iSync 1.5 Now Available

[fflipper]

I know from talking to Motorola customer support that the V710 lacks the Bluetooth object push profile (OPP) needed for iSync to operate over Bluetooth with that phone, but does the lack extend to other Motorola phones like the V600?

So is this an apple thing or a moto thing? moto sells a bluetooth adapter and phone tools 2.0 on thier site for 80 bucks for the pc for the v600 and v710. what protocol is that using? it supports sync for phone book and cal plus all the other wizbang things in regards to skinning.

 

[SilentPanda]

has anyone installed this yet? does it affect salling clicker funtionality?

Why would it? They're two separate programs that both happen to use bluetooth. I don't think Salling Clicker actually uses any iSync functionality.

 

[macridah]

Nice. my new phone is now on the supported device list. But I have to wait til i get off work to try it. Can't wait to try it!

 

[Lanbrown]

Moto has never been about flashy tech. They make good, solid, rugged phones. And frankly BT is flashy tech. Will they eventually get BT? Sure. But it may very well be a while and its not going to be because they want to make it Apple compatable. If anything they will most likely get a firewire port on a phone before BT. (To charge and transfer iTunes songs with.)

Motorola used to make quality phones that were rugged. Ever since digital came available, Motorola has had quality problems. Antennas that break, higher DOA then most of the other manufacturers, buggy software that cause problems and that they blame on the network rather than their phone. When push came to shove, Motorola fixed their software issue, so much for it being a network issue as they claimed. Their phones are not what they once were. Some carriers only carried them because people requested them and they wanted the business. If people didn't demand them (basically from past history in the analog days) then that division would have folded. Motorola is more of some flash here and there then anything else. They are consistently late to the party compared to other vendors.

Firewire for what reason? How fast would the flash be? Not that fast. I could possibly see USB On-The-Go.

 

[hayesk]

I have a v600 also and I am pissed off that I cant sync without a cable. Its nice to know that i can finally sync my v600 but only with a cable. Time to go to ebay for a cable.

Check www.eforcity.com too - they have cheap *new* stuff.

 

[Lanbrown]

Nevermind, I'm still pissed. I guess Apple didn't know the V600 had a Bluetooth chip in it...

It has nothing to do with Apple, but Motorola and their lack of supporting various BT profiles. Look here to see the various profiles:
https://www.bluetooth.org/spec/
What profiles a company decides to support when they implement BT is up to them.

So how is this the fault of Apple that Motorola made that decision?

 

[kgarner]

All Day Events are now supported on the T610 (and probably other SE phones) but only read-only in this update. Still better than not showing up at all before iSync 1.5.

That made it worth it for me! I have been waiting for this feature.

 

[crees!]

Check www.eforcity.com too - they have cheap *new* stuff.

I read some people's comments online that the data cable from eforcity for the moto phones has a connection problem and you have to jiggle it sometime. I didn't want to mess with that so I bought my cable straight from Moto.. granted it was $30 instead of $15 but I didn't want to have to fool with any loose connections.. especially on a new product.

 

[third_floor]

I'm still trying to figure out whether this is Apple's choice or Motorola's choice.

@sworthy - I know about the phone. It's one that I am about to buy, because it is Bluetooth enabled. I just wish the new iSync supported it (vice versa?).

@SiliconAddict - I agree with your comments; however, what is there to stop Motorola from supporting Bluetooth standards, and to stop Apple from making a Mot-compatible synchronization software? A partnership in music does not automatically infer cross-compatibility from both companies; I was not talking about this. I am just interested to know the reason for which Motorola's Bluetooth is not supported.

@fflipper -

if the phone has Bluetooth it should support sync'ing period.

My thoughts exactly. iTunes partnership or not, Motorola phones should be able to sync with my Powerbook.

