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Is safari leading the way to be innovate?
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a browser can't have everything. i mean this especially when i say that it IS STILL A BETA! you people are bashing safari for not being innovative. that is true. it still also has a little catching up to do.but there is room for innovation down the line. you can't really innovate a browser because it is a browser.
when you people say innovations are needed, what are you talking about?
when you people say innovations are needed, what are you talking about?
In terms of catching up -- I'd like to see natively in Safari (without installing any 3rd party enhancers)
- I'd like to be able to see the certificate on self-certified secure webpages... (give me a button to view it)
- I'd like an option to tell a website that I'm using their "preferred" Windows IE $latestversion when any other response is "locked out" of the site due to them being lazy. This feature can be buried deep in a preference pane... and you can specify a list of sites you want this "little white lie" told to.
Interface enhancements:
- Radio-button choice of brushed metal or Aqua or anything else that comes down the Apple pipeline.
- The 'x' button on the tabs -- shouldn't it be red when on the current tab? ... and less touchy. I click to close one and occasionally end up closing two if the mouse pointer is still over the space.
- When selecting from the History menu, give an option to open the page in a new tab or window.
- Add an option to the contextual menu - open this (image / source / link) in (specified default application)?
- An optional dialog box that can be turned on and off in the preferences: "The window you are closing has multiple tabs. Are you sure you want to close ALL of them now?"
In terms of innovation:
- I second the integration of sherlock-like features into the search box ... Google is nice, but not always what I want to search.
With this revision, I have finally made Safari my browser of choice, beating out Mozilla, Netscape and IE. I still keep them around for compatibility reasons, though they're being used less and less.
- I'd like to be able to see the certificate on self-certified secure webpages... (give me a button to view it)
- I'd like an option to tell a website that I'm using their "preferred" Windows IE $latestversion when any other response is "locked out" of the site due to them being lazy. This feature can be buried deep in a preference pane... and you can specify a list of sites you want this "little white lie" told to.
Interface enhancements:
- Radio-button choice of brushed metal or Aqua or anything else that comes down the Apple pipeline.
- The 'x' button on the tabs -- shouldn't it be red when on the current tab? ... and less touchy. I click to close one and occasionally end up closing two if the mouse pointer is still over the space.
- When selecting from the History menu, give an option to open the page in a new tab or window.
- Add an option to the contextual menu - open this (image / source / link) in (specified default application)?
- An optional dialog box that can be turned on and off in the preferences: "The window you are closing has multiple tabs. Are you sure you want to close ALL of them now?"
In terms of innovation:
- I second the integration of sherlock-like features into the search box ... Google is nice, but not always what I want to search.
With this revision, I have finally made Safari my browser of choice, beating out Mozilla, Netscape and IE. I still keep them around for compatibility reasons, though they're being used less and less.
We may see small little items
It's a Browser.
How much Innovation do we really need. The idea is to keep Safari small and as Bloatfree as possible. I like my Browers quick and memory efficient. Apple my add Rendezvous for some networking functions but I don't think you're going see Major features added that the competition hasn't thought of. I'm just thankful that Apple now has a Browser and it's one less Microsoft product needed.
It's a Browser.
How much Innovation do we really need. The idea is to keep Safari small and as Bloatfree as possible. I like my Browers quick and memory efficient. Apple my add Rendezvous for some networking functions but I don't think you're going see Major features added that the competition hasn't thought of. I'm just thankful that Apple now has a Browser and it's one less Microsoft product needed.
im not trying to be smart, but i just wanna know how os x is taking someone else's work, thanks if there is an explanation.
Umm...it's NextStep. I mean it's not like Apple didn't just purchase their new "revolutionary" OS or anything.
Mac OS X is a conglomeration of FreeBSD, NeXTStep, various GNU projects, and Mac OS. Safari is mostly the Konqueror browser with a thin layer on the outside.
Apple owns Mac OS and NeXTStep but has carefully leveraged other people's work to contribute to their own. It's not stealing, and I consider it clever, but it's hardly innovative.
Apple owns Mac OS and NeXTStep but has carefully leveraged other people's work to contribute to their own. It's not stealing, and I consider it clever, but it's hardly innovative.
sorry, that begs the question--why the heck are you even here?Originally posted by tazo
i know, but i dont care to argue online
Originally posted by tazo
i know, but i dont care to argue online
the whoole reason i joined these forums was to argues (in a polite way), and discuss about macs, and other stuff. you have to be able to argue.
Hardly Innovative? That's subjective. You may feel it's not innovative but I do. The Definition of Innovate according to dictionary.com
To Innovate can mean developing something entirely new it can also mean ehancing a current product with "Innovative" ideas. I happen to think Safari is Innovative. Frankly I grow weary of the constant battles between people on what's innovative or not. It's all a matter of personal preference.
