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Is this the lowest expectations have ever been prior to an announcement?

jonhcox said:
I think you are wrong. Yes, a few people buy it simply because it's an Apple product and thus it's trendy. But that's where your statement leaves truth at the door.

I'd hardly call a device that sells over 7 million, crippled. The math outweighs your assumption. My company is developing an app that will allow our field guys to access our training site, take training courses, assist buyers in purchases and use the iPad as a presentation tool. Why an iPad? Because the OS is easy enough that our sales guys of ALL ages can use. I'm talking from 25-65 years of age. Touch the icon and go. We spent quite a lot of money researching what would be easiest for them to use and use effectively and actually, the iPad won. And not because it was the prettiest. The coming revisions (still rumored) will make it even faster and easier to use. For my company and I can name 3 others that are in the Fortune 500 top 10 doing the same thing, there is A LOT of practicality in the iPad. And I'm not even talking about all the other things it can do. I'm just talking about how easy the OS is to use and how well it integrates with the form factor. "...taken seriously." Dude, there has been more money put into integrating the iPad in to various business applications than you'll make in 5 lifetimes, AND THEY WORK. So I'd shush your pie hole before making any assumptions, as I'm one of the guys that is working on the app and I've seen it work.

The majority of our sales force is hesitant to embrace tech, much less their Blackberry. We tried netbooks. They were largely unreliable and were bulkier to manage. Not counting that, try getting a 55 year old sales guy who runs a territory that brings in 20 million a year to sit down and navigate a complex system- it requires 5 different programs to enter various data into. They lose patience fast. And to a guy that brings that kind of money in, you don't tell him to buck up and deal with it. Give him an iPad with one icon and an app that can do all that he wants to do in 1/8th the time- he's happy. That means he can make more calls and make more money. And that makes him happy and the executives. Why the iPad? Because the interface was the easiest to work with. It's not gadget lust when dealing with a $20 billion dollar company, it's common sense.
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Just out of interest, how do private apps work on the iPad? Ones you get written for your own people?
On a computer, you just get someone to write the program, and once finished you'd just install it onto people machine like any other program.
How does this work for iPads?
 
"Is this the lowest expectations have ever been prior to an announcement?"

I don't know, how can you measure expectations? Or are you asking for the difference between what people want and what they think they'll get? People on MR ask for anything you can imagine; there's no realistic way they can be satisfied since their demands are always well past the optimum point on the price/value curve.

The majority of people who will buy the next generation of iPad have no idea it's coming, so they have no expectations whatsoever.
 
I'm not upset about a 1mp camera at all. It would be great to take pictures of business cards and have them imported into contacts. Would make life so much easier.
 
utdbear0812 said:
I'm not upset about a 1mp camera at all. It would be great to take pictures of business cards and have them imported into contacts. Would make life so much easier.
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Unless it's got a fixed focus of a least 1m away for facetime rear viewing meaning when you card is actually in focus you can't make out anything printed on it due to the low resolutions. :D
 
Piggie said:
Just out of interest, how do private apps work on the iPad? Ones you get written for your own people?
On a computer, you just get someone to write the program, and once finished you'd just install it onto people machine like any other program.
How does this work for iPads?
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There is a fee that we can pay every year that will allow private distribution for our internal users.
 
aluren said:
And longer battery life, thinner design, gyro. Not enough for me to upgrade.
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Nope, not enough for me to buy it in the first place.

It has to have at least one revolutionary feature and that ain´t 1Mpix camera, RAM bump, CPU bump, better speaker, longer battery life, thinner design, gyro... or all of these lame no brainers combined.

It has to have at least one of these revolutionary features and then it might be a useful device:

-Flash, YES! ;)

-Better resolution

-Standalone
 
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thesmoth said:
Yes, running the same apps as the ipod touch, but with a bigger screen is really magical.

The iPad is crippled and not future proof. We need to see the iPad evolve on the hardware/software side of things and become more useful and productive before it's taken seriously. And yes, I know it's sold millions of units, but fashion and gadget lust sells more than practicality (oooh, angry birds HD!!!).
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Exactly. iPad desperately needs update in it's software. Most of all it needs a common file system so that I can freely share documents and pictures between different apps.
 
jonhcox said:
My company is developing an app that will allow our field guys to access our training site, take training courses, assist buyers in purchases and use the iPad as a presentation tool. Why an iPad? Because the OS is easy enough that our sales guys of ALL ages can use. I'm talking from 25-65 years of age.

For my company and I can name 3 others that are in the Fortune 500 top 10 doing the same thing, there is A LOT of practicality in the iPad.

And that makes him happy and the executives. Why the iPad? Because the interface was the easiest to work with. It's not gadget lust when dealing with a $20 billion dollar company, it's common sense.
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i'm calling you out. answer the three items above with source material to back up your statements....otherwise, i call BS on what you posted.

1. what is your company's name and what service do you provide? provide source material to back it up.

2. name 3 other companies that are in the fortune 500 top 10 doing the same thing and provide source material to back it up.

3. name the company that your buddy works at ($20B company) and source it.
 
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WhySoSerious said:
i'm calling you out. answer the three items above with source material to back up your statements....otherwise, i call BS on what you posted.

1. what is your company's name and what service do you provide? provide source material to back it up.

2. name 3 other companies that are in the fortune 500 top 10 doing the same thing and provide source material to back it up.

3. name the company that your buddy works at ($20B company) and source it.

otherwise, stop making BS up.
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1. Actually I am not making this up. I work for a major Appliance maker and that is all I can give you. At least that's all I can give you now. You can choose to believe it or not. OR- you could wait and look for public announcements 3rd quarter. It doesn't sound like you are a patient fella.

