Is the latest and greatest Macbook Pro better than a 5,1?

[needtoupgrademacpro]

Was just wondering. I know the Mac Pro is slated to come out this year, but my work is getting tougher and tougher on my 5,1 and honestly I don't know if I can wait.

I know there's the nMP but it's 2013 tech and I don't want to drop any amount of money on the trash can.

Was recently looking into buying a MBP because of improved performance as well as mobility.

Thoughts?

 

[macguru9999]

There are plenty of upgrades for the 5,1. If you tell people what you have now and what you are doing with it, i am sure we can come up with a few suggestions

 

[Slash-2CPU]

Depends on your use. If you dont need massive storage, or a ton of RAM, and don't plan to run the machine at max load doing renders for extended periods, yes.

 

[haralds]

I have the top end MB Pro with i9 and a 5.1 with dual 3.0GHz (12 Core)/48GB & Radeon 7970 & 4Tb Apple SSD. on the 5,1 - lot's of SSD with PCIe cards.

Overall, the 5,1 has the MacBook beat. But it is not as portable. In the end, if I had to vote for one system, I would go with the MacBook Pro. But with both side by side, I toggle to the 5,1 for my serious work. The MBPro has faster disks by far.

They are both connected to a Dell U3818DW wide screen.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Was just wondering. I know the Mac Pro is slated to come out this year, but my work is getting tougher and tougher on my 5,1 and honestly I don't know if I can wait.

I know there's the nMP but it's 2013 tech and I don't want to drop any amount of money on the trash can.

Was recently looking into buying a MBP because of improved performance as well as mobility.

Thoughts?

The CPU performance in general is twice as fast per core and you have additional benefits such as faster IO and memory. But under heavy load slim notebooks (any brand) will throttle and in some apps can perform worse than an older computer that doesn't throttle. If you must use a notebook with graphics and compute intensive apps then you should connect an eGPU.

 

[XNorth]

If you want mobility and power, get the MBP i9 with Vega 20 graphics and a Razor Core 2 Vega 64 eGPU.

 

[startergo]

I just got one 6 core i7. It is overheating like hell. In windows, MFC cannot control the fans due to the T2 chip. I have managed to install Windows in bootcamp (legacy( on the Internal drive and on external in EFI mode. I think it overheats more in Windows plus there is no way to control the fans.
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If you want mobility and power, get the MBP i9 with Vega 20 graphics and a Razor Core 2 Vega 64 eGPU.

The I9 in the same footprint is gonna be the worst. What is the point of a high processor if it cannot keep the frequency due to throttling?
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The CPU performance in general is twice as fast per core and you have additional benefits such as faster IO and memory. But under heavy load slim notebooks (any brand) will throttle and in some apps can perform worse than an older computer that doesn't throttle. If you must use a notebook with graphics and compute intensive apps then you should connect an eGPU.

It is not even under heavy load. It is just booting to Windows or from what it looks like idling but it heats up like a stove.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I just got one 6 core i7. It is overheating like hell. In windows, MFC cannot control the fans due to the T2 chip. I have managed to install Windows in bootcamp (legacy( on the Internal drive and on external in EFI mode. I think it overheats more in Windows plus there is no way to control the fans.
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The I9 in the same footprint is gonna be the worst. What is the point of a high processor if it cannot keep the frequency due to throttling?
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It is not even under heavy load. It is just booting to Windows or from what it looks like idling but it heats up like a stove.

That’s because the clock speeds and core counts jumped suddenly and Intel didn’t deliver cool running chips for this form factor. The industry was expecting 10nm by 2018 and it never came. So now manufacturers have to redesign cooling systems or make notebooks wider because clock speeds and core counts are only going to keep going up.

 

[startergo]

That’s because the clock speeds and core counts jumped suddenly and Intel didn’t deliver cool running chips for this form factor. The industry was expecting 10nm by 2018 and it never came. So now manufacturers have to redesign cooling systems or make notebooks wider because clock speeds and core counts are only going to keep going up.

I heard rumors Apple "claims" to fix that in the new mBP. The should be announcing it in the summer presentation

 

[handheldgames]

I heard rumors Apple "claims" to fix that in the new mBP. The should be announcing it in the summer presentation

Once the MBP jumps to an Apple 7nm ARM, with a single core of ~7000 and a multi-core of ~24,000, the heat issue should be solved.

Developing mobile apps for iOS and Android on the cMP and a 2018 mbp

• A maxed out 15" 2018 mbp does not feel faster / slower than a 5,1 12-core x5680, 96gb of ram, and a 970 Pro on a Highpoint PCIe 3.0 adapter.
• 16GB of ram on the mbp can be limiting when running xcode, android studio, and other apps simultaneously. Virtual memory works, but there is a slowdown associated with it.
• 96GB of ram on the cMP is excessive, but it's a cheap upgrade. My cMP boots up with a 30GB Raid 0 scratch ram disk, virtual memory disabled and I never run out of RAM. I would probably have to enable VM if I used adobe's professional products.
• I have two desktop Mac Pros that I go between. The mBP offers a nice option when I need to work remotely.

 

[startergo]

Once the MBP jumps to an Apple 7nm ARM, with a single core of ~7000 and a multi-core of ~24,000, the heat issue should be solved.

7000 and 24000 is that a price or speed?

 

[XNorth]

The I9 in the same footprint is gonna be the worst. What is the point of a high processor if it cannot keep the frequency due to throttling?

All current Macs throttle to a degree. If you need mobility and a Mac, the MBP is the only choice.

Geekbench scores for my decked out cMP 5,1 12 cores vs the MPB i9...

cMP: CPU single core 2937; CPU multi-core 25730; OpenCL Vega 64 173404; Metal 193021
MBP i9: CPU single core - 5341; CPU multi-core 22510; OpenCL Vega 20 80011; Metal 73947

The cMP 5,1 can barely still hang with the MBP only due to more than $1500 max upgrades with CPU cores, GPU, and SSD. With lessor/stock components, and no Apple firmware updates, the cMP doesn’t stand a chance.

Real-world use is another matter. In FCPX 4K, the MBP plays back, scrubs, and edits much smoother. It also encodes faster than the cMP. For video read & write on a RAID NAS, I get over 1000 MB/s with TB 3 vs the cMP's 500MB/s on 10GbE .

I will keep my cMP 2012, but no more hardware upgrades. It just can't compete anymore, and it's not meant to.