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Italian Watchdog Confirms Third Antitrust Inquiry into Apple
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That's the theory. I believe maclawyer was referring to the practice. Maybe AGCM just threw in Dropbox as a smokescreen of legitimacy.
this isn’t about anti competitive behavior. Partly it’s because the legal documents users are supposed to agree to aren’t even available in Italian
Not sure why some are either quick to defend or quick to condemn Apple.
They are a company like any other. We hear about these things because we are on an Apple specialty interest site but there’s nothing here to indicate Apple specifically are being targeted.
Long gone are the days of Apple as underdog, instead they are the most successful or one of the most successful companies on the planet.
They are a company like any other. We hear about these things because we are on an Apple specialty interest site but there’s nothing here to indicate Apple specifically are being targeted.
Long gone are the days of Apple as underdog, instead they are the most successful or one of the most successful companies on the planet.
No, it's likely not. In Italy some contractual clauses cannot be buried in the bandwagon and need to be accepted individually and explicitly.
Not sure of the state of Smart TVs in general and Italy in particular: I have a Samsung Smart TV in Europe and I have denied consent to data collection. The option was prompted to me and I could simply go ahead without checking the "I agree" box.
What the contract says and what is legally enforceable are two very different things. In Italy clauses which unfairly disadvantage the consumer are subject to special legislation.
If the clause says the Cloud Storage can be shut down unilaterally by the service provider at any time without refund I doubt it's legal.
I don’t have a problem with an inability to deny consent. Off the top of my head, there’s four different companies that offer the exact same file storage service - they’re all interchangeable, it’s pretty easy to switch from one to another. If you’re not happy with the terms of one, go to any other. There’s probably dozens of little competitors I’m not aware of - it’s not that hard a service to offer.
Asking Italians for consent without providing an Italian version of the terms does sound sketchy, though.
it’s their Milan store, beautiful. here’s some tourist capturing the outside and entry into the store.
The issue is not whether there is competition: some practices are illegal no matter how much competition there is. In Italy some clauses need to be explicitly accepted individually: they cannot be buried together with all other clauses and accepted together with the contract.
I don't think so, DropBox is actually being investigated for additional, very specific reasons on top of what is being contested to Apple and Google.
Whilst your flippant remark actually is very funny, there's more to it than that.
Apple maintains a facade of high standards for ethical behaviour and culture of fairness in business, but they are still the ones that people have to take to court to get their battery replaced, their peeling screen replaced, their faulty graphics card replaced, and lots more.
Some of these 'lots more' are things that they knew of and went ahead and sold the products anyway. To paraphrase for you -
Me: Hi Apple, my GPU has failed again due to a manufacturing defect.
Apple: F*** Off. We'll see you in court.
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I like how everybody is quick to reply the government only wants money, just because Apple is involved.
You know how much money the same agency fined to some telco companies this year? Less than 1 million EURO.
If they're going to fine Apple, chances are they'll have to pay something similar, which is nothing for Apple but even nothing for the government, they're not asking for billions.
Telco companies are often fined by the same agency, but as you can imagine they don't really care, sometimes they receive fines for a few thousand EURO, and of course they laugh at it, pay and continue with their wrongdoing.
it's the Milan apple store. attention to detail was incredible. it's not a big store but really well done.
It's not related to market manipulation, it's related to user data and the ability to suspend information collection.
Someone needs to do it (to all big-tech companies), certainly isn't going to be the US.
If you genuinely think thats all it's about you've got a heck of a lot to learn.Let's all go sue Apple because they have lots of cash. Boo
1. consumer law in some countries is stricter about that precisely because it is impractical to get every contract checked by your own lawyer, especially if the hidden clause is something people wouldn't expect or like.
2. The data collection has to be properly notified, and agreed to, to use a smart TV. A european model will have a load of notices with it, or as click-throughs to activate the smart features.
3. I think the problem is the combination of unilateral contracts with terms which are pretty borderline for conscionability anyway.
Came here to see if anyone had any insight about why Dropbox was looped in with these other companies. Thank you!
Right, because the almost complete lack of ancient riches in North America is why we’re all so poor over here.
But just out of curiosity, who would you rather had the keeping of Italy’s ancient riches? The nobility? Do you really think they would have done a better job of preserving Italy’s ancient wealth for future generations?
What with invasions by Ostrogoths, Huns, Byzantines, Lombards, Saracens, Normans, and French (to name just a few of the foreign belligerents who fought in Italy and Sicily in the past 1700 years), and what with constant warring between the Italian city-states themselves, just what do you imagine would have happened to those riches had the Church not had the keeping of them?
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No, the USA's GDP did not drop 31%, obviously. That would result in a 30-40% unemployment rate. The USA's most recent quarterly drop was 7-8%, which works out to a 31% drop if annualized. For comparison, the EU's most recent quarterly drop annualizes to a 40% drop. Source: This week's The Economist (doubt you can see this as it's behind a paywall, but here's a link anyway: https://www.economist.com/economic-...0/09/03/economic-data-commodities-and-markets). USA is down 9.1% overall from a year ago; EU, 15%. Italy is a bit worse than the EU average on all those stats.
AGCM has published the consultation over iCloud's unfair clauses.
The clauses in question are:
The documentation over the alleged unfair commercial practices is not available yet.
The clauses in question are:
- I.E. Changing the Service
- II.C. Backup
- V.D. Back up Your Content
- IX. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES; LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
The documentation over the alleged unfair commercial practices is not available yet.
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