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"It didn't feel like luxury at all"
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Yep, but one with the best design and video production of any blog, or maybe any site, that I know of.
Wow: sweet.
You're doing some impressive straw-grasping here, but what you actually have is a single reviewer (who notably "do[es]n’t usually shop [at Selfridge's] because [he] simply can’t afford $3,000 leather jackets or watches that cost more than [his] house"—boy, he sure sounds like a reliable mouthpiece for the desires of the global 1% in a watch and watch-purchasing experience) making the entirely vague and conclusory comments that "neither [size Watch Edition] felt like a luxury timepiece," "[t]he whole experience didn’t feel as luxury as I was expecting,"* and (oddly only in a pull-out quote that doesn't actually, er, quote the review) "it didn't feel like luxury at all."
WTF is that supposed to mean? What relevance is this man's judgment supposed to have on the success or failure of the Watch, or of the Edition? People with means will buy the gold Watch—or won't—based on how it makes them feel, which depends in large part on the image they believe it projects. Drake, Pharrell Williams, Katy Perry, and company aren't showing this thing off to the world because they think it's not "luxury at all." They obviously value the message it communicates to people who see them wearing it.
You seriously think there won't be any meaningful number of people of means on the planet who regard the Edition in the same way? Good luck with that. I suspect that the expiration date on Watch hate is fast approaching. At least, that is, with regard to the product's sales and profit potential; vague "it sucks; only millions and millions of iSheep buy it" nonsense will be chic in some quarters forever.
(* Pro tip: "luxury" is in fact not generally an adjective. It's a noun. "Not as luxury as X" is simply brutal word choice.)
GMT Ice? I suspect that most people that try that watch on are doing so just to say they did, and not because they're in any way serious about purchasing it. My guess is they knew that too.
I'm confused reading this thread. It seems like people with similar positions are in heated disagreement with each other.
Just for the record: Do you think the Edition is a luxury item?
No, of course not. Apple doesn't make luxury items. They make really well designed tech products and gadgets, and that's exactly what they've done here. Why they're trying to be something they're not and without putting a lot of effort into it is beyond me.
I'm confused reading this thread. It seems like people with similar positions are in heated disagreement with each other.
Just for the record: Do you think the Edition is a luxury item?
I could have bought that watch with the loose change in my pocket... how did they "know" that I couldn't afford it???
Doesn't matter if I was buying a $500 watch in that store or the $200k rolex, it was the same experience.
I've never sat down and shot the breeze with a salesperson about any watches I've purchased. I usually know more than those sleazy salespeople anyways.
Thanks for clarifying that. It seems the definition of "luxury" is not so clear cut.
Alright, calm down. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I don't just walk in, drop 15k and drop out in 5 minutes. That's just me.
And if I'm spending $15k instead of $500, I'd like to at least feel that way. Not like I just popped into 7-11 for some Nacho Chips.
And if I'm spending $15k instead of $500, I'd like to at least feel that way. Not like I just popped into 7-11 for some Nacho Chips.
And, in the case of smartwatches, go over the schematics with someone in the know, and browse through a few dozen sample pages of code to get a feel for the craftsmanship
Seriously though, you're right of course, and I'm sure all of what you said will be afforded to actual buyers of Edition watches when they come in to pick up their new baby. The department (or Apple) store displays at this stage are expected to attract tyre kickers serious buyers have to go online and pre-order.
The video summed up some of my thoughts regarding the watch.
It's cool, but doesn't really do or change enough to make it a must have. Fast forward some time and that will definitely change.
Overall I did change my mind some. Before I flat out didn't want one. I still don't want one at this time as it doesn't do enough to make sense. At some point I can see myself with one though.
It's cool, but doesn't really do or change enough to make it a must have. Fast forward some time and that will definitely change.
Overall I did change my mind some. Before I flat out didn't want one. I still don't want one at this time as it doesn't do enough to make sense. At some point I can see myself with one though.
Funny Tom Warren at TheVerge doing an Apple piece he seems to salvate over Microsoft stuff the vast majority of time, judging from his tweets after the watch event I dare say he may not be impartial!
This is the same Tom Warren that tweeted that a product is a failure if it needs a guided tour video. I guess he forgot that iPhone had one when it first came out.
I personally wish that Apple had not released the Edition at all (at least not at these prices). I don't like the concept and I don't think it really goes well with Apple's brand, or at least how I like to think of it.
But, you have to admit that a guy with a gigantic, spiked bracelet on his wrist that is worried that something on his wrist might look funny is kind of hilarious, no?
Never mind his inability to properly set notifications.
I dig it. He went for the clicks with the unpopular opinion. If Apple Watch turns out to be a less-than-stellar product line, he gets bragging rights or something.
I wish they'd had waited. It's a distraction.
They could've just gone for the gold and rose gold tinted aluminum for different looks and styles.
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To be straight with you, I think they're attempting to move into the luxury market. How else will they sell a luxury car? And you know they're not going to make a cheap car. Not with all they'd need to spend in R&D.
I'll go on record right now saying that I think they should've spent more on the packaging of the Watch and Edition lines.
I have a 3800-dollar Tag that came in a box that's about 10x nicer than the box for a 17k Edition. That's just wrong.
heh, okay passing over the supercilious tone...
so your issue is with the apple store, not the apple watch?
I'm confused reading this thread. It seems like people with similar positions are in heated disagreement with each other.
Just for the record: Do you think the Edition is a luxury item?
Well that depends. Is someone saying something not positive about Apple? Then we think the opposite!
I swear, the people here keep changing their opinions, grasping at straws, doing everything they can to convince each other and everyone else that their purchase of the watch is validated. Anyone that says the slightest not positive thing is being ridiculous and gets attacked, journalist and fellow (more veteran) forum members alike. News flash, you can buy the watch, and you don't have to justify to anyone but yourselves.
