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I'm not pretending that this is a medical diagnosis, but I wanted to see if some people have any experience with this. My wife is 61 and I'm noticing more and more instances that I find worrying. Both of these occurred within the last two weeks.

1. I do the grocery shopping and she writes down whatever items she needs. A new item appeared on the list, Knudsen's "Simply Nutritious" Morning Blend Juice.

I went shopping and didn't see the product. When I got home I explained that I had bought everything except that item. She told me the store where I would likely find it, and I started a new list, with that item (written exactly as she had) for the next time I went shopping.

The next morning, she's looking at the new list with that one item on it, and asks, "what's this?" She didn't recognize the very item she had asked for and we talked about the previous day.

2. She bought a new car that she's been driving for nearly a year. Last week, while we were both in the car, I pointed to the Emergency Lights button which is displayed prominently and remarked that I hadn't noticed it in all the times I've been in the car. She agreed that she also hadn't taken notice of that button.

One week later, we driving off to a restaurant and she points to that same button and asks, "What's that?" I told her it's the button that activates the emergency flashing lights, to which she replies, "Oh. I've never noticed it before."
 
hard to say, with mom it started off with her not knowing if she had ate, or who had visited, or what day it was :(
seems too soon to tell in your case, but I sure wish you the best, hear dark chocolate helps
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There have been more than a few times when I've come home from work and found a bowl of soup in the microwave that she had intended to eat for lunch ... but forgot about.
 
Your best bet is to have her examined by a medical professional. The earlier Alzheimer is identified, the better the treatment can be. Waiting only makes matters worse, both emotionally, but also health wise.

No doubt. I have expressed my concerns to her.

But she's not good with mortality, and she's really not okay with the idea of Alzheimer's. I don't want to turn this into a no-win situation, but I can't force her to face the fact's (if those actually are the facts) and I don't know if she's capable of handling it if it were diagnosed.
 
There have been more than a few times when I've come home from work and found a bowl of soup in the microwave that she had intended to eat for lunch ... but forgot about.
time to see the DR for some test. mom developed it near the end, she passed at 94 . Alzheimer's is not easy , hope your wife gets the best treatment available and wish you the best.
 
I would definitely have her checked out. My dad has had several mini strokes. The first one I happened to be home visiting them (I was an adult and living in a different state). My dad was reading the newspaper and was flabbergasted to learn that Payne Stewart the golfer had died, as he and my mom had attended the US Open he had won earlier that year. The problem is that his plane had crashed several months earlier, and it seemed to be breaking news to my dad. He has had several others since then, but none have been debilitating.

But with your wife, there are any number of things that could cause memory loss, some of which might be treatable, or something that you could do to reduce the progression.

I hope all is well with her.
 
I would definitely have her checked out. My dad has had several mini strokes. The first one I happened to be home visiting them (I was an adult and living in a different state). My dad was reading the newspaper and was flabbergasted to learn that Payne Stewart the golfer had died, as he and my mom had attended the US Open he had won earlier that year. The problem is that his plane had crashed several months earlier, and it seemed to be breaking news to my dad. He has had several others since then, but none have been debilitating.

But with your wife, there are any number of things that could cause memory loss, some of which might be treatable, or something that you could do to reduce the progression.

I hope all is well with her.

You bring up a really good point that there may be other causes to the memory loss.

But then the question is how best to prod her into looking into it. I have mentioned that I've seen episodes like these that I find very concerning, only to have her ask what other things are examples. Well, I haven't committed to writing down every time something has happened, so she's able to brush it off.

Perhaps it's time to start a journal.
 
Could be dementia. My mum has this and it is a slow progression. wishing you the best. Be patient with her.


Just to be clear, dementia is a general term for cognitive degeneration, Alzheimer's being a specific disease that can cause such symptoms - also Parkinson's, stroke, different vascular diseases.

Side note: best of luck with your Mom, this is a disease that's as tough on family and friends as it is on the patient.
 
I'm definitely not in the medical field, but I will just add that a diagnosis by a medical professional is always a good idea to try and get to the bottom of it.

Just as an example, my grandfather passed away at 93, and before he was eaten up with prostate cancer his mind was as clear and sharp as any MOST of the time.

He had COPD, however, and when his blood oxygen was very low he would show symptoms that could easily be interpreted as dementia. Within a couple of minutes of getting a few puffs of oxygen, he'd be back to normal.

