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Lot of wireless providers still carry the iPhone 4. Wonder what they will do...
 
To put it bluntly, this is getting totally ridiculous. I think about the incredible waste of money that is transpiring with all this mess.

I don't claim to be a patent expert, but it seems that there needs to be some serious reform in the patent space. I wonder if the way that the pharmaceutical companies do it would work better. That is, that the patent is awarded and able to be enforced for a period of time, and after that time period expires the subject of the patent becomes available for anyone to use as part of the industry. This would certainly keep pressure on technology companies to keep innovating, and not just inventing something and then sitting on it forever.

Unlike other industries, the intertwining of all these patents is going to get everything into a deadlock if they don't do something.
 
Foss Patents said it is a major surprise, as the ITC rejected the FRAND defense that other federal courts have accepted. It's entirely possible that the White House will veto this.


Regarding CDMA, note that 3G uses WCDMA, which depends on some of the same patents as CDMA2000.

This is an injunction over a FRAND-encumbered patent. It is going to send shockwaves through the industry, through Congress (which has written to the ITC multiple times to say they do not generally support injunctions over such patents), and throughout the world (specifically the EU).

It's also shocking that Apple's multiple infringement findings against Samsung still haven't resulted in an injunction, while Samsung apparently gets one rather easily against Apple.

I fully expect this one to be vetoed.


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To put it bluntly, this is getting totally ridiculous. I think about the incredible waste of money that is transpiring with all this mess.

I don't claim to be a patent expert, but it seems that there needs to be some serious reform in the patent space. I wonder if the way that the pharmaceutical companies do it would work better. That is, that the patent is awarded and able to be enforced for a period of time, and after that time period expires the subject of the patent becomes available for anyone to use as part of the industry. This would certainly keep pressure on technology companies to keep innovating, and not just inventing something and then sitting on it forever.

Unlike other industries, the intertwining of all these patents is going to get everything into a deadlock if they don't do something.

That is how it works. The pharmaceutical industry doesn't get any kind of specially limited patents. All patents have an expiration date.
 
And ipad 2

The iPad 2 3G is also still being sold.

EDIT: Refer to above. :)

Foss Patents said it is a major surprise, as the ITC rejected the FRAND defense that other federal courts have accepted. It's entirely possible that the White House will veto this.


Regarding CDMA, note that 3G uses WCDMA, which depends on some of the same patents as CDMA2000.

Ah yes, thank you :)

But my guess is that the cheaper iPad 2 will be replaced with the iPad 3 or 4 once the iPad 5 comes out. Kind of like what Apple did with the iPhone 3GS, and what they will do with the iPhone 4 when the iPhone 5S comes out. So really, none of these products will be for sale by Apple by the time this takes affect.
 
People, just stop buying Samsung product.

Look at the future you are building by buying Samsung products: copy design like a cheap ripoff rogue company, use FRAND patents that will make you pay a license for every chipset you buy.

Nonsense
 
People, just stop buying Samsung product.

Look at the future you are building by buying Samsung products: copy design like a cheap ripoff rogue company, use FRAND patents that will make you pay a license for every chipset you buy.

Nonsense

Nonsense, agree, there is no other word to describe your post.
 
LOL, it's so ironic the same people spin this ruling after ridiculing Samsung when Apply won the $1 billion law suit for patent infringement.
 
Odd. I though this was in the federal court system. What does ITC have to do with the patent lawsuits?

Everyone also has cases in front of the ITC in order to halt sales of the offending product. Both Apple and Samsung have cases in front of the ITC although I'm not sure how the ITC supersede US patent laws (I'm also not sure if the ITC has the expertise to rule on patents).
 
OK, Apple you can't sell anymore of those products you don't sell! We are watching you! :rolleyes:
 
So... What now?

I am so excited what Apple is going to make the argument LOL!

BTW, WWDC is such a boring stuff.. this stuff is so much better @#$"#
 
Well the only one of these still being sold is the iPhone 4, but that won't be much longer. Is this really going to affect anything?

Not really. And even less when Apple files an appeal in Federal Court and the first move is to get an injunction to stop the injunction from being enforced
 
Who would seriously buy an iPad 2 over an iPad Mini?

I don't know. The number of units sold must have been significant though seeing as how Apple continues to offer the product. Regardless, my post wasn't to indicate sales but just to point out that the iPad 2 is still an active product line.
 
This is an injunction over a FRAND-encumbered patent.

If it is and was when it was being used for these products then that may be another issue that invokes an appeal attempt. And with Obama publicly coming down on patent trolls etc things could come out differently during an appeal. This might even be just the thing to get the ball rolling on the various very needed changes
 
And what is wrong with getting compensated for the work you perform? I would love to hire you and not pay any wages or commissions.
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I'm no Samsung fan, but I can tell you that developing microcontrollers and software for them isn't super easy. If Samsung did it, patented it, and then Apple used it, Apple is in the wrong.
Apple bought a Qualcomm chip, presumably Qualcomm already paid a license fee to Samsung to be able to manufacture the chip. Wouldn't this be double dipping?
 
While Samsung argued that the '348 patent is essential to the UMTS 3G ceullar standard, Apple denied the claim, unsuccessfully arguing that Samsung has a fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory (FRAND) obligation that should prevent it from winning an exclusion order.

Is that sentence badly worded? To me it reads that Samsung argued that the patent is a FRAND patent (i.e. essential to UMTS 3G), but Apple denied it, yet claimed that Samsung has a FRAND obligation :confused: :confused:

Does it really mean Samsung argued against the claim that '348 is FRAND?
 
Wait...I thought it was Samsung who always copied everything that Apple ever invented!


Didn't the ITC get the memo?


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Well the only one of these still being sold is the iPhone 4, but that won't be much longer. Is this really going to affect anything?

The judgement can be used as a basis for a later damages suit.

These willful patent infringers need to be taught a lesson.
 
Just got a Galaxy S4 and in all honesty it makes the iPhone look like a kids toy.

If you haven't tried one then you really should. It genuinely is a far superior product and doesn't need to rely on smart marketing for features similar to Siri which frankly don't even work.

Korea > USA
 
Is that sentence badly worded? To me it reads that Samsung argued that the patent is a FRAND patent (i.e. essential to UMTS 3G), but Apple denied it, yet claimed that Samsung has a FRAND obligation :confused: :confused:

Does it really mean Samsung argued against the claim that '348 is FRAND?

Yeah the sentence seems badly worded or perhaps its summarizing Apple doing a two prong approach.

1st argument is that, the patent isn't an essential. 2nd argument is if it is an essential then Samsung has FRAND obligation and failed to meet it.
 
lol I would be really surprised if this doesn't end up becoming a anticompetitive investigation on Samsung.
 
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