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Is Windows really more stable than OS X?
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I admit last windows I used was 8.0 then 8.1 (why even "bring" back the start button?) and not Windows 10.
However still not convinced that Windows is good. I hated 8.0 and 8.1. I originally started as a Windows user and switched to macs around the time before Vista came out and even still had Windows machines laying around. It's just still a bad OS for me. Also scared of the privacy issues with Windows 10. Ew.
I do however run a Win2012R2 server at home for Plex and iTunes as well as SMB shares, which I remotely log into via Remote Desktop. So I won't complain about that..
So you haven't used it.
8.1 was tablet focused. 10 is finally desktop focused.
The really cool thing is how it switches from tablet mode to desktop mode. I could walk around with the SP3 working in tablet mode, then place it on the dock and it automatically switches to desktop mode..or just connect the keyboard.
I couldn't have said it better!
With heavy daily use of Windows 10 concurrent with OS X 10.11.1 I've never been more satisfied. It's been so long since either have crashed I can't even remember the date. Never have I had such a similar, truly excellent experience with these two platforms.
Microsoft has lost a customer (me) forever so it doesn't matter if they make things better. Maybe it works for you but I just hate hate for Microsoft. And this is coming from a person who started using Amiga Workbench in 1992 and then switched to Windows 95 in '95 and onwards through all variations of windows. 98, 98SE, ME (worst), Win2000 (their best OS), Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1. Vista was around the time I bought a Mac Pro and haven't looked back. Back in middle school I used to use old Macintoshes so my own foray into Apple dates back to the 90s.
Microsoft and their generic take on what an OS should be baffles me. They can never win me back. I'm sure it's as stable as the user makes it because OS X is no angel, but I can do everything in OS X that I can without having Windowz. I have Win2k server running remote so if I ever need something I can just remotely run on that.
That's completely fine, but it helps people reading to realize your opinion and experience are completely outdated.
They're not. I am not denying that Windows is stable, I am just saying that Windows is still Windows. It's about the overall experience, not about small niche features.
Also OS X connects with your iOS devices way better than Windows so you're on an Apple forum, you don't think you're going to come across any resilience?
Rubbish.
I'd say OS X and Windows are as good or bad as each other. I'm currently having more issues with OS X than windows which has been rock steady, no kernel panics or freezes... Not so on OS X... My windows box has been running as a media server for around 8 months solid, no a single hiccup - i'd kill for that on OS X.
I also have an SP3 - this, along with a boatload of Macs.
The SP3 is now rock stable. It is the flagship of Microsoft's focus, and the recipient of the most focus and testing. Yes, MS now has the SP4 and Surface book (I tried the SP 4 for a bit), but those are new, and the SP3 is tried and true.
I don't think you'll find a more reliable Win10 system than the SP3 ( soon to be SP4 and SB) at this point, as it's the most thoroughly tested and it's THE MS reference platform.
On the Mac side, I don't think El Cap is indicative of OS X stability. For me, and many others, the .0 version was a nightmare. It pretty much rendered two of my Macs unusable, for a couple weeks. The .1 release is, however, much better! It's worrisome that Apple released .0 into the wild, as it was;t ready for primetime. I hope this isn't a harbinger of things to come, as OS X is usually much more stable.
Then again, my brief experiment with the SP4 was also a disaster. Hello Me, or whatever it's called, didn't work and locked up my system relatedly. It took twice as long to boot as my SP3, and just about everything seems slower. There were quite a few crashes, and it wasn't nearly as stable as my trusty SP3. heck, even when I tried to wipe the drive and restore the system, the darn thing crashed. It's now sitting in a box to be returned to the Microsoft store.
Both OS X and the SP4 have let me down, as of late. But I do have faith in the future of both of them, I'll just steer clear of .0 releases.
The SP3 is now rock stable. It is the flagship of Microsoft's focus, and the recipient of the most focus and testing. Yes, MS now has the SP4 and Surface book (I tried the SP 4 for a bit), but those are new, and the SP3 is tried and true.
I don't think you'll find a more reliable Win10 system than the SP3 ( soon to be SP4 and SB) at this point, as it's the most thoroughly tested and it's THE MS reference platform.
On the Mac side, I don't think El Cap is indicative of OS X stability. For me, and many others, the .0 version was a nightmare. It pretty much rendered two of my Macs unusable, for a couple weeks. The .1 release is, however, much better! It's worrisome that Apple released .0 into the wild, as it was;t ready for primetime. I hope this isn't a harbinger of things to come, as OS X is usually much more stable.
Then again, my brief experiment with the SP4 was also a disaster. Hello Me, or whatever it's called, didn't work and locked up my system relatedly. It took twice as long to boot as my SP3, and just about everything seems slower. There were quite a few crashes, and it wasn't nearly as stable as my trusty SP3. heck, even when I tried to wipe the drive and restore the system, the darn thing crashed. It's now sitting in a box to be returned to the Microsoft store.
Both OS X and the SP4 have let me down, as of late. But I do have faith in the future of both of them, I'll just steer clear of .0 releases.
10.10.5 is rock solid. 10.11.1 is rock solid.
I was in the beta for El Cap and it broke many important apps for me, but it quickly was patched in 10.11.1.
I just think the way Windows is built is pretty terrible. There's just too much junk under the hood.
Look at OS X's base and how it works. It's simple packages and kexts. It's just a better kernel.
Frankly, if ever, Apple decides to not make any desktop OS's I'd be devastated.
