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ITC Rules For Apple in HTC Patent Case
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They already tried for an injunction against HTC selling their products in the US. They are also known not to license unless forced to do so.
Draw your own conclusions from that.
Yeah, the smartphone was NOT Apple's idea. They just made the best one by combining their iPod with it and having the iTunes music and App Store.
thats true there not playlist, nokia Patents are not playlist but apple infringe in those patents all im saying is apple also infinges on other company patents also.
from mac daily news
Mr. Von Hippel also said that these lawsuits pointed to a bigger problem with the patent system. Its a bad scene right now. The social value of patents was supposed to be to encourage innovation thats what society gets out of it, he said. The net effect is that they decrease innovation, and in the end, the public loses out.
Mr. Von Hippel also said that these lawsuits pointed to a bigger problem with the patent system. Its a bad scene right now. The social value of patents was supposed to be to encourage innovation thats what society gets out of it, he said. The net effect is that they decrease innovation, and in the end, the public loses out.
Apple didn't infringe on them. There was no way Apple could have gotten around them in the first place. No one who makes a modern smartphone really can. Apple was willing to pay the licensing fee.
The dispute was about how much Apple had to pay. Nokia demanded an amount higher than what everyone else was paying, and Apple asked for parity. So they eventually made a deal.
In EE I have nothing to prove to you. All of this nonsense directly affects my business as the counter effects make my clients or potential clients afraid to do business. I don't work with fortune 100's and they get scared sh##less by all of this constant litigation. They sit on their checkbooks.
I think I would know better than you with what the every other day another patent lawsuit does to this business. So seriously man, kma.
I have a clue about the effects. I have a clue that now I need to run to one or two of you every single time I want to do something to see what I can possibly get sued for. I have a clue that I need to have one retained at all times in case LodSys or another troll comes knocking on our doors. I have a clue that people some with more than 17 years in school will stand up and argue the merits for the patent of a button a screen.
I have a clue about software systems in general. I have been doing this for twenty some odd years.
So, no I don't really give a damn about the innards or the law. I know the system is broken. That's all that needs to be known. The system is broken and it either needs to be overhauled or abolished. And, I would wager no other developer on this forum would disagree with me.
Which, in the context of this discussion, is a problem.
Of course not. So please don't try.
It isn't so much patents in general that are really the problem, it's patent trolls. But that doesn't discount the later statement of his that you quoted.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/an-explosion-of-mobile-patent-lawsuits/
On Tuesday when I spoke with Eric Von Hippel, a professor of technological innovation at M.I.T.’s Sloan School of Management. He pointed out that patent lawsuits had turned particularly unpleasant lately as a result of companies that only buy and sell patents.
In the past, Mr. Von Hippel said, if companies entered a litigious dispute “they would usually come to an agreement to simply share each other’s patents.” But he said a new genre of patent lawsuits, brought on by what he calls “patent trolls,” had changed the nature of the disputes. These companies have no interest in using the patents, Mr. Von Hippel said, but instead hope to reap large sums of money from the lawsuits themselves.
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They were, or at least the mouse was -- "Douglas Engelbart's computer mouse received patent # 3,541,541 on November 17, 1970 for a 'X-Y Position Indicator For A Display System'" (not sure where the keyboard patents are since it had "prior art" origins in the typewriter / teletype / telegraph / etc)
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_computer_mouse_patent.htm
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Didn't this have to happen? Apple took an enormous risk with a uniquely designed device. Most thought it would fail. When it didn't, Google used its cash to destroy any "fair interval" of solo success Apple certainly earned. And Schmidt used his position on the Apple board to despicable advantage. Do no evil indeed.
Didn't this have to happen? Apple took an enormous risk with a uniquely designed device. Most thought it would fail. When it didn't, Google used its cash to destroy any "fair interval" of solo success Apple certainly earned. And Schmidt used his position on the Apple board to despicable advantage. Do no evil indeed.
If HTC gets forced out of the US Android market then what happens? Who is next, Motorola? Then Android as a whole?
That's the worst case scenario if they lose on appeal for the above two patents. I do business with a company that uses HTC phones exclusively. (I know sacrilege it's not Apple!) They were interested in an Android application. If we were to go into contract with them I was going to hire a couple of Android developers. Now, that's up in the air. Not only is potential revenue up in the air, but my company hiring people is up in the air. Net effect on the economy much? I am a small shop think about the medium shops and their fears. My potential client will read the news tomorrow and like every other smaller company hold off on everything until they see if HTC even exists in the US some months from now.
I don't know how to get up and litigate the law in front of a judge. I know what the net effect of patent law is. It crushes innovation and it crushes small business. Whether you're a mega conglomerate troll or three lawyers sitting in an office holding paper: the net effect is the same.
You can vote me down all you want LTD, but you have absolutely zero experience in anything related to my field of business. Your Apple products are your consumer toys and nothing more.
What happens is the competition will start to wake up and you might just see some real innovation for once.
If they're all infringing they all have to pay the price, one way or another. In your scenario it looks like Moto will have a problem. We already know where Google stands anyway.
Sorry about your business. Unfortunately, your (potentially) backing the wrong horse was your decision. These things happen. You can't predict certain things, especially when it seems pretty much your only client uses HTC phones exclusively. That's a pretty risky position, anyway. Tech can be tough.
But the law is the law. Blame HTC.
apple says to inovate not copy them, so why didnt they design there own and invent somthing new? thats all im saying why is it diffrent for apple
It's people like you, EE's and other scientists, who hire lawyers to defend their rights. Lawyers just don't wake up and go into court without first being hired by people like you. Additionally, courts don't hear these cases unless injured parties, who happen to be like you, bring their cases to be heard. So even though you don't give a damn about the innards of the law, it is there to protect you and every other engineer and programmer out there. And I would wager that every developer on here who felt that his or her idea was stolen and they were not justly compensated for it, would seek assistance in getting their just due.
HTC will likely win the appeal
Of course there is more to a patent than a title, but by the titles I'd say those are very old and obvious ideas that were in wide use long before there was an iPhone or even a Mac.
What next Apple patents the light bulb? This is why an appeal is likely the judge simply did not understand that these ideas 40 years old at least
Of course there is more to a patent than a title, but by the titles I'd say those are very old and obvious ideas that were in wide use long before there was an iPhone or even a Mac.
What next Apple patents the light bulb? This is why an appeal is likely the judge simply did not understand that these ideas 40 years old at least
Does not bother me at all. I may pay a small premium for the best products made, but I also make a ton of money when their stock rises. How sweet is that?
I'm not sure what you mean here. Nokia's patents were related to 3G, etc. There was no way around them.
Well that's good to hear. Maybe Google can throw out all the inside intel they got from Schmidt and actually develop their own concepts from scratch and have a good product. Competition is healthy for business, theft isn't.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but why?
Also, what are the patents that HTC has infringed upon? How are they easier to circumvent than the patents Apple infringed upon?