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You are joking, right? Just the display costs close $200. The i5 CPU in the base iMac costs around $170. Building a comparable desktop to the base iMac, using only budget parts will bring you close to $700 if not more.

The apple sign on the back costs about 300 dollars. And I am totally fine with that because I know I am getting quality parts, quality software, and great customer service at a slightly marked up price. I would make that tradeoff any day.
 
The apple sign on the back costs about 300 dollars. And I am totally fine with that because I know I am getting quality parts, quality software, and great customer service at a slightly marked up price. I would make that tradeoff any day.

Exactly my point.
 
You are joking, right? Just the display costs close $200. The i5 CPU in the base iMac costs around $170. Building a comparable desktop to the base iMac, using only budget parts will bring you close to $700 if not more.

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Note: the CPU and the GPU are faster here.
 
The apple sign on the back costs about 300 dollars. And I am totally fine with that because I know I am getting quality parts, quality software, and great customer service at a slightly marked up price. I would make that tradeoff any day.

+1 This is why you buy Apple.
 
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Note: the CPU and the GPU are faster here.

I don't think it will run without a mainboard ;) BTW, while you are at it, add a 3x3 Wifi/bluetooth 4.0 card to it and a wireless mouse/keyboard set.

P.S. Lol at the LC-Power PSU ^^
 
Macs are usually a decent price towards the start of their generation, but if you miss that sweet spot they quickly become 'expensive'

Mainly because PCs are constantly discounted throughout their retail lifespan, losing on average $20-50 a month. Making an end of generation model a bargain. Unlike Macs which retain the same price throughout the entire generation.

TBH it looks like the days are numbered for the cMBP, though if they upgrade it - especially if they include the rMBP vastly improved cooling system, i'll get one like a shot.
 
It could use double the graphics memory at $1,799 and maybe 512 MB at $1,599 or $1,699.
 
It could use double the graphics memory at $1,799 and maybe 512 MB at $1,599 or $1,699.

Apple have always been quite skimpy with memory, in practically all aspects. GPU, HDD and RAM. A pity considering the price really.

Ideally the baseline should be 1 Gig GPU, 8Gb RAM ... and hopefully 512Gbon their 15" Retinas.
 
Good for you, still by no means a MBP


Now, I am out of here, same story again and again, show me the same as I said in my last post and I listen, until then, take care.

You call him out, he shows you, and this is the best you can offer?

I appreciate the MBP, but that still does not mean the 30% margin is not made up by putting older/weaker components into the MBP. 4-gigs of ram, puny HDD, lacking GPU with at least 1/2 the VRAM one should expect, etc... That right there makes up what % of their margins? So please don't pretend that these are unimportant to the function of a laptop.

The REAL apple tax is getting lesser components than what you are paying for in a laptop/notebook computer.
 
You call him out, he shows you, and this is the best you can offer?

I appreciate the MBP, but that still does not mean the 30% margin is not made up by putting older/weaker components into the MBP. 4-gigs of ram, puny HDD, lacking GPU with at least 1/2 the VRAM one should expect, etc... That right there makes up what % of their margins? So please don't pretend that these are unimportant to the function of a laptop.

The REAL apple tax is getting lesser components than what you are paying for in a laptop/notebook computer.
Actually apple uses the best quality and latest components I agree with all else you have said except the vram part as Macs aren't meant for GAMING.
 
You call him out, he shows you, and this is the best you can offer?

I appreciate the MBP, but that still does not mean the 30% margin is not made up by putting older/weaker components into the MBP. 4-gigs of ram, puny HDD, lacking GPU with at least 1/2 the VRAM one should expect, etc... That right there makes up what % of their margins? So please don't pretend that these are unimportant to the function of a laptop.

The REAL apple tax is getting lesser components than what you are paying for in a laptop/notebook computer.

I left because it got to the point where you get the yes no debate, goes on and on, and I stand by what I said, plenty of reasons why there is no similar PC for less money.

And another reason which is forgotten many times is that Apple's Hardware still has a great resale value while PC get dumped.
 
An ASUS N56VZ has Intel Core i7 quad-core, upgradable 8GB of 1600MHz RAM, upgradable 750GB 7.2000rpm HDD, Nvidia GT650 with 2GB of dedicated memory, 1920x1080p anti-glare display, Asus support, 3 hours of battery life at full work, Blu-ray Drive, Windows 8 and it's half the price.

900$ instead of 1800$.

And how long do you think it will last you? Not talking about the battery use per day, but the machine life? A couple years maybe? I hear stories of MB's that last 5-6 years before they need fully replaced.

And what if something goes wrong with your $900 laptop? You have to ship it back to ASUS, have them look at it, hope they find and fix the problem, and ship it back. How long would you be without a computer? A couple weeks ago, the ESC key in my MBA popped out of place. If that was a Dell or another cheap Windows machine, I'd have to take it in or ship it out and wait days, maybe a week or more, before I got it back. How much time did I lose with my MBA issue? About 2.5 hours. An hour to drive from home to the Apple Store each way, 5-10 mins waiting for my Genius for a face to face explanation of what was wrong, 5-10 mins for the repair, and the rest of the time was wondering the store and checking things out.