That's not a diagnosis, but just something that I personally observed. When he first started having serious COPD problems, he would only need oxygen occasionally, although it did progress to full time.

I'll also add that he was quite physically fit(not much over 100lbs, and still mowing his yard on the side of a mountain and keeping a full garden when he was 90) but 50 years of smoking and multiple bouts of pneumonia took their toll.
 
Just to be clear, dementia is a general term for cognitive degeneration, Alzheimer's being a specific disease that can cause such symptoms - also Parkinson's, stroke, different vascular diseases.

Side note: best of luck with your Mom, this is a disease that's as tough on family and friends as it is on the patient.
Yes, I understand that. That is why I mentioned dementia as opposed to Alzheimer’s.
 
To the OP: at times does your wife seem to struggle finding the right words while talking with you? Does she misplace things and later you find them in strange and often inappropriate locations? (Example, a wallet or checkbook seemingly goes missing and then is found in the refrigerator or under a bed?) Does she seem to be a little confused when driving or walking, even in familiar areas? Does she tend to be suspicious about other people and their motives, even long-time friends?

Yes, the term "dementia" definitely applies to several diseases and conditions, and it is important to be able to identify the symptoms and the underlying causes. In addition to Alzheimer's, vascular dementia is common, and while not as common, Lewy Body Dementia also is a factor in some cases. It can be difficult to pinpoint the exact causes in some situations, as many behaviors of people with dementia can be quite similar.

Definitely start making notes when you notice something that doesn't seem quite "right," even if it is a seemingly small thing. I agree with everyone who has said that it is important to get your wife to a doctor for an assessment as soon as possible. There are medications available which can be helpful (although not curative) and the sooner you know exactly what is going on with her, the better.
 
There would have to be family history. Dementia is another issue, but so are an imbalance of vitamins that, over a long term basis, may cause cognitive function to decrease. The former two aren't linear in nature. Certain RX drugs may also contribute to brain fog.

Ideally, you can speak to her doctor and set up a discreet "annual" and have them check your wife out up there.
 
He had COPD, however, and when his blood oxygen was very low he would show symptoms that could easily be interpreted as dementia. Within a couple of minutes of getting a few puffs of oxygen, he'd be back to normal.

That's not a diagnosis, but just something that I personally observed. When he first started having serious COPD problems, he would only need oxygen occasionally, although it did progress to full time.

A good friend on mine heads up internal medicine at a local hospital group - he told me (as a result of an issue with a parent), it extremely common for older patients to present fairly extreme dementia-like symptoms as a result of things like a UTI. Underlying issue solved, cognitive acuity returns.

As folks get older it can be tricky to isolate typical decline in memory, thinking, etc., vs. a more drastic concern.

@citizenzen Definitely get to the doc, get some initial diagnostics, there's some incredible treatment options if it is something, and if it's not, you'll get some peace. I dealt with this with a family member, and their lack of proactive medical follow up definitely made things worse.
 
There would have to be family history. Dementia is another issue, but so are an imbalance of vitamins that, over a long term basis, may cause cognitive function to decrease. The former two aren't linear in nature. Certain RX drugs may also contribute to brain fog.

Ideally, you can speak to her doctor and set up a discreet "annual" and have them check your wife out up there.

I have thought of that. I'm beginning to think that's the best plan.
 
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No doubt. I have expressed my concerns to her.

But she's not good with mortality, and she's really not okay with the idea of Alzheimer's. I don't want to turn this into a no-win situation, but I can't force her to face the fact's (if those actually are the facts) and I don't know if she's capable of handling it if it were diagnosed.

Sorry to hear this. It sounds like dementia too me, but does not preclude Alzheimer’s. My mother had dementia and her short term memory degraded to a point where she did not know what she was doing 5 min ago, although her long term memory held up and she knew everyone until she passed away for reasons other than dementia.

Does your wife get physicals? It might be possible to to talk to your Doctor and he may be crafty enough to suggest some testing with or without implicating you. He might also be able to advise you without telling her directly the hard facts, but I don’t know if that is considered kosher.
 
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I'm not pretending that this is a medical diagnosis, but I wanted to see if some people have any experience with this. My wife is 61 and I'm noticing more and more instances that I find worrying. Both of these occurred within the last two weeks.

