iPhone Is there an option to roll back to IOS 7 after upgrading to IOS 8.1.1

[Bahroo]

Nope... and nope...The beauty of Android is that you can go back to any version you want... This is pretty sweet...

Why would you ever go back to a worse Android version? "i wanna go back to JellyBean from Kitkat/Lollipop" said no one ever

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I agree with you. So do a lot of people.

"So do alot of people", do you mean a very small section on the internet, on a website, in the pockets and depth of vastly wide and big internet, on a website forum, is "alot of people" ? A few people out of millions upon millions of people? Lol wow....cause that is beyond far from alot of people

 

[C DM]

Why would you ever go back to a worse Android version? "i wanna go back to JellyBean from Kitkat/Lollipop" said no one ever

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"So do alot of people", do you mean a very small section on the internet, on a website, in the pockets and depth of vastly wide and big internet, on a website forum, is "alot of people" ? A few people out of millions upon millions of people? Lol wow....cause that is beyond far from alot of people

To be fair, 1000 people is a drop in a bucket compared to the total population in the billions, yet many would refer to 1000 people as a lot of people nonetheless. Multiple ways of looking at things, doesn't necessarily mean that one is wrong over another. More importantly though, it doesn't necessarily make the underlying item (in this case being able to downgrade) somehow less worthy just because many might not care about it or might not want it--many important things in life happened or at least started out when only a few people recognized them and wanted something to be done about them.

 

[I7guy]

To be fair, 1000 people is a drop in a bucket compared to the total population in the billions, yet many would refer to 1000 people as a lot of people nonetheless. Multiple ways of looking at things, doesn't necessarily mean that one is wrong over another. More importantly though, it doesn't necessarily make the underlying item (in this case being able to downgrade) somehow less worthy just because many might not care about it or might not want it--many important things in life happened or at least started out when only a few people recognized them and wanted something to be done about them.

If millions of people stopped buying Apple products because downgrades were not possible, Apple would listen. If 1000 people did the same Apple wouldn't care, it would cost more to alter their organization to make it happen.

On a side note, I thought iTunes allows downgrade for a fully backed up phone. Never tried so I don't really know.

 

[C DM]

If millions of people stopped buying Apple products because downgrades were not possible, Apple would listen. If 1000 people did the same Apple wouldn't care, it would cost more to alter their organization to make it happen.

On a side note, I thought iTunes allows downgrade for a fully backed up phone. Never tried so I don't really know.

Right, but those are marketing and business decisions. They don't always relate to reality of issues that might be there and are usually based on what's better for the company (often even in the sense of what they can basically get away with even if they know something is actually wrong or needs to be addressed).

As for downgrading, being able to install a particular firmware version depends on whether Apple is signing it or not, and usually they don't sign versions other than the latest (sometimes the one right before it as well, but usually only for a short period of time after a new update has been released).

 

[I7guy]

Right, but those are marketing and business decisions. They don't always relate to reality of issues that might be there and are usually based on what's better for the company (often even in the sense of what they can basically get away with even if they know something is actually wrong or needs to be addressed).

As for downgrading, being able to install a particular firmware version depends on whether Apple is signing it or not, and usually they don't sign versions other than the latest (sometimes the one right before it as well, but usually only for a short period of time after a new update has been released).

So you are basically saying Apple knows it releases buggy software and to heck with its customers?

 

[C DM]

So you are basically saying Apple knows it releases buggy software and to heck with its customers?

What I'm saying is that like every company Apple weighs the risk of the issues that might exist over what they would need to do to address them. Depending on which one is more risky and/or more costly for them they decide on a course of action. So far allowing downgrades appears to be more of a risk/hassle and perhaps more expensive on their side then to have some people experience some issues. Even if doing that would essentially be a better and more aporiate thing for their customers overall.

It's an unfortunate reality that most business go through and isn't something that always results in good/right things--like a company not doing something because not enough people in their eyes experienced problems until some other entity gets involved and recalls start to happen and a company is tarnished in some way because of that, even though they probably could have taken care of the issue themselves much earlier and simpler with some effort and cost to them. It's definitely not as drastic when it comes to iOS, but it's in that similar line of thinking.

 

[DomC]

What I'm saying is that like every company Apple weighs the risk of the issues that might exist over what they would need to do to address them. Depending on which one is more risky and/or more costly for them they decide on a course of action. So far allowing downgrades appears to be more of a risk/hassle and perhaps more expensive on their side then to have some people experience some issues. Even if doing that would essentially be a better and more aporiate thing for their customers overall.

I think along with the risk/hassle is the thought of dealing with the marketing fallout of users going backwards from the latest release which they have touted as being the best thing they've done to that point. Can you imagine along with the stats on the conversion rate to the new OS there would be figures on users who have used it and reverted? Not a good chart to be mentioned during an investor conference call!

 

[Armen]

If you read MR forums, you will never upgrade/update anything on any of your devices......

amen to that. So many doomsayers in here.

 

[CB1234]

amen to that. So many doomsayers in here.

I think, my message in the post was lost on the person I replied to..

It's amazing how some people will turn anything Apple does or doesn't into something negative..

If you follow the thread on Front page of Apple's record breaking market capitalisation, and you will be surprised how few of them put a negative spin on the news !! Unbelievable. Some of them talk as if they are Warren Buffet themselves.

It's a real shame, because all the threads which are genuine and people who really need help get buried in the cesspool...

 

[MisakixMikasa]

What exactly is beautiful and sweet about losing features and gaining vulnerabilities by going back to an earlier version of an OS?

At least I know that by going back my devices won't runs like crap? Looking at you, iPhone 4S with iOS 8. 4S runs like crap, I care less about security hole with slow as hell devices. I am refusing upgrade to iOS 8 for my iPod Touch and iPad mini, even that expose me to rhe security hole.