2. GE, Ford, and GM. Sorry- source material on GM comes from internal sources so I can't back up anything with post-able material. GE and Ford are looking at ways to enhance the sales experience. Again, see above- can't post it as it's internal only. I'd probably be right in saying that you could Google it and find a trail.

3. My employer happens to be that $20 Billion dollar/year company. Go back and re-read- I never said it was my buddy.

I'm a content developer and I know what I am working on and no, I can't show you any sources because of a non-disclosure agreement. I can speak generally, but specifics are a no-no, of which I provided none. Sorry if that doesn't appease you, but frankly I don't care. These are common-sense applications, nothing new. Frankly, my company is late to the game as the others mentioned started discussing this last year.

Ah, my boss just informed me that GM was no longer in the top 10, so I guess I oops'd there. My bad.
 
WhySoSerious said:
i'm calling you out. answer the three items above with source material to back up your statements....otherwise, i call BS on what you posted.

1. what is your company's name and what service do you provide? provide source material to back it up.

2. name 3 other companies that are in the fortune 500 top 10 doing the same thing and provide source material to back it up.

3. name the company that your buddy works at ($20B company) and source it.
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SOURCE MATERIAL??? Or you will "call BS"??? Oh my goodness!
 
Gasu E. said:
SOURCE MATERIAL??? Or you will "call BS"??? Oh my goodness!
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yes. is there something wrong with that? many times people post things like "every fortune 500 company uses it"...but never back it up with documentation.

i'm just asking for documentation to support his claims......otherwise, it's bs.
 
You can call BS. It really doesn't matter. So do you ask your girlfriend for source material when she says you are shorter than her last boyfriend?
 
thesmoth said:
The iPad is crippled and not future proof.
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If there anything sillier than people who want computers that are future proof it is the pathetic future proof machines they bought 4 years ago. The Arari 800 is future proof. I guarantee there will never be a better one.

As for things that don't die, after the revolutionary introduction, improvement is incremental.
 
emptyCup said:
If there anything sillier than people who want computers that are future proof it is the pathetic future proof machines they bought 4 years ago. The Arari 800 is future proof. I guarantee there will never be a better one.

As for things that don't die, after the revolutionary introduction, improvement is incremental.
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We're talking about 6 months to a year future proof. How is that 256 megs treating you with multitasking on your iPad and safari having to constantly refresh if you have more than a tab or two open? The ram is already starting to make the user experience non-optimal, and I can guarantee it will hold back all iPad development from reaching greater 'heights' due to the fact that they have to consider the small 256 meg ram size of the iPad 1.
 
Tick tock, folks, tick tock.

I'm not sure why everyone is surprised that it won't be a huge upgrade in terms of features. It will have some great under the hood adjustments, though, which is by far my biggest current complaint.

Seriously, look back through the hostelry of iDevices. You'll see a pattern evolve. I doubt that pattern will be broken.
 
Without any serious competitions, apple doesn't even have to put 5Mp camera and retina display on it. It makes more sense to keep the retina display off and put 1MP camera on it and price it more competitively, so more people can buy them. Would you like apple to put 5-8 mega pixel camera, retina display, dual core processor and 1-2GB ram to price it like Motorola xoom's price?

Android tablets are not yet proven to be successful and apple doesn't have to worry about anything.

iPad is only going into 2nd generation. There are a lot of people who still haven't bought iPad yet, so iPad 2 will be a huge product for most of people. For 1st gen owners? No, not so much.

If you want more and high end specs, then perhaps, you should email Steve jobs that you are willing to cash out 700-800 dollars for iPad at a base price.
 
Being "future proof" is relative given the short hardware life cycle. When the life cycle is only about year, it would not be cost effective to make anything that is "future proof" for a great amount of time... This may seem like a detriment to Apple (I personally don't like it), but I do see the advantage in this. By keeping a short cycle, this allows Apple to maintain a relatively low fixed costs and allows more flexibility to changes faster. On the other side, you can look at hardware like the PS3 from Sony, where they put a lot of nice "future proof" tech with massive fixed costs associated with the product. Thus, the life span of the hardware needs to be extended many many years just to begin making a profit. I know the comparison is not the best...
 
hcho3 said:
Without any serious competitions, apple doesn't even have to put 5Mp camera and retina display on it. It makes more sense to keep the retina display off and put 1MP camera on it and price it more competitively, so more people can buy them. Would you like apple to put 5-8 mega pixel camera, retina display, dual core processor and 1-2GB ram to price it like Motorola xoom's price?

Android tablets are not yet proven to be successful and apple doesn't have to worry about anything.

iPad is only going into 2nd generation. There are a lot of people who still haven't bought iPad yet, so iPad 2 will be a huge product for most of people. For 1st gen owners? No, not so much.

If you want more and high end specs, then perhaps, you should email Steve jobs that you are willing to cash out 700-800 dollars for iPad at a base price.
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Yes, I would love it to by the same price as the XOOM, because the XOOM is cheaper.

Xoom - 32 gigs and 3G - $699
iPad generation 1 - 32 gigs and 3G - $729
 
I'll be happy if the specs don't change that much. I just bought my iPad in December and am content with it. I bought it expecting that there wouldn't likely be any major upgrade, and I don't think I'll be disappointed.

I'll be looking forward to this time next year, so we'll see.
 
The reason we have all this bickering and discussion about expectations, is Apple's incessant use of claims like "this changes everything". That's such BS it's repulsive.
 
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