1. I do the grocery shopping and she writes down whatever items she needs. A new item appeared on the list, Knudsen's "Simply Nutritious" Morning Blend Juice.

I went shopping and didn't see the product. When I got home I explained that I had bought everything except that item. She told me the store where I would likely find it, and I started a new list, with that item (written exactly as she had) for the next time I went shopping.

The next morning, she's looking at the new list with that one item on it, and asks, "what's this?" She didn't recognize the very item she had asked for and we talked about the previous day.

2. She bought a new car that she's been driving for nearly a year. Last week, while we were both in the car, I pointed to the Emergency Lights button which is displayed prominently and remarked that I hadn't noticed it in all the times I've been in the car. She agreed that she also hadn't taken notice of that button.

One week later, we driving off to a restaurant and she points to that same button and asks, "What's that?" I told her it's the button that activates the emergency flashing lights, to which she replies, "Oh. I've never noticed it before."

The examples you mentioned would not, in themselves, be a cause for concern. Not remembering a button is nothing, and not remembering something on a list - in itself - is nothing; I stared at a recent credit card statement, puzzled for a minute or two until I recalled the reason for one entry.

Besides, there are some things you never learn, either because they are too complicated, or you just don't need to; for example, I never mastered - and neither did my parents, or brother - how to work - as in programme - a VTR.

However, if it is part of an increasingly consistent pattern of behaviour, then, yes, you could have cause for concern.

While an annual check-up - and perhaps a memory test - are very good ideas, do bear in mind that someone who is somewhat cognitively impaired can manage to put on an impressive performance when tested.

The first time my mother had her memory tested, she performed so impressively that the doctor could see little evidence of anything wrong, whereas one of my two brothers had been saying for years (correctly - he saw her at intervals of months and so could see changes) that her memory was 'shocking'; now, her memory had never been good, she was not the sort who could spit out historical dates when things happened the way I can, or, one of my brothers can, whereas her memory & mind for executive coping, organising, multi-tasking, problem-solving and functioning was excellent.

She was also of the generation that didn't want to be seen to give trouble, and had been brought up to be polite, and thus, would respond 'nothing' when asked 'what's troubling you?' or 'fine' to 'how are you'. I'd be the one snarling 'you're not fine, you wouldn't be here (at the doctor's) if you were' which would annoy her - she would see it as 'letting the side down', and unsettle the doctor, who, legitimately, wanted to address the patient (and not me), and treat her as an autonomous being for as long as possible.

My mother has vascular dementia, plus Alzheimer's - the third variant of this condition; until a PM takes place, this will not be a definitive diagnosis, but this is what we are pretty sure we are working with.

She was diagnosed in 2012, but only after a year of visits to the doctor and tests, and medical professionals looking for the wrong things (i.e. they thought she had vertigo for a while).

@Clix Pix wrote an excellent post which is worth heeding, and @D.T.'s point about checking out whether or not she has a UTI - surprisingly common in older women and extremely debilitating - my mother is prone to them and they really exacerbate her condition - is also worth looking into.

The things I would look out for include a consistent difficulty finding the right words - everyone will occasionally struggle to find a word; withdrawal from social situations - and/or from situations that are not familiar.

Other things to look out for are falls or loss of balance; loss of interest in hobbies, withdrawal from hobbies, or inability to do hobbies (my mother's ability to complete crosswords - at which she used to be an absolute fiend, she had devoured the thesaurus - deteriorated sharply in the years just prior to her diagnosis) or activities that used to be of interest - even if they are solitary (by 2012, my mother - who had adored gardening, used to sit in her garden, unable to potter).

Later, may come loss of interest in grooming, or eating; and the hilarious but heart-breaking spelling mistakes on lists.

Or basic maths - addition, sequence of numbers, - or days of the week - working out correct change in shops - this stuff might present challenges.


I would definitely have her checked out. My dad has had several mini strokes. The first one I happened to be home visiting them (I was an adult and living in a different state). My dad was reading the newspaper and was flabbergasted to learn that Payne Stewart the golfer had died, as he and my mom had attended the US Open he had won earlier that year. The problem is that his plane had crashed several months earlier, and it seemed to be breaking news to my dad. He has had several others since then, but none have been debilitating.

