumors 68020

    Aug 16, 2007
    This is actually a pretty good idea. For example when Apple updated to Snow Leopard a lot "new features" were actually under the hood fixes which made the OS much more stable. To my knowledge many Apple users still say SL is the most stable OSX to date.
  20. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Back when OS X was first introduced, it was on an annual update cycle. Then of course those days of yore with system 6, system 7, they and their own set of issues, even though updates didn't come out every year.

    I think Apple is making smaller updates on an annual basis like what many Linux distros are doing. I'm not a fan of it, but then its free, so I'm not going to complain.
  21. 556fmjoe macrumors 65816


    Apr 19, 2014
    It's not that it's upgraded too quickly; it's that the project seems like it's run by people with little or no programming experience. There are 2 good ways to handle an OS release cycle.

    The first is to set a hard date to release the OS and stick to it. However, if this is the approach taken, only the software that is ready should make it in the release. If a piece of software is not stable or thoroughly tested, it waits until the next release. This ensures timeliness and reliability/quality of the releases, at the expense of a fancy feature set.

    The second is to set a list of features that absolutely will be included and stick to it. If this is done, then don't set a release date. Ship the OS whenever it is ready, not at a predetermined time. If it takes 6 months, then it takes 6 months. If it takes 2 years to get everything right, then it takes 2 years. This ensures a set of well tested and bug free new features with stability, at the expense of quick upgrades.

    Most software companies are not run by developers. They take a hybrid approach where they list the features that will be in the release and promise the public it will be released on a certain date. This is the worst way to do it because it leads to untested, partially finished code being crammed in anyway because the marketing department promised the public it would be in the OS.
  22. baryon macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2009
    Apple is now all about quantity and not quality - iOS 8 and Yosemite both suck balls at the moment. What I don't get is that if they can't come up with something better than the previous version, why don't they just hold off until they can actually improve it instead of making it worse? That doesn't make sense, especially that they don't make extra money since their software is now free.
  23. Ulenspiegel macrumors 68040


    Nov 8, 2014
    Land of Flanders and Elsewhere
    That is my favorite post!
  24. omnisphere macrumors member

    Mar 22, 2011
    Please! contact Apple Product Feedback about this, it is the only way to prompt Apple.

    I have done it now. Please do it! we have to stop this madness of releasing new OS X every year.

  25. n-evo macrumors 65816


    Aug 9, 2013

    Last time I checked nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. Except maybe that one time when you absolutely have to buy a new Mac the same month a new OS X version is released. In just about every other scenario you can just hold off downloading until the operating system hits v10.x.3 or whatever. I know people who are still perfectly happy running their Mac and iPhone on OS X Mountain Lion and iOS 6 respectively.

    Is there hard evidence Mac OS X Leopard or OS X Lion, two OS X releases which weren't on a yearly cycle, had any less issues than - let's say - OS X Mavericks or OS X Yosemite? With "evidence" I mean real proof, not opinion or feelings.

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