You pay more for Apple stuff, yes, but you get quality built machines, both hardware and software, and top of the line customer service that I don't see in other hardware computer manufacturers. And that is why Apple has won my business for sometime to come.
 
Yes, i so think that cmbp is overpriced, at least compared to other products on the market and of course the retina model. You can pick a windows laptop with same specs/weight/display for significantly less. Look for instance at the new Samsung chronos. The only areas where the cmbp has the advantage are design/sturdiness of the build/trackpad and of corse OS X. To be inline with the market, the cmbp should cost at least few hundred less.

Every Apple product is overpriced. You get the same spec for half the price on Windows.

It is a matter of fact that Apple products are all overpriced. This is a feature of this business' policy. Do not forget Apple is just meant to create profit, and can do well with these prices because these products are sold anyways, at any price, being "unique".

Apple just thinks about the money: it is normal.

It is a fact that if you see a Notebook from Asus, Dell, Santech etc. with the same identical specs it is half the price with Windows 8.

The problem is, is that you people think it's *all* about the specs. It's not. MacBook Pros still have great specs, regardless.

I've never seen a single Windows laptop with the build quality of a MacBook. They all feel like flimsy plastic pieces of junk (I'm afraid they might break just by holding them).

The more important thing (to me anyhow) is the OS. As a student, I can honestly say Windows is crap for productivity oriented people. OS X blows Windows out of the water in terms of productivity and reliability.

It also comes with tons of handy, free apps, that a) work better than most Windows apps and b) would cost you $20-$50 for a Windows "equivalent" (many of which I use frequently; Notes, iCal, Reminders, the graphing utility, etc.).

Microsoft also nickel and dimes you. You have to pay extra for Ultimate or Professional. Oh, you want language packs also? Have to pay for that, too. On Mac OS X, you get *everything* included in one price.

Now by the time you factor all that in, it's really not that much more.

And how long do you think it will last you? Not talking about the battery use per day, but the machine life? A couple years maybe? I hear stories of MB's that last 5-6 years before they need fully replaced.

And what if something goes wrong with your $900 laptop? You have to ship it back to ASUS, have them look at it, hope they find and fix the problem, and ship it back. How long would you be without a computer? A couple weeks ago, the ESC key in my MBA popped out of place. If that was a Dell or another cheap Windows machine, I'd have to take it in or ship it out and wait days, maybe a week or more, before I got it back. How much time did I lose with my MBA issue? About 2.5 hours. An hour to drive from home to the Apple Store each way, 5-10 mins waiting for my Genius for a face to face explanation of what was wrong, 5-10 mins for the repair, and the rest of the time was wondering the store and checking things out.

You pay more for Apple stuff, yes, but you get quality built machines, both hardware and software, and top of the line customer service that I don't see in other hardware computer manufacturers. And that is why Apple has won my business for sometime to come.

I had a MacBook from '06 to 2010. It has been dropped, thrown, hit, and even had cleaner chemicals spilled on it. The worst that happened was I had to replace the hard drive (due to being hit). On year four, it was still running nearly as fast as day one. I had a Windows laptop from 2010 to 2013. I swear that thing was getting slower by the month. The only reason I switched from a Mac to Windows in the year 2010 was because I figured after 4 years, it was time to give a new laptop a try, specifically a Windows one. I'll never make that mistake again.

And I agree, Apple has probably the best customer service I've ever dealt with.
 
Apple have always been quite skimpy with memory, in practically all aspects. GPU, HDD and RAM. A pity considering the price really.

Ideally the baseline should be 1 Gig GPU, 8Gb RAM ... and hopefully 512Gbon their 15" Retinas.

O_O

512 MB for 2880x1800?

How about 2 GB for the retina, 1 GB for the classic? Standard.
 
The thing that a lot of people don't get is that they personally test a lot of products out themselves before they go on the market not to mention the developing teams they use to come up with the designs and the metals and customized board sets they use that cant be used or found in any other computer companies. Though some of the prices are high they still retain a lot of resale value.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't even find significantly cheaper laptops with the same specs as the higher-end 15" cMBP.

There is the 17" Sony Vaio E series with a quad-core 2.2GHz Ivy Bridge i7 for $999, but you get this:
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Though as soon as you approach 2.6GHz quad-cores, it's not such a big difference anymore.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't even find significantly cheaper laptops with the same specs as the higher-end 15" cMBP.

There is the 17" Sony Vaio E series with a quad-core 2.2GHz Ivy Bridge i7 for $999, but you get this:
sony-13q1-e1713-black-ports-lg.jpg


Though as soon as you approach 2.6GHz quad-cores, it's not such a big difference anymore.

Wow nothing like...a mac, elegant sleek.
 
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Not to forget the awesome customer support, great apps, easy UI and a safe OS. Not to forget best in class quality.
I wonder what more could you need in a Mac. But I still do think that a cMBP 15 must have 8GB of RAM pre-installed for that price i could expect that!
 
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