@Lanbrown - Like I said to sworthy, I know about Motorola's Bluetooth phones. I'm asking not why Motorola has no Bluetooth support (they do; vide V600, V710) but rather why iSync cannot use Bluetooth to put my Address Book onto my (future) V710.

If anyone has any technical documentation about the reasoning behind this (that is, I don't want to hear about the Apple/Motorola iTunes partnership), then please refer me to it. I want to know why Motorola has built Bluetooth into their phones only to leave it unsupported, or, if this is not the case, why Apple cannot make iSync work with Motorola's hardware.

EDIT: I see your link, Lanbrown. I'll check it out.

 

[kgarner]

Another picky question. Did they change the icon for the T610? I hate the red one that they use. Any T610 users know about this?

 

[Seamaster]

Can anyone help me with a vanishing Bluetooth preference pane? Every time I click my Bluetooth icon in System Prefs, the prefs screen just sits there, and the Bluetooth options screen never opens. Same deal if I try to invoke it from "Open Bluetooth Preferences" in the Bluetooth menu.

Any ideas? It's been like this for a while; I hoped the 10.3.5 upgrade might reinstate it.

seamaster,

 

[fflipper]

I'm still trying to figure out whether this is Apple's choice or Motorola's choice.

@sworthy - I know about the phone. It's one that I am about to buy, because it is Bluetooth enabled. I just wish the new iSync supported it (vice versa?).

@SiliconAddict - I agree with your comments; however, what is there to stop Motorola from supporting Bluetooth standards, and to stop Apple from making a Mot-compatible synchronization software? A partnership in music does not automatically infer cross-compatibility from both companies; I was not talking about this. I am just interested to know the reason for which Motorola's Bluetooth is not supported.

@fflipper -
My thoughts exactly. iTunes partnership or not, Motorola phones should be able to sync with my Powerbook.

@Lanbrown - Like I said to sworthy, I know about Motorola's Bluetooth phones. I'm asking not why Motorola has no Bluetooth support (they do; vide V600, V710) but rather why iSync cannot use Bluetooth to put my Address Book onto my (future) V710.

If anyone has any technical documentation about the reasoning behind this (that is, I don't want to hear about the Apple/Motorola iTunes partnership), then please refer me to it. I want to know why Motorola has built Bluetooth into their phones only to leave it unsupported, or, if this is not the case, why Apple cannot make iSync work with Motorola's hardware.

EDIT: I see your link, Lanbrown. I'll check it out.

The only thing that i found doing some digging off of apples message board as well as looking up the various protocols mentioned is that motorola support SyncML for thier phones

link

apple does not support syncml with anything within os x (based on browsing through the various threads). So motorola acctually has a sync strategy (Charter Member of SyncML Group ) while apple does not support this protocol. this makes me believe that it is in fact apple behind the eightball on this issue and not moto.

However the fact that apple can sync with the latest update over a cable but not bluetooth just adds more confusion.

anyone out there know more about this stuff that can explain it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[sigamy]

Very few Verizon phones on the supported list. No LG, Samsung or Audiovox. I wish Verizon offered some cool phones!

 

[kgarner]

Very few Verizon phones on the supported list. No LG, Samsung or Audiovox. I wish Verizon offered some cool phones!

One of the main reasons I didn't sign up with Verizon again was the lack of Bluetooth phones. I liked everythng else, but I love my Bluetooth phone and Salling Clicker more.

 

[idkew]

has anyone installed this yet? does it affect salling clicker funtionality?

no problems here on my p800 w/clicker.

 

[titaniumducky]

Weird....

I tried downloading this, OS X 10.3.5, and the Security Update at once. After downloading, Software update would have a spinning beach-ball and the rotating gray thing next to iSync, but it would show no message (like "Installing x% complete") and it just hung. I tried it twice.

Now I'm downloading just OS X 10.3.5 (which I understand includes the Security Update), and then I'll install iSync. Now it's almost done with the install of 10.3.5.

That worked fine.