Interesting that you quote dictionary.com and then, discard its definition, because it doesn't fit your need.
If you want to believe that it's innovative, fine, feel free. If you don't want to be involved in the "constant battles", don't participate. It might save you a headache or two, or let you sleep better.
americans, huh? damned subjectivists! everything has to be democratic. no wrong answer!
lol, i was kidding, really...
...i'll take up nuckinfutz' broken flag.
anyways, i don't fully agree with the above, but i will say, bousozoku, i think you are being pretty harsh.
lol, i was kidding, really...
...i'll take up nuckinfutz' broken flag.
then, hmm, we have some etymology:
the innovare, from latin, is to renew. one can extrapolate and still innovate. one can even extrapolate severely and still innovate. you could call it renovation, for it certainly is, but renovation contains within it an aspect of innovation. Safari, without question, has introduced some new ideas to the browsing environment--i wouldn't go so far as to say that they have renewed the web experience, but i don't think something has to utterly redefine that which it pertains to to be considered innovative. you will never get around the fact that innovation in computers will not be pure innovation like, say, the creation of TV or the PC (which are admittedly of dubious purity, depending on your definition). Safari is designed to introduce minor innovations into the browsing experience, such as the bookmarking structure or "snap-back." it also has the goal of incorporating some of apple's already-existing design innovations into the design of the browser.
anyways, i don't fully agree with the above, but i will say, bousozoku, i think you are being pretty harsh.
As much as I believe that Apple have done a brilliant job with the software, I won't agree to much of it being innovative.
NeXT was innovative, when it was new, and Mac OS, when it was new, was innovative. Many of the things introduced are still quite effective so many years later.
I don't think anyone's flag is broken. I would certainly hope that he wouldn't be hurt because of what I said. I think it's great to be a cheerleader, but I'm not going to be one.
Good comments. It's always good to look at things from different angles.
With Computing really the "Devil is in the Details" Like those BASF commercials. Apple might make make the product..they make the product better.
Much of what OSX is cobbled together. But it does contain enough changes to warrant to "innovation" tag. The Window Server along is pretty amazing Tech the way it composits the UI on the fly. Slow right now but in 3 years or less speed won't be the issue.
Safari is based primarily on Konqueror but the Innovation is the flexibility and extensibilty of Webcore.
Looking at a comparison sheet between Windows and OSX would not tell you much about how each UI "feels" In many areas Apple seems to perceive what the user will need to do next. I expect this to improve with future OSX versions.
With Computing really the "Devil is in the Details" Like those BASF commercials. Apple might make make the product..they make the product better.
Much of what OSX is cobbled together. But it does contain enough changes to warrant to "innovation" tag. The Window Server along is pretty amazing Tech the way it composits the UI on the fly. Slow right now but in 3 years or less speed won't be the issue.
Safari is based primarily on Konqueror but the Innovation is the flexibility and extensibilty of Webcore.
Looking at a comparison sheet between Windows and OSX would not tell you much about how each UI "feels" In many areas Apple seems to perceive what the user will need to do next. I expect this to improve with future OSX versions.
What would be a major innovation anyway? When the Mac came out, ease-of-use became synonymous with menus, mice, & icons.
The web lost menus though. Why are the menus I have now for the web browser (Safari), and not for the website (MacRumors)?
What would happen if a website/application used standard Mac (or Windows) menus? Would that be innovation? Or just adding menus to a website/application?
I guess this is part question, part idea.
I'd like to just click File menu/Print on my banking site and have it automatically load and print the "print friendly" receipt. Why not have a "MacRumors" menu next to the Apple menu? Click "Preferences" would adjust your setup for that website. File/Attach to add files to a post. And so on.
that wouldn't be innovative if it took over though. that would be like "hey, we're kicking out you freaking asses who are too stupid to format a page in html. now you have to read a carbon/java book on web standards before you can get within a mile of a web server! mwahahahaha!"
ok, not quite like that, but it would transform the web into a much more sophisticated place that was less inclusive of normal, technically un-apt people
lol, buddy, i am way out of my league with you, you know. i was just making conversation; i suppose it probably wouldn't be much trouble to do an open standard format that provided for sites to have their own menus natively... isn't stuff like CSS a step in this direction?
i just don't see it happening, as many standards as there are out there.
But in a way you're defeating your own argument since it's Apples work with the open source community and the development team for KHTML that is so innovative. Before Apple the KHTML had barely gotten a start now it's turned into a full fledged browser to rival or beat any browser out there. The true innovation though as I stated is the working relationsip between the open source community, Apple, and the KHTML developers.
he has going for him that apple has been a little niggard about sharing its innovations with the open source community, though dave hyatt would prrobably disagree strongly.
Read the latest MacAddict the guy that represents the KHTML group came across as being very excited with the work and progress from Apple.