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However, let's be real. Everyone always says if you don't like, don't buy it and vote with your wallet.....as that will induce a change in behavior. However, one guy voting with his wallet will not influence any change.

Very true. One person alone won't effect any substantive change. Yet in sufficient numbers there is significant power. The trick is to achieve those numbers.

Therein lies the rub
All ONE person can do is shop around and find their best deal and move on
If ENOUGH people are concerned and do that, it can bring about change
At this point, not nearly enough people are moved to make a change

IMO, most of the people who are outraged are young(er) people who "want everything for nothing"
In other words, they feel entitled to unlimited data at a rock bottom bargain price
And their outrage is towards the big bad corporate companies who don't give them what they want and are interested in making a profit instead

Supply and demand serves to somewhat regulate cost and benefits
AT&T and Verizon don't have to offer unlimited data or drop costs because people are willing to pay
And because most people have no real need for unlimited data and aren't shopping for it
 
Sure, it's downgraded service but imho, it's a good middle ground which you were saying didn't exist. Reasonable rates and data caps, decent speed and AT&T coverage. Cricket's much faster than most free wifi hotspots I've connected to. Heck, where I work, AT&T proper is just 2-4 Mbps faster than Cricket. :rolleyes:

I concede the point.
 
:mad: I am sure A LOT of people are tired of the unfair prices of a bad valued service. No unlimited data from Verizon or AT&T...Super expensive and barely any data for a fair price. T-Mobile is the only hope left...
People needs to talk or do something. What's the point of having high speed LTE data if you will be limited to around 200MB - 1GB of data ? Complaining because the size of webpages images videos and apps has all increased with the whole new iPhone 6 Plus resolution. So of course the phone is going to use up more data. Stupid how they want $100 dollars a month for JUST 10GB of data for Verizon. Not including the phone/text plan and taxes.

Here are my views on the subject:

- Unlimited data plans need to completely go away.

Too many people abuse the "unlimited" data plans they have and cause an uneccessary load on the network which in turn causes slow downs for the rest of us when we actually need the speed.

Perfect example is a co-worker of mine. He streams Pandora/Spotify all day at work over cellular and when I ask him why he does this considering we have Wifi at work he replies "Because I can".

- Carriers SHOULD offer up to 10GB data plans at an affordable price and throttle users who go over until their billing cycle resets.
 
Might not be free roaming, but I believe it's still cheaper than international roaming is for us.

Also, prepaid plans are quite prevalent in Europe and not really as limited as they are in the US. So you can just buy a SIM from another country and load a few Euro on it when necessary.

They may also have some special plans like we have here for Canada and Mexico. I never really looked into it in depth

Right. I was just trying to point out that it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. All of Europe is about half the size of the US and roaming is not included. It's about as common for Europeans to take holiday (or even just quickly travel) in another country as it is for us to take it in another state.

Things could and should definitely be cheaper for us here. But part of the reason 10 pounds get you so far in a country the size of Vermont is because it's a country the size of Vermont. :)
 
if the phone carriers are supergreedy then whats apple?

last I check,
Verizon profit margin is ~11%
AT&T profit margin is ~9%


Apples around 20%.
 
If you can't beat them, join them. Buy stock in Verizon stock symbol VZ or AT&T stock symbol T.

If someone on this forum buys 51% of Verizon, they take control of Verizon and force Verizon to give out Unlimited data for $10. (This is a joke)


I own some shares of the big 4 wireless carriers. (This is not a joke)
 
Here are my views on the subject:



- Unlimited data plans need to completely go away.



Too many people abuse the "unlimited" data plans they have and cause an uneccessary load on the network which in turn causes slow downs for the rest of us when we actually need the speed.



Perfect example is a co-worker of mine. He streams Pandora/Spotify all day at work over cellular and when I ask him why he does this considering we have Wifi at work he replies "Because I can".



- Carriers SHOULD offer up to 10GB data plans at an affordable price and throttle users who go over until their billing cycle resets.


I stream all day too. 55gb a month. Sweet.
 
To the OP, if you think you'll get any serious discussion about this topic on here good luck. You'll get jokes and the same old tired BS: "Don't give them your money!". I already had a thread on this.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1796527/

The problem is that there is effectively hardly any choice for consumers when it comes to mobile carriers in many countries. It's always 3 or 4 choices (slightly more in some places). This is an industry that will never be in a perfect state of competition because of the nature of the business. That is, wireless spectrum throughout a country must be leased out to the incumbents. The barriers to entry are huge which is what makes it a dessert for competition.

The problem is that the industry almost wants to be public in a way. I'm for privatization and capitalism, but the government is so intertwined in wireless communications because of the wireless spectrum within a country and the requirement for companies to use such spectrum to provide cell service.

I also think that communications, like health, is more of a right than a privilege. Everybody should be connected. That includes people who have little money. The fact that a typical cell plan that gives a user some freedom to talk, text, and surf pushes $80 per month (still limited)... and all of the little things cell carriers charge consumers for adds up... it's expensive to run a cell phone. It's like we haven't made any progress: the cost to run cell phones today aren't really any better than they were 15-20 years ago.

Sure, we have better features like text messages and multi-touch, but the expense is as high as ever. And the cost of mobile phones themselves is insane: a 128 GB iPhone 6 Plus almost costs as much outright as an entry iMac desktop computer.

It seems like just yesterday we were reading about iPhone first Gen. users back in the day getting boxes sent to them from AT&T which included their 1 month bill. Bills that pushed $16,000 or more in one month. That's because of roaming. And this stuff still exists today.

Well, the lid has already been blown off the farce that is roaming. Look to Canada for wireless innovation. The government here has stepped in and began breaking up what consumers have been demanding: unfair profiteering. For instance, the CAN government has made it much cheaper for customers of WIND to roam on other networks through much needed regulation and new policies. It's several times cheaper for consumers now. They looked at it and realized consumers were getting raped and also consumers pressured them.

There's much work to be done.
 
t-mo is not any cheaper

Uhh, yes it is. At least it would be for me. I've calculated it before.

They have a 30 dollar plan with 100 mins talk and unlimited data/text. Buy unlocked and get that and you save a LOT. If you need more talk you can just get the 50 dollar plan and it's still cheaper.
 
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