 

[ifjake]

yeah too bad it doesn't work with my LG phone. let's see shell out a hundred bucks for a new phone or deal with it.... phone... deal with it... hundred bucks..... i'd have to say i'll just deal with it.

 

[hiltmon]

V710

motorola bluetooth phone: http://www.motorola.com/mdirect/hellomoto/experience/v710/flash/features_new.shtml?

The V710 des not sync with iSync over bluetooth, anyone know why (yes I know Apple states it is USB only) but WHY????

 

[fuge]

Verizon

Very few Verizon phones on the supported list. No LG, Samsung or Audiovox. I wish Verizon offered some cool phones!

I would say the Moto v710 is a cool (bluetooth) phone.

moto v710

I have it. Haven't tried bluetooth yet but the usb cable works just fine with iSync. As McDonalds would say, "I'm lovin' it."

Now I just need to figure out how to get my mp3's on to the phone...

 

[jettredmont]

yeah too bad it doesn't work with my LG phone. let's see shell out a hundred bucks for a new phone or deal with it.... phone... deal with it... hundred bucks..... i'd have to say i'll just deal with it.

My thoughts exactly ... but are any of the supported phones just $100?

My problem is that Verizon gets the best coverage hereabouts (and, really, the only reliable coverage), and has the best plans available for that coverage, but has crappy phones. None of them that are available here with a current-subscriber discount are iSync-capable. So, until one of the other companies gets better coverage, or Verizon gets better phones, or Apple starts slumming it by supporting LG's funky proprietary communications protocols ... I'm stuck.

Such is life.

 

[displaced]

(disclaimer: I'm from the UK, so know not how things work in the US)

Do you guys have to buy specific phones for each network? So, you can't pick up any phone and use it with any network you choose? Seems a bit of a pain having to choose between Good Phones/Crappy Coverage and Bad Phones/Good Coverage...

Is it a technical difference, or are the phones simply locked in software? On our GSM networks, we often get subsidised phones which are locked in software to the network who sold it. But after the contract's up (usually 1 year), or for a nominal fee before then, the network will unlock it.

Just curious...

 

[BWhaler]

Now, if they can only get iDisk syncing to work as advertised, I will be a happy Mac guy.

 

[third_floor]

(disclaimer: I'm from the UK, so know not how things work in the US)

Do you guys have to buy specific phones for each network? So, you can't pick up any phone and use it with any network you choose? Seems a bit of a pain having to choose between Good Phones/Crappy Coverage and Bad Phones/Good Coverage...

Is it a technical difference, or are the phones simply locked in software? On our GSM networks, we often get subsidised phones which are locked in software to the network who sold it. But after the contract's up (usually 1 year), or for a nominal fee before then, the network will unlock it.

Just curious...

See, the US wireless providers don't really have standards (nor do they want them.) You Europeans and Asians just get a network, and it works. Over here we have gajillions of bands and networks and no 3G yet and blah blah blah.

I think I'm getting this Motorola V710, and the USB cable, but I really wish Apple would just go ahead and start supporting Bluetooth in general.

By the way, thanks, fflipper, that clears up a lot.

 

[henryblackman]

The only thing that i found doing some digging off of apples message board as well as looking up the various protocols mentioned is that motorola support SyncML for thier phones

link

apple does not support syncml with anything within os x (based on browsing through the various threads). So motorola acctually has a sync strategy (Charter Member of SyncML Group ) while apple does not support this protocol. this makes me believe that it is in fact apple behind the eightball on this issue and not moto.

Actually Apple has a high performance SyncML system that manages all of .Mac's synchronisation. They aren't well known for it, but they are a real leader in this area: Brendan McCarthy (from FusionOne) wrote the entire system with his small team.

 

[crees!]

Does It Sync In Both Directions?

iSync works in both directions correct? I have information on both my phone and in Address Book but they are not the same. So will these 2 different sets of phone numbers be the same after syncing?