I'll admit that his spiked bracelet is stupid looking, but hey, to each their own.
What I won't admit is that he "went for clicks with the unpopular opinion." He had positive things to say, and negative, and his views were fairly in line with what everyone else had to say. It's not exactly hard to see that the Apple watch is a solution in search of a problem. I said it before it was announced, I definitely said it after it was announced, and now that people have used it and posted their opinions, I'm still saying it. Just because he did too doesn't discredit him as a journalist. It's way too easy for people around here to believe that he wanted to hate it, so he did. Perhaps he's just not completely brainwashed to believe that Apple can do no wrong and he also didn't see the point? Then he used it and still didn't?
I like the Verge. I've always liked the Verge and if I had one complaint about them prior to that article it's that they're too friendly to Apple stuff. Now I'm literally seeing comments from people saying "Uh oh.. well, good luck getting anything from Apple again!" This ******** opinion basically confirms the notion that he had to love it, or else.
That's not really how reviews work. As any creative person knows, when you put your work out there to be critiqued, you've got to take the good with the bad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's that.
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How exactly was I being supercilious? Everyone here seems to think that anyone who has money, just blows it without a second thought. I expect my money to mean something, and generally that is the case when spending large amounts. I don't think I'm better than anyone else - I just happen to be into fashion, and I like nice things. I'm explaining that to me, something is over off and odd here.
My biggest issue is with the Edition watch. I don't think it has any business existing, but Apple can do whatever they want. I don't think they understand anything about what they're trying to do here from the product itself, to the way it's being sold in stores.
But that said, I think Apple's making a mistake with their store strategy here too. People aren't used to making an appointment online to try something on for a specific period of time only to not be able to buy that thing in the end but instead have to go online and order it and you'll get it in a few weeks. I get that part of this strategy has to do with supply issues, and because a watch is a little different than wanting a phone you don't need to see and hold for a while first, but still, this is kind of a joke. I think they're going to find out awfully fast that they need to keep a portion of staff on hand to help anyone who wants to try on different watches and be able to sell it to them right there as well. In fact, I guarantee this is going to happen.
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He's not entirely wrong though. The iPhone was so drastically different from anything any of us had seen or used before that those video's also served as a bit of an advertisement (Wow! It can do that? That's so cool!). The watch videos were more like "Here's how to use our product that isn't terribly different from anything you're used to now"). Though I'll agree that the watch doesn't seem that hard to figure out. I'm not sure the videos were necessary.
What I won't admit is that he "went for clicks with the unpopular opinion." He had positive things to say, and negative, and his views were fairly in line with what everyone else had to say. It's not exactly hard to see that the Apple watch is a solution in search of a problem. I said it before it was announced, I definitely said it after it was announced, and now that people have used it and posted their opinions, I'm still saying it. Just because he did too doesn't discredit him as a journalist. It's way too easy for people around here to believe that he wanted to hate it, so he did. Perhaps he's just not completely brainwashed to believe that Apple can do no wrong and he also didn't see the point? Then he used it and still didn't?
I like the Verge. I've always liked the Verge and if I had one complaint about them prior to that article it's that they're too friendly to Apple stuff. Now I'm literally seeing comments from people saying "Uh oh.. well, good luck getting anything from Apple again!" This ******** opinion basically confirms the notion that he had to love it, or else.
That's not really how reviews work. As any creative person knows, when you put your work out there to be critiqued, you've got to take the good with the bad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's that.
But, you have to admit that a guy with a gigantic, spiked bracelet on his wrist that is worried that something on his wrist might look funny is kind of hilarious, no?
Never mind his inability to properly set notifications.
I dig it. He went for the clicks with the unpopular opinion. If Apple Watch turns out to be a less-than-stellar product line, he gets bragging rights or something.
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How exactly was I being supercilious? Everyone here seems to think that anyone who has money, just blows it without a second thought. I expect my money to mean something, and generally that is the case when spending large amounts. I don't think I'm better than anyone else - I just happen to be into fashion, and I like nice things. I'm explaining that to me, something is over off and odd here.
My biggest issue is with the Edition watch. I don't think it has any business existing, but Apple can do whatever they want. I don't think they understand anything about what they're trying to do here from the product itself, to the way it's being sold in stores.
But that said, I think Apple's making a mistake with their store strategy here too. People aren't used to making an appointment online to try something on for a specific period of time only to not be able to buy that thing in the end but instead have to go online and order it and you'll get it in a few weeks. I get that part of this strategy has to do with supply issues, and because a watch is a little different than wanting a phone you don't need to see and hold for a while first, but still, this is kind of a joke. I think they're going to find out awfully fast that they need to keep a portion of staff on hand to help anyone who wants to try on different watches and be able to sell it to them right there as well. In fact, I guarantee this is going to happen.
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He's not entirely wrong though. The iPhone was so drastically different from anything any of us had seen or used before that those video's also served as a bit of an advertisement (Wow! It can do that? That's so cool!). The watch videos were more like "Here's how to use our product that isn't terribly different from anything you're used to now"). Though I'll agree that the watch doesn't seem that hard to figure out. I'm not sure the videos were necessary.
This is the same Tom Warren that tweeted that a product is a failure if it needs a guided tour video. I guess he forgot that iPhone had one when it first came out.
But, you have to admit that a guy with a gigantic, spiked bracelet on his wrist that is worried that something on his wrist might look funny is kind of hilarious, no?
Never mind his inability to properly set notifications.
I dig it. He went for the clicks with the unpopular opinion. If Apple Watch turns out to be a less-than-stellar product line, he gets bragging rights or something.
Wearing a hideous monstrosity of a bracelet like that discredits you from making any comments about fashion and style.
Ever.