It isn't like the new OS is free of security holes.

 

[Armen]

At least I know that by going back my devices won't runs like crap? Looking at you, iPhone 4S with iOS 8. 4S runs like crap, I care less about security hole with slow as hell devices. I am refusing upgrade to iOS 8 for my iPod Touch and iPad mini, even that expose me to rhe security hole.

It isn't like the new OS is free of security holes.

To each his own. You want to run an outdated OS with vulnerabilities? Go for it.

My iPad mini may not run as fast as it did on iOS 6 but I don't care. I get to answer phone calls with it now so new features are always welcome to having the same old device.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

To each his own. You want to run an outdated OS with vulnerabilities? Go for it.

My iPad mini may not run as fast as it did on iOS 6 but I don't care. I get to answer phone calls with it now so new features are always welcome to having the same old device.

So you want to deal with devices that takes few seconds for keyboard to pop up, Safari constantly freeze, takes a moment to switch between apps? No thanks, I rather want living with outdated software and securities holes. I rather want iOS 7 on my A5 devices than iOS 8. iOS 8 can found its home at newer devices.

 

[geeshiet]

Nope that's not true.



Case in point. Samsung GS4. Once they updated past a certain point, you could no longer use Loki to bypass the bootloader.



Fortunately when I still had mine, I already had a custom recovery and ROM installed and was safe, but once people updated they were stuck. Never to be able to downgrade or install ROMs again.



As far as Apple, I really think they should be gracious and just start signing older iOS versions for people with older devices. That would be the decent thing to do.



Even though I know better, but like an idiot, I still updated my iPad 2 to iOS 8 and it runs like crap. Actually I should have stayed on 6 and never installed 7.



So now I am contemplating buying an Air 2 just because my iPad 2 is messed up now.

He said "android" not Samsung Galaxy s4. He's talking about other android phones as well.... So you're wrong.

 

[Armen]

So you want to deal with devices that takes few seconds for keyboard to pop up, Safari constantly freeze, takes a moment to switch between apps? No thanks, I rather want living with outdated software and securities holes. I rather want iOS 7 on my A5 devices than iOS 8. iOS 8 can found its home at newer devices.

I'm running iOS 8.1.1 on my wife's iPad 2 and my 1st gen iPad mini and don't have the problems you are describing.

 

[MaXimus666]

So you want to deal with devices that takes few seconds for keyboard to pop up, Safari constantly freeze, takes a moment to switch between apps? No thanks, I rather want living with outdated software and securities holes. I rather want iOS 7 on my A5 devices than iOS 8. iOS 8 can found its home at newer devices.

I hear you man, the iOS 8 made my iPhone 4S way too slow for my liking. I was forced to sell it and buy an iPhone 6

 

[Tech198]

i this was a way then then users who do not like would have found a solution already.

Unfortunately, Apple stops signing preventing restoring. Even though you can find website that point to apps servers that claim u can restore to previous versions, Apple doesn't prevent you from downloading, bit it does prevent you from restore in iTunes.

Thus, raises the question, if the old ones don't work anyway, why does Apple keep them ? or at least move them for archive storage, and not make them publicly available.

There is a legit reason why i didn't upgrade till 8.1.1 .....

 

[Tyler23]

i this was a way then then users who do not like would have found a solution already.

Unfortunately, Apple stops signing preventing restoring. Even though you can find website that point to apps servers that claim u can restore to previous versions, Apple doesn't prevent you from downloading, bit it does prevent you from restore in iTunes.

Thus, raises the question, if the old ones don't work anyway, why does Apple keep them ? or at least move them for archive storage, and not make them publicly available.

There is a legit reason why i didn't upgrade till 8.1.1 .....

Apple doesn't prevent you from downloading them because the files are hosted on third party sites..

 

[Tech198]

Apple doesn't prevent you from downloading them because the files are hosted on third party sites..

No their not,,,, their hosted on Apple's servers, since Apple doesn't allow third party sites to host them, just link them. OS X daily is one


Can u provide me with one that does?

 

[m4v3r1ck]

Excuse me for chiming in! When backing up your iPhone and/or iPad prior to an iOS upgrade you can revert to your factory iOS?

I would like to try iOS 8 on my iPad 3, but still have the iPhone 4 on iOS 7. Can I then still sync / backup with iCloud?

Thanks!

 

[Tech198]

Excuse me for chiming in! When backing up your iPhone and/or iPad prior to an iOS upgrade you can revert to your factory iOS?

I would like to try iOS 8 on my iPad 3, but still have the iPhone 4 on iOS 7. Can I then still sync / backup with iCloud?

Thanks!

If you saying can you restore from a earlier version of an iOS Backup then what is different, no..

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203434

Should be ok syncing, but any iOS8 specific features like iCloud drive won't work on iOS 7, and u may have problems opening documents which were dine in the latest/previous version of an app. Any cloud stuff like "working on a document in the cloud" should be ok.
http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/?cid=wwa-au-kwg-features-com

 

[m4v3r1ck]

If you saying can you restore from a earlier version of an iOS Backup then what is different, no..

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203434

Should be ok syncing, but any iOS8 specific features like iCloud drive won't work on iOS 7, and u may have problems opening documents which were dine in the latest/previous version of an app. Any cloud stuff like "working on a document in the cloud" should be ok.
http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/?cid=wwa-au-kwg-features-com

Thanks for your info's!

So after updating my iPad3 to iOS 8 I cannot restore an iOS 7 backup made with the same iPad3 because iOS 8 won't see the iOS 7 backup I made in iCloud? How about a local backup on the Mac, the same issue?

Thanks!