Is the Macbook Pro... too thin?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by PaulWog, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. PaulWog Suspended

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    Let's assume for argument's sake that the Macbook Air will no longer be refreshed. That leaves the Macbook line, and the Macbook Pro line.

    What does the Macbook line represent in one word?: Ultraportability

    What does the Macbook Pro line represent in one word?: Performance

    The Macbook Pro has gotten so thin and light that the line between the Macbook and the Macbook Pro is being blurred. Ultraportability seems to be the "innovative" priority for the Macbook Pro line, over performance.

    I... think... Apple might have whatever a body image disorder is... but for product design?
     
  2. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    I think Apple has done a good job balancing performance with portability and battery life. Clearly some people are unhappy with the design decisions that Apple has made, but I think they are more the exception, and it's not realistic to expect Apple to accommodate their needs over the rest of their user base.
     
  3. NickPhamUK macrumors 6502

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    Funny how with the iPad Pro, Apple tries to make it the most powerful tablet, "ready to replace computers" and aim it for enterprises.

    With the MacBook Pros they are going in the exact opposite direction. They seem more like a bling bling toy for your average Starbucks bunny than a real professional.
     
  4. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    You clearly have no understanding of the silicon used by Apple in their pros then they are still the best in class for all their components compared to anything else you can buy!!
     
  5. Rkuda macrumors regular

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    So you're complaining that the new MBP stomps the old MBP in performance, but also has the ability to be as portable as an ultraportable.

    Incredible.
     
  6. ugru macrumors 6502

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    No they are not: mid of the line CPU and Lame GPU
     
  7. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    Really?? show me something better!!!

    Go on.... just one computer that's thin and light with a 10 hour battery life with better specs just one.

    The best computervis the one you have with you that has charge Apple understand this you clearly don't....
     
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    Yes, if i want an ultraportable i would buy a MacBook
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    Again, if I want "thin and light" i would buy a MacBook.
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    Just remane it:

    MacBook air the old MacBook

    MacBook the old MacBookPro

    There is nothing Pro in those Laptops...
     
  9. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    You can't then??? Not to mention all tb3 ports and a p3 gamut screen???

    Really stop whinging in no one makes a better all round laptop it's that simple you can't even refute it. If you need a specific thing from a computer apple are not for you and they have never been for you they have always balanced their portables this way. The only reason people who needed specific performance bought them is because everyone else's laptops were so rubbish.
     
  10. PaulWog thread starter Suspended

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    IMAGINE if Apple kept the same size laptop with the same battery size.

    The battery life increase would've made the price make sense.
     
  11. PaulWog thread starter Suspended

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    You're so off it's incredible.

    Stomps the old MBP in performance? Really? Tell me where the new 13 inch MBP stomps the old one in performance. And please, justify the word stomp.
     
  12. leman macrumors G3

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    I think you are wrong here. Macbook Pro was always, since its initial release, about combining portability and performance. The current release is a logical evolution step in this direction.
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    Faster hardware on every single level? Better battery life? Better display? Better connectivity? Better everything?
     
  13. maflynn Moderator

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    How is the silicon different in Apple's machines then Dells? They use the same components from Intel so I'm not sure how it can be best in the class
     
  14. JaySoul macrumors 68020

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    Bizarrely enough, I'm caring less and less about battery life. Whenever I am using my MBP for work, it pretty much has to be plugged in.
     
  15. flyinmac macrumors 68040

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    Is it too thin?

    I think the real question is... will it blend?

    Those who are size and weight conscious would like to know.
     
  16. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    Dell don't use any 28w processors In their 13 inch machines so no iris 550 graphics with eDRAM cache, no 3.0 ghz clock speeds. As far as I can tell only Sony use the 28w processors in anything at all.....

    The 15 wat processors do have iris in the 540 but the TDP limit is half that of the 28w and can limit the graphics accordingly especially in turbo.
     
  17. leman macrumors G3

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    The Dell is also best in class, obviously (at least if we look at the CPU — and at the 15" model, cause the 13" has weaker ones) :) Just that Apple uses better RAM, more advanced display technology and stuff like that.
     
  18. maflynn Moderator

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    Apple also uses the 15w processor in the 13" non-touch MBP.
     
  19. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    The they do, and that is for me just the retina MacBook Air everyone has been waiting for. However dell do not have 28w options....
     
  20. AdonisSMU, Nov 2, 2016
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    I think Apple can still make it thinner. I'd prefer that with a 15" retina display 16GB and 32GB ram variants.
     
  21. maflynn Moderator

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    Fair enough, but there are other computer makers such as the Razer blade (14") does offer laptops that are running Core i7-6700HQ which has a higher TDP

    So while one Dell may not offer a 28w option, there are other computer makers that offer similar if not better silicone.

    The days of Apple being the only ones offering the best design, components and quality are over. There are other computer makers taking a page from apple and producing some fantastic machines
     
  22. PaulWog thread starter Suspended

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    Your follow-up response, relying on the word "better", shows that you have no clue how little the processing and graphical performance has improved. You said the new Macbook pro "stomps" the old one's performance. It most certainly does not. The improvement in performance is so incredibly minimal.

    It would've been much nicer to see the same size so that they could provide better heat dissipation. They could fit faster performing hardware into the 13" MBP that way, and keep the larger battery in it.

    Imagine the 13" MBP if it were priced as it is right now, but it had ~15-20% faster CPU/GPU performance (than the current 2016 iteration has), and 30%+ better battery life. Granted, the hardware inside (CPU/GPU) might be more expensive by, very roughly, $50 on their end. That would be a possibility if they didn't prioritize thinning the body out.
     
  23. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    The razor blade makes some serious compromises in battery life and it is bigger and heavier but other than that it is a top quality product it can't be denied, it's what I reccomend people to look at if Windows and gaming are what they are after, it is more of a 15 inch MBP competitor for me though.

    I don't disagree that other computer makers have caught up, I still think Apple offers the best overall mobile computing experience I have had, and that the new update is again the top of the pile for a balanced device, but as you say the competition is now fierce....
     
  24. Chicane-UK macrumors 6502

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    I think the point that lots of disgruntled people are trying to make is they wouldn't have cared if the new MBP was heavier or had less good battery life. They'd rather have had the performance, than had thin and light. If they wanted thin and light, they'd have gone for the MacBook.
     

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