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I dont agree. I think its just the vocal minorities being more vocal than ever before. Most of what is being said isnt even based on reality but instead on pure emotion. The people who've actually used the device in person have overwhelmingly positive things to say about them. Sorry.

These people are not what I would call 'minorities'. Their voice and opinions are listened to by many.
As to they have not actually used the device I believe Andy lhnatko has and he loathes the keyboard.
Alex Lindsay is big on video processing and knows exactly what he talks about. That and you do not need to try the device to not like what is either missing or short' that's just plain facts.
 
These people are not what I would call 'minorities'. Their voice and opinions are listened to by many.
As to they have not actually used the device I believe Andy lhnatko has and he loathes the keyboard.
Alex Lindsay is big on video processing and knows exactly what he talks about. That and you do not need to try the device to not like what is either missing or short' that's just plain facts.
Sorry but they are minorities. They don't speak for everyone that listens to them. I know I listen to several reviews but I also make my own decisions. I have a brain and make my own decisions based on what is best for me.
 
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I respectfully disagree. The feedback on here alone is overwhelmingly negative. And that extends right out across many tech news sites, tech bloggers, etc.

Respectfully feedback here is far from the typical Apple user, it's a forum populated by computer nerds and power users of computers of all types!! The same with all tech sites, I know no one in real life that has ever heard of macrumours or any other tech website!!!

Apart from that the reviews I have read have been overwhelmingly positive about the new MacBook pro's, they are clearly a fantastic piece of engineering packing powerful performance and great battery life into a modern and portable form factor with a viable alternative to the universally awful laptop touch screen!!
 
They have the MacBook for that. Here we are talking about their supposedly PRO laptop...

Sure, they could have gone bigger and jammed a 99 Wh battery in there. That'd mean we got a laptop with 12 hours of battery life, not that we'd have anything else different. They won't throw in non-low power memory as even with the biggest possible battery, we'd be at about 6 hours of life. Same for a 1060 dGPU. That's what some of the competition is doing. As a professional, 8+ hours of battery is what I'm after on my PORTABLE machine. Any extreme processing power I have either a desktop or server due the work.
 
As a professional, 8+ hours of battery is what I'm after on my PORTABLE machine. Any extreme processing power I have either a desktop or server due the work.

Well then, buy a MacBook if you do not need processing power, looks like the perfect machine for you...
 
Power users? Like... Pro customers? ;)

No many many professionals use computers for a plethora of different things. The current line up of MacBook pros can perform just about any use case you can think of to a more than adequate level but if you are making a 4K film for Hollywood you will need massive Xeon run desktops with multiple GPU's at some point that's just the state of computing at the moment.

Putting those things in a notebook makes no sense they still won't be great they'll still be constrained by TDP limits and they'll destroy battery life and the user experience with size and weight.

Apple are just avoiding making pointless products for a few 100 twerps that will use a laptop wether it's the best tool for the job or not can't argue with that....
 
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I think the gap between the MacBook and the Pro is still significant The Pro is to too thin.
 
No many many professionals use computers for a plethora of different things. The current line up of MacBook pros can perform just about any use case you can think of to a more than adequate level but if you are making a 4K film for Hollywood you will need massive Xeon run desktops with multiple GPU's at some point that's just the state of computing at the moment.

Putting those things in a notebook makes no sense they still won't be great they'll still be constrained by TDP limits and they'll destroy battery life and the user experience with size and weight.

Apple are just avoiding making pointless products for a few 100 twerps that will use a laptop wether it's the best tool for the job or not can't argue with that....

Think we will have to agree to disagree with each other at this point. I think you're miles off.
 
YES they are to thin!!! they have sacrificed form over function AGAIN and AGAIN
 
You clearly have no understanding of the silicon used by Apple in their pros then they are still the best in class for all their components compared to anything else you can buy!!

Really? I thought apple wasn't using the best laptop cpus anymore.
 
Really? I thought apple wasn't using the best laptop cpus anymore.
You're right. They're not.

Perhaps what he meant was the chips no one thinks about like Wifi, bluetooth, antennae, ect.. These are things Apple does actually come through on. I doubt he did, but the little usability things like wifi antennas are why I'll continue to get screwed by Apple, and not Dell.
 
You're right. They're not.

Perhaps what he meant was the chips no one thinks about like Wifi, bluetooth, antennae, ect.. These are things Apple does actually come through on. I doubt he did, but the little usability things like wifi antennas are why I'll continue to get screwed by Apple, and not Dell.

But they are (at least for the 15") for the CPU as well. There's nothing better in enough quantities. The only place they could of gone better would be the dGPU (nVidia 1060), but that'd kill the battery and could cause future failures due to the increased TDP (70w vs the AMD 35). Also wouldn't be possible to stick with USB-C only on the laptop as that's limited to 100W total.
 
The ultra thin thing works great on the 12", even though the keyboard is terrible. But that's just the 12, and you would have thought they would have realized that this type of keyboard isn't optimal, and avoided the trend continuing into their pro line
 
As a longtime Macbook Air user, who really likes the thinness of the Air and its light weight I feel like with the current size of the new Pro's Apple finally got it right. The last model wasn't that thick, but to me being used to the Air it felt bulky and heavy. I think the new models hit the sweet spot for thinness and weight.
 
As a longtime Macbook Air user, who really likes the thinness of the Air and its light weight I feel like with the current size of the new Pro's Apple finally got it right. The last model wasn't that thick, but to me being used to the Air it felt bulky and heavy. I think the new models hit the sweet spot for thinness and weight.

yes, but there's a concern about the keyboard. I think this is going to be criticized quite a bit, i'm afraid.
 
yes, but there's a concern about the keyboard. I think this is going to be a lightning rod.

True, but the keyboard is a separate issue from the thinness and weight. I also think the oversized trackpad is going to be a lightening rod too. Some folks are ok with it, while it bothers others. Some report the palm control works fine, others say they get errors. So yes, the keyboard and trackpad may turn out to the the achilles heel for the new models regardless of the other factors.
 
Both sides have valid points. The question you have to ask yourself is do you want an Apple that just does what people want or a company that pushes the envelope and sometimes goes too far? They went too far this time. HDMI is still a standard that will be around for the next 5 years. But that's Apple, they jump the gun. Shouldn't be surprising.
 
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