is there any actual benefits for video/photo processing on mac ?

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  1. baris3 macrumors member

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    hi,

    i would like to know if mac is superior with video/photo processing over windows. if so, what are these actual benefits of using a mac ?
     
  2. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    The benefits of using a Mac lies on OS X itself, the retina display, great hardware and the trackpad.

    Mac uses PC parts, so if you were to compare a PC with the exact same hardware as the Mac, both would perform almost identically, but a Mac will work out overall better (for me, at least), because of the great software integration and stability.

    Windows is just plain junk to me.
     
  3. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    No

    It's not superior as such. The benefits come from the great hardware the great software and stability and ease of use. This can seriously up your productivity if you are not fiddling around with restarts, drivers, downloads, upgrades etc etc etc. Applecare means apple will fix it for three years as well just wander into an apple shop.

    You can make a much more powerful PC for the same money as a mac but if you spend half your work time fiddling with it the few hundreds of dollars you save on doing all this yourself will soon be lost.

    To be honest though you have posted this in the macbook pro section and a laptop is never ideal for doing video or photo work the screens are too small and the GPU and CPU is always a compromise with power used, a desktop is almost always a better option for productivity be that apple or another manufacturer.
     
  4. zeemeerman2 macrumors 6502

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    I wouldn't say there were any benefits to what you can do, rather than how you do it. There might used to be, but everything can be replicated at Windows or Mac nowadays.

    Similarly to using different apps for the same function, just because you like the workflow of one app more than another, you might like the workflow of OS X more.

    As the previous post mentions, you will have a high-resolution retina display at a 16:10 ratio.
    This means you can show your full movie screenwide, with some space above or below for additional editing tools.
    Though you might want to take two 16:9 screens in Windows, one for tools and another for full-screen movie display. Same result, different workflow.
     
  5. baris3 thread starter macrumors member

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    hi, how are you doing friend :) thank you for your response.

    i don't think windows is plain junk neither os x. they both have advantages over each other. as you said only advantage of a macbook would be it's retina display. but new asus gaming series going for 4k uhd displays too. do you think can this displays compete with retina display ?

    macs are not immune to any crash since it's just a computer like windows machines. i don't now much about integration part though. that's why im asking if there is any benefits over windows.

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    thank you for your response.

    since i travel a lot and planning to travel in future, i need a macbook. and you can always hook it up to an external display. by the way the hardware is the same, i was asking about actual benefits, not simple details like you mentioned.
     
  6. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    They are real benefits workflow and stability is the best thing about macs if you prefer their way of doing things. They are not immune to crashing but ion my experience it happens far less as do restarts.

    If you mean does it have better hardware?? Then no it doesn't as you point out that is the same as what evryone else is using Trackpads excepted).

    The only other "benefit" is FCPX if you like this software for video editing it is only available on OSX...
     
  7. baris3 thread starter macrumors member

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    thanks for your response.

    there are windows machines coming up with 4k displays, 15.6". so we can get the same workflow like we had in retina display at a 16:10 ratio ? the only high-resolution machines were macbooks since 2012, but now 4k is common and upcoming gaming notebooks have 4k displays too. what do you think about it ?
     
  8. baris3 thread starter macrumors member

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    i've used first generation 2012 retina macbook and it seemed more stable too in terms of software, of course. both os's have their advantages. however apple always down-grade the hardware and make it too pricey which is a turn-off for me. i just don't get it why people see mac machines a necessity for photography/video processing.

    and since there is no benefits of FCPX over any video processing software, it seems i won't buying any mac computer even i don't like windows machines.
     
  9. leman macrumors 604

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    No and none. There, I have said it :D

    The only reason this urban myth persists is because Mac used to have better photo/video editing software. For instance, Photoshop was initially a Mac-only application. However, that was 20 years ago.

    In fact, I'd say that Windows profession photo/video editing software is superior to OS X. So if you are a photo/video professional, go Windows unless you prefer Mac for some reason.
     
  10. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    They don't "downgrade" hardware

    In fact they use the best intel CPU's for their TDP needs with better iGPU's (hardly anyone uses the mobile chips with the iris and iris pro's except apple) than anyone else, they tend to use the best available dGPU's for their thermal and power design at the time of the design and development (the 750M is outdated now but was the best available at that TDP when the haswell rMBP's were designed). And I'm sure they'll have the best new NVIDIA (950M or 960M) when the broadwell chips are finally available. (although this is a hotly contested topic)

    If I was you I'd look at a razer blade or another gaming computer that'll give you the best possible hardware in a portable form. You won't get as good battery life, it'll probably be noisier maybe fatter and almost definitely heavier. But if all you want is performance a PC with windows is always the way to go.
     
  11. z31fanatic macrumors 6502a

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    Using a Mac has no advantage in video and photo editing. It's a total myth.
    More often than not, it's the other way around because you can get more powerful hardware for the same money or sometimes even less money than from a Mac.
    It's ok to prefer doing your work on a Mac because you prefer Mac OS, but don't tell me it's an advantage. It is just not true.

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    Maybe you have used XP and Vista?
    Windows 7 and 8.1 are rock stable, especially on powerful hardware that photo/video editors use.
     
