Not much, people here usually have 2 phones each... at 1000 euro a phone that's about 10.000 sales.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Italy Fining Apple 10M Euros for 'Dishonest Commercial Practices' Related to iPhone Throttling
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
All of this could have been avoided with proper communication. I'm pretty sure Apple looked into the possibility of how throttling may be perceived as planned obsolescence (especially with today's consumers). I am surprised that they did not communicate their full intentions to begin with. As a result its perceived as if Apple was caught doing something malicious.
Absolutely Italy made the right decision. 100%.
Apple handled this so badly: they denied, denied, denied, and only when evidence became overwelming did Apple come clean.
Apple handled this so badly: they denied, denied, denied, and only when evidence became overwelming did Apple come clean.
Actually, they want the devices to last longer so people continue subscribing to more-profitable services.
--Denied customers' requests to replace batteries
--Rigged the test software to avoid replacing batteries
--Released OS that crippled phones, and refused to comment
--Fixed OS after "The Internet" figured out what they did
And Italy is blamed for making a "cash grab" by the apologists here...
Discovery is undoubtedly underway in the US class suit. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
--Rigged the test software to avoid replacing batteries
--Released OS that crippled phones, and refused to comment
--Fixed OS after "The Internet" figured out what they did
And Italy is blamed for making a "cash grab" by the apologists here...
Discovery is undoubtedly underway in the US class suit. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
You can still subscribe and buy newer HW, I think they call it "Eco-System", the one that makes you keep buying their stuff
Some people DO read the update details. Apple didn't lie, they withheld the specific details that could have avoided this mess (i.e., communication mistake). If you leave specific details out, society will assume and arrive at their own conclusions (which they are free to do so).
It's easy to defend Apple in this instance because of the known limitations with ANY lithium ion battery in a phone. Can Italy claim that lithium ion batteries do not actually become inconsistent for voltage supply at 80% or lower total capacity? No. Can Italy claim that a lithium ion battery does not become inconsistent for voltage supply at 20% or lower total charge? No. Can Italy claim that cold weather can't negatively impact the voltage supply of a lithium ion battery? No. Can Italy claim that Apple's software update didn't functionally address situations where voltage demand could be too high than voltage supply? No.
Italy does not have to prove Li ion batteries usage, they never faulted apple for the battery, but for how they communicate, or actually don't.
Italy does not have to prove anything, it is Apple who has, they messed up in communication, and got called out, now they will have to post in their page the info!
P.S. Samsung got called too and they too have to pay, it is not only Apple.
How much did they charge Microsoft for Windows Vista?
A simple solution to this problem would be to allow us to install earlier iOS versions on our iOS units.
My iPad 2 with iOS9 is almost unuseable, so it has been delegated to be a youtube viewer for when the kid wants to watch something. Had to upgrade to a newer model as a replacement, but if I could downgrade to iOS7 I would do so instantly, and would have delayed my iPad model upgrade.
My iPad 2 with iOS9 is almost unuseable, so it has been delegated to be a youtube viewer for when the kid wants to watch something. Had to upgrade to a newer model as a replacement, but if I could downgrade to iOS7 I would do so instantly, and would have delayed my iPad model upgrade.
It's not a direct comparison. Google updates its core pieces of software on Android phones, even if the manufacturer doesn't issue new major OS updates.
With Apple, if you don't update the OS, you cannot get updated Mail, Safari, App Store, etc.
well, downgrading iPhone specs without notifying the user is obviously a bad practice, good for Italy
At the last Keynote, Lisa Jackson, the former EPA administrator and head of Apple's Environment, Policies, and Social Initiatives specifically outlined Apple's focus on making products last longer.You can still subscribe and buy newer HW, I think they call it "Eco-System", the one that makes you keep buying their stuff
They want you to buy their new products, but they also want people to buy the more-affordable used products and subscribe to services. That makes a lot more sense than planned obsolescence.
LOL exactly my thoughts
Some people here prefer to bash a whole country with nonsense about nothing working and eu budget when they do not even realize what has been ruled is just fair, even too soft in terms of fine to be paid if you ask me.
Apple really screwed up and yes, they caused damage to people omitting that they were going to slow down all phones, even the ones without issues.
in my case I own an iphone 6 that was artificially slowed down and guess what, my battery health is 87% and the feature never really ended up being used, right AFTER they gave me a choice about it.
Shame on Apple.
Hey now, I do believe that Apple did planned obsolescence and should be fined. It should be fined even more because I believe they do this to Macbooks and iMacs. This is wrong. It should be punished. And that's what happened. So, stop whining about things in Italy, Europe, or the moon.
There it is. And are you really defending Apple here? Wow.
Anyway if I go to a mechanic to fix my car and he does it but does tell me he did in such a way that the power was permanently and severely reduced it would be bad, really bad. Apple didn't want to tell people that they had to throttle the CPU to avoid random shutdowns, that's more than clear.
Nice and all, they were actually force to do this gesture.
I don’t understand these. Who gets that money? Not th consumer that delt with issues like this so why should someone besides us get the money? Makes really no sense to me.
But cutting a check for 5$ per person isn’t really anything. I’d be happy if everyone that say owned a 6+ after two years that experienced this got back a certain amount I’d be happier about these. Offer a trade in on that phone for no out of pocket cost. Yea that wouldn’t ever happen.
But cutting a check for 5$ per person isn’t really anything. I’d be happy if everyone that say owned a 6+ after two years that experienced this got back a certain amount I’d be happier about these. Offer a trade in on that phone for no out of pocket cost. Yea that wouldn’t ever happen.
I bought the 8+ when my 6+ suddenly slowed down so much I started missing rides on Uber and Lyft. It cost me money and I had no idea I could just put in a new battery and it would be fine. I was super pissed when I found out that was where the problem was and I had already fallen in love with my 8+. Now I have a new battery in my 6+ and I just keep it for a backup phone. I can’t bring myself to sell it for only $150
Of course, they also said that iOS 12 was making older phones faster, wich in here people say it was impossible as new SW is definetly heavier.
Of course Apple said that, it is called PR.
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-sales-region-china-chart-2017-3
europe buys around 35-45m iPhones, so 250k iPhones (10m € without taxes and other cost) could mean around 20-30 days
could be less if Apple save more in taxes (Ireland ahem!)...