But with your wife, there are any number of things that could cause memory loss, some of which might be treatable, or something that you could do to reduce the progression.

I hope all is well with her.

Good post, but - if you are not paying attention, or, are away, - even headline news may not register in a memory. However, the mini-strokes (very much a factor with vascular dementia) would be a cause for concern.

With my mother, her falls were misdiagnosed for the best part of a year; the medical profession treated the consequences of the falls - she had to be hospitalised after a few of them - thinking they were dealing with vertigo, or Meniere's disease, rather than what we now know were how her mini-strokes manifested themselves.

These mini-strokes came in clusters, - and weren't always accompanied by falls - and we would notice a striking deterioration in her mental state immediately afterwards, which would then plateau - the characteristic 'step-wise' deteriorating nature of this condition.

There have been more than a few times when I've come home from work and found a bowl of soup in the microwave that she had intended to eat for lunch ... but forgot about.

Hm. Once or twice is okay - phone calls, or distractions, the doorbell - but regularly?

What are her masking - or compensating skills - for (identified) deficiencies like?

I'd schedule an annual check-up, - a detailed one - and perhaps a memory test or two if that can be done discreetly.
 
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There have been more than a few times when I've come home from work and found a bowl of soup in the microwave that she had intended to eat for lunch ... but forgot about.

I've been thinking a bit more about your post, because this is a situation I have lived with for the best part of a decade. And it can be brutally bad.

A few further thoughts, then.

A greater concern (than forgetting about soup in the microwave) would be about cooking - i.e. forgetting to turn off appliances - stove top, or ovens.

You may need to anticipate some of this - step in and do stuff, that firstly, she may no longer be able to do (such as cooking), and secondly, may no longer be able to do safely.

No doubt. I have expressed my concerns to her.

But she's not good with mortality, and she's really not okay with the idea of Alzheimer's. I don't want to turn this into a no-win situation, but I can't force her to face the fact's (if those actually are the facts) and I don't know if she's capable of handling it if it were diagnosed.

Has anything major happened in her life recently? Serious, transformational, life changes? Traumatic stuff?

Siblings (that were close) or friends dying, retirement from a job she loved, stuff such as that?

In the space of around five years just before my father's death, my mother lost almost all of her close friends; then, she lost my dad.

I think now that my mother abdicated from taking responsibility for parts of her life after my father's death, twelve years ago. I know now that she never fully got over it, and I would estimate that her dementia started within a short time - a few years - of his death. She had been sharp as a tack - a very articulate, funny, intelligent woman - until then. They were very close, and had an excellent marriage and relationship - they were great friends as well as spouses.

After his death, thinking we were making things easier for her, we anticipated some of her needs, and we did things for her; these became elements of her life that she never reclaimed, and became responsibilities she made clear she no longer wished to - or wanted to - shoulder.

You bring up a really good point that there may be other causes to the memory loss.

But then the question is how best to prod her into looking into it. I have mentioned that I've seen episodes like these that I find very concerning, only to have her ask what other things are examples. Well, I haven't committed to writing down every time something has happened, so she's able to brush it off.

Perhaps it's time to start a journal.

What about money management? Her own bank accounts? Has she difficulty with those?

Keeping appointments? My mother missed a few of these when nobody was around to keep an eye on them.

My mother used to ask me to 'deal with bills' or anyone who phoned - her bank, the electricity company, and so on. Eventually, she gave me legal authorisation to do this - while still sufficiently mentally aware.

Other medical conditions - this was mentioned above.

By this, I don't just mean UTI - though I do think it important to check it out, but also cardiac stuff. Some of the medication for such conditions - (my mother has a pace-maker and several stents) taken for years, or decades, can have side effects.
 
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There have been more than a few times when I've come home from work and found a bowl of soup in the microwave that she had intended to eat for lunch ... but forgot about.

After cooking a couple of pots on the stove, now when I put water on to boil, I now set a timed alarm so I don’t get preoccupied with other activities. :(
 
That's pretty normal in this day and age. We're just too distracted by tech and other modern stuff.
 
This might not be relevant but when I started suffering from my heart condition, I became very forgetful.

That's another thing I'd look at, blood flow to the brain is very important.

That's a really good point that you and some others here have made. Just because it's confusion and forgetfulness doesn't make it Alzheimer's. I will try to contact her doctor.
 
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