  12. baris3 thread starter macrumors member

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    well, razer blade is like windows/gaming version of macbook, it has a sleek design like macbook pro's. but it has 14" screen which is actually small. i don't care about noise or heaviness as far as display and performance is good. the point is you can still carry a bulky notebook with you anywhere.

    a month ago, i was thinking about buying an asus n751jk which has 17" 1920x1080 IPS display.. as i mentioned at previous posts, now im waiting for new G501 which has a 15.6-inch 4K/UHD display. and it is not bulky like other asus gaming notebooks.

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    i would prefer mac's for only it's retina display, but now windows gaming notebooks going for 4k uhd, so there is no reason to prefer mac for me.

    that urban myth you are talking about is very strange. holywood films producers does not use any mac-related software as far as i know. it's just a force of habit as you said.
     
  13. ronjon10 macrumors regular

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    In the old days, the pro-sumer level software for photo/video/graphics editing was better on Macs. That hasn't been true in a long time.

    The best reason to get a Mac is for the hardware. Definitely don't want to start the OS wars again, but both vendors put out software that lets you click on an icon to start a third party app. Each OS wraps that functionality with many functions which range from indispensable to bloat depending on your workflows and preferences.
     
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    Sure there are! It makes me feel like a P - R - O.

    It turns my unapologetically average photo/video work into discerning examples of style and curated design.

    loll
     
  16. yangchewren macrumors regular

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    As a final year college student who has made numerous frivolous videos I have to agree with this, particularly with regards to Adobe Premiere.

    It appears that the power throttling on my MBP and the general bugginess of Premiere on OS X (though on fault of adobe) makes my PC a better workstation to get my video projects done on - rendering is faster and preview settings can be set at 1/2 quality instead of 1/4. Now many may argue that I'm comparing a laptop to a PC and that thermal throttling doesn't happen often on a PC due to its larger size. But I'm saying power throttling, or the fact that the limits of the CPU are artificially imposed.

    Comparison b/w a 2011 Sandy Bridge era i5 PC and a 2013 15" Haswell rMBP
     
  17. leman macrumors 604

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    Well, its fairly obvious that a desktop is less likely to throttle. It has much more thermal headroom than a cramped laptop. Don't forget that the CPUs used in desktops and laptops are identical. While modern laptop CPUs have come a very long way and are actually equal to the desktop ones for short bursts of activity, a desktop will always fare better in sustained high performance scenario. Its just physics.

    The main issue is software. Most serious editing software nowadays is developed for Windows and tested on Windows. There is no wonder it works (slightly) better on Windows. On the other side, applications like Pixelmator etc. show very clearly that OS X is an amazing platform for developing great software. its just something one needs to invest effort into.
     
  18. Freyqq macrumors 68040

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    There are some programs that only run in OSX, like final cut. But, most like the adobe suite are identical on osx and windows. Any superiority comes from the hardware quality and your typical OSX vs Windows arguments.

    You're on a mac board, so everyone here will tell you how great OSX is. My opinion is that OSX is 1) prettier, 2) better UI, 3) tools like mission control are very useful keeping productivity up, and 4) better stability/reliability. Windows is better at 1) much faster in benchmarks, 2) larger software library, and 3) new hardware is available immediately rather than whenever apple gets around to it (see Mac Pro).
     
  19. maflynn Moderator

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    If you look at the hardware, i.e., the mac. Then no it has no benefits compared to a PC. I think many people prefer it, because of the complete package, the hardware, the OS and the software.
     
  20. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    And this will happen

    With any thin light quiet laptop, the thermal limits will cause throttling it doesn't matter who makes it. If you don't want that in a laptop you'll have to buy a big thick noisy 17 inch beast that weighs 7-8 lbs good luck carrying that around. The best laptop is always the one you have with you...
     
  21. yangchewren macrumors regular

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    That was what I was trying to highlight. The throttling is due to a limit of max power consumption and not heat. Haswell rMBPs run ridiculously cool at roughly 75 degrees on max load without the AC on. I have no doubts that the 15" rMBP has a sufficient cooling system, its the 85w powerbrick that sets an artificial limit.

    Other users have long established that the latest generation of 15" rmbp suffers from power throttling and not thermal throttling. What I'm trying to inform OP about is that such an artificial limit exists.
     
  22. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    Thats just not true...

    Search the threads on the rMBP forum and there are dozens about temps over 95 degress when pushing the 15 inch rMBP to it's limits, if you don't get above 75 then you aren't anywhere near it's limits. Yes there is limits when on AC and the rMBP can draw power from the battery to compensate. However if your workload requires this power and performance you have bought the wrong tool for the job simple as that.
     
  23. yangchewren macrumors regular

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    The Haswell 15", that's the one from 2013... I would consider prime95 and furmark for half an hour about a good estimate of how hot things can get, especially so in the tropics**. And the history of power/thermal throttling posts on this forum is very long, not forgetting the SMC update which some claimed altered the behaviour of how power is drawn when on the battery. **I meant air conditioner by AC.
     
  24. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    Ac??

    If you mean the cooling system (2 fans in the 15 inch rMBP) then that is always on at low speeds and ramps up when needed.
     
  25. baris3 thread starter macrumors member

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    thanks all for the replies. obviously that asus's new g501 gaming notebook is far better than a rMBP now. asus gaming notebooks was not sleek and thin, nor had aluminium case like rMBP's, but now g501 is and it has better display than a rMBP, plus thunderbolt.

    i wonder if it would be worth it for waiting new 15" rMBP's. i'd feel regretful if apple will release a base model rMBP with discrete cpu and better display after i purchase an g501. it depends on the price too, if i'd wanted to buy a g501 it will cost me 2000$.
     

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