I was in the beta for El Cap and it broke many important apps for me, but it quickly was patched in 10.11.1.
I just think the way Windows is built is pretty terrible. There's just too much junk under the hood.
Look at OS X's base and how it works. It's simple packages and kexts. It's just a better kernel.
Frankly, if ever, Apple decides to not make any desktop OS's I'd be devastated.
I found Yosemite to be problematic but things settled down. I think El Cap is in a good place as well. I also think Windows 10 is rock solid. There's a November release coming shortly and I'm looking forward to this.
What do you mean? What junk specifically is there?
To a point, I agree with you, I think Unix overall is a rock solid operating system.
I see a convergence with iOS occurring. iOS is getting more powerful and I see OS X getting more restrictive.
That's the thing, I don't want to think about the OS, it just needs to be "there." I want it to play my music in the morning so I can get out of bed, then help me work on it by not crashing and just doing it's job based on my interval of use. El Cap is good and solid.
Like 5 versions of Windows. Dumb services running in the background we don't need. Picture viewer is terrible. The UI animations suck. Windows snapping is tacky. They use ugly fonts for the OS. Taskbar is cheesy. This PC is ugly and has stupid folders in it.
Basically MS adds stuff that people don't need and they have to remove it to clean it up. OS X never does that.
Obviously it's way more stable than NT (which is what Windows XP and forward use). I can go full power if I want via Terminal. Also OS X was first to use EFI. Windows is still using BIOS. I get why, but it's 2015. They need to dump old tech and move forward. There are still crappy DOS components creeping in Windows. Registry is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago. It's archaic. It's just a bland OS with a nicer (not even that) overlay on top. It will need to update every week or so to keep itself "secure." Installing apps is not as simple as dragging into the App folder. It must install crap everywhere. It has trashy Common folders with huge temp folders collecting garbage. You have to maintain your PC to keep it fast (Still true). Updating windows to windows is a pain in the butt. Not with OS X, it just updates the base and keeps things in tact. I mean Windows has come a long way since Windows 95 but every iteration has been a hit and miss. XP was their most popular OS so far. Everything after was trash. Windows Vista was garbage. Windows 7 was not bad. Windows 8 was hated. 8.1 helped (why???). Windows 10 seems to be ok. They will probably screw up Windows 11. Also the privacy issues with Windows 10 being free is insane. Apple would never do that. They make money on the hardware and not the software so they don't need to put crap like that in the system and hide it from the users. I think Microsoft is an opportunist company in general. XBox didn't need to exist. But it exists. Windows didn't need to exist, but thousands of OEMs needed an OS and they beat IBM to it. I just think MS history is slimey and corporate that's why I don't support them (Only Win2k12 on an HP microserver, which I just leave on for months). I just would never use it as an every day machine, I'd rather move to Linux if OS X ever disappears.
In a sense, I like it because Apple is learning what works on mobile devices and what doesn't and what they can take to the desktop, and that's better than adding a dumb start menu that has ugly tiles and forces everyone from desktop to mobile to use the same OS. I just don't see it succeeding.
There's a reason why iOS is so successful and Windows is not on mobile devices. The new Surface notebook hybrid will not save and change that at all. Apple penetrated the market via the iPhone and their App store. Now how long will that last, who knows. But it's been almost 9 years since iOS took over and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. That formula is tried and true.
I like making and taking calls from my rMacBook Pro and I like iMessages. It's just a nice OS that is not ugly. There are really nice intuitive features like the way the trackpad works with applications that Windows will never have because they only JUST NOW started making hardware. Apple has been in the biz of hardware+software for what 30+ years?
I agree with you completely sdave. Only thing windoze is good for is gaming performance. Just hope that games don't crash though due to instability of windoze on a casual user, not a power or a pc geek. I hate tinkering with OS settings and windoze needs constant tinkering to work right.
Windows is used everywhere but I just wish the world was different
You said yourself you haven't used it in years.
No offense, but doesn't that invalidate your opinion a bit on this topic?
I use it and maintain it for a relative who's not the most tech savvy person, yes I still use it but not for myself. I've set up a VNC and have to keep track of their usage and keep it updated. This is for multiple machines, Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Does this invalidate my opinion?
I dunno. I'm in the Insider Preview again, which means I've updated this OS about 7 times now. Other than the bugs that have come along with the beta release, which are to be expected, 10 has been surprisingly smooth for me on my desktop machine. This is coming from someone who's never, EVER done an OS upgrade from within another OS as a matter of geek principal.
...now on my SP4, it could use some banging out there. The last firmware update and a few light tweaks on my end have tamed it a bit, but it still does some pretty funky things on occasion.
I was on the insider program for a while, I had the beta 10 prior to its release and yeah it was even in beta stage very stable and fast. Now that its been released, things have only improved.
Yes it does! And a lot of different things. I don't know if your crashes were brought up by logic, but the pdf troubles certainly sounded like were happening because of pdf reader.
If you do not like Preview (the "default one") try PDF pen by Smile Software, they have even more niceties than Preview. Most people do not need the PRO version, the basic one is pretty powerful, I have it on my macs and iOS devices, it is great.
No it doesn't. Don't blame your incompetence at using an operating system on the operating system itself. You always seem to be complaining about things that other people don't have any issues with. As you are not very technical, perhaps you should stop changing settings that are screwing up your user experience? Windows works just fine right out the box for 100s of millions of people. So what are they doing right that you are doing so very wrong?