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Lz0 said:
What "large-scale broardband rollout". If you live more than 4KM from an exchange your stuffed.
That's a large-scale rollout by "unwired" - who are using wireless technology. Distance to a Telstra exchange is unrelated, naturally - though distance to unwired's transmitters would be an issue. Unwired claim they reach more users in Sydney than Telstra (due to Telstra's ADSL distance limit).

I'm very interested in what Unwired are doing - but I already have ADSL, and the places where I go 'wireless' are just outside the Sydney area so Unwired doesn't help. Unwired are apparently going to go to GoldCoast, Melbourne, or maybe Brisbane next....
 
GregA said:
That's a bit rude.

I'm Australian and I've lived in the US, Germany, and NZ - and they all have their pros and cons, and different cities etc in the same country still can have far different qualities!

SOME cities/towns of NZ are places I preferred to living in Sydney. I do try to avoid people with closed-minds though.

fatbarstard has a right to his opinion.

I agree that every country and cities within a country all have their pros and cons. It's just a matter of find the place that fits the most with your vision.
 
this is irritating

a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.

good thing I did not refer iTMS to any people buying artists from my label. no one in canada would get it.

thank god for Napster and Puretracks and etc....

the CMRIAA president once complained about me accusing them for the hold up. He asured me this was not the case.

Here's my note to whomever is the holdup:
My artists are thinking of pulling out of iTMS USA.

not that anyone really cares
 
iLilana said:
this is irritating
a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.
Well,that's IF Australia gets iTMS soon (or at all).I don't put much weight in this rumour!!

wdlove said:
fatbarstard has a right to his opinion.
Yeah, that doesn't mean it wasn't rude. Not only that, it was unrelated to the thread.

Some people may find some posts utter crap, but saying "you're full of crap" doesn't help. A right to an opinion is great. Discretion, knowing when not to say something, is equally valuable.
 
iLilana said:
a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.

You need to double your estimate I think...
not sure of the official census - but 20 MILL gets closer

Your point is still very valid though.
Given we only have 20MIL compared to what 240MIL in USA - then do the math...
how many Mac's / iPods do they sell here...
how much to they actually make per song...
how much time / energy / cost would be need to negotiate and establish it...

thats why they did the business smart thing - and went for the markets that would have the volume.

Don't know where else in the world would be the next biggest music or mac population base for them to have been targeting.
 
DJY said:
You need to double your estimate I think...
not sure of the official census - but 20 MILL gets closer
Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...

I imagine that with the US, Apple's home country and the population size made it first. For us smaller countries, the music label negotiations would be more the deciding issue.... just an opinion :)
 
GregA said:
Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...

Oops! :eek:
Yep - I did misread it!
DOH!

Very sorry all.
 
GregA said:
Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...

I imagine that with the US, Apple's home country and the population size made it first. For us smaller countries, the music label negotiations would be more the deciding issue.... just an opinion :)

Ok, everyone repeat after me: "Canada soon please"

:)
 
Looks like this rumor can be brought back to live.

from Tuesday's Australian Financial review Copyright nod to Fairfax

iTunes coming to store near you

Apple will launch its long-awaited iTunes Music Store in Australia in the next few weeks, according to some music industry sources.

The online store, which sells digitally encoded music tracks as downloads over the internet using Apple's popular iTunes music software, might sell music tracks for as little as 99¢ a track, one record industry source said. That is far cheaper than the US store, which sells music for US99¢ ($1.35) per track, and below the break-even point in Australia, said to be $1.45 per track.

iTunes Music Store has already been launched in the United States, Britain, France and Germany, and Apple announced last week that global sales through the service, which was first started in the US in April 2003, had reached 4million tracks a week, and 150million tracks had been sold so far.

The store works closely with Apple's iPod portable music player, which the company last week reported now accounts for 23per cent of Apple's overall revenue.

While most of the negotiations for the Australian version of the iTunes service have been conducted through the global parents of the Australian music labels, meaning that the date of an Australian launch has been a well-guarded secret, record companies that are based in Australia are said to have finished negotiations with Apple over pricing and terms and are now readying to launch the service. Apple refused to comment on the reports.

While Apple may have kick-started the legal music download business with its US launch of the service last year, it's now quite a late entrant to the Australian market, where ninemsn, Telstra, Destra Corp and others have all launched Australian services, selling music for between 95¢ and $1.90 a track.

Yesterday Destra, which supplies its destramusic.com online music store to the likes of Sanity, Chaos Music and HMV, reported its maiden profit of $128,000 for the quarter ended September 30, 2004, on sales of $2.26million.

Destra chief executive Domenic Carosa refused to speculate on how much of that revenue came from online music sales, but he said the entertainment division of Destra, which contains destramusic.com, was breaking even.

"Realistically, the numbers [of tracks being sold online] are still quite small," he said.

Ninemsn said its online music sales were still modest. "It is still very early days but we are pleased with how the market is growing," a ninemsn spokesperson said.

According to one internet industry source, one problem facing Australian online retailers was that the price being set by the record industry for the music was too high to be popular and profitable at the same time.

One online music store said that when it sold music for less than $1 a track, the promotions were "extremely successful".

But Mr Carosa said such promotions could not be sustained because the "break-even" point for online music was about $1.45 per track.

Thanks to velocite on the Whirlpool Forums (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=254581&p=-1#bottom)
 
Fingers crossed...
but I'm not holding my breath!

I agree with you aswitcher that the Bono news will most likely include annoucing new iTMS countries....

but not sure it will be AUS and CDN
haven't they already announced that more European countries will be bought on line in Oct?
 
markh said:
Woooo!!! I REALLY hope this is true and it gets announced... maybe a spart of the Apple music event next week
Or a trip to the CD store
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Don't hold your breath for iTunes Aus, there were rumors of this over a year ago, still a no show :cool:.
 
gah come on, almost every second person i see walking to uni has an ipod in their ears. if i'm on a bus in peak times i'm never the only person with white ear buds in my ears, come christmas the things are going to me everywhere. if i were apple i'd be wanting to take advantage of the situation. even my lecturers have been talking up the ipods: "we know that product sales don't always reflect which are the best products, just look at microsoft. apple have been fighting back with more great quality electronics like the ipod though"

start selling ipods with a $10 itunes music store voucher included and then open the store for business on christmas day. this christmas is going to be huge for ipods down here and i think a lot of people will be iffy about spending money on the online music thing until they have tried it out.

it isn't going to happen though :(
 
abc123 said:
i think a lot of people will be iffy about spending money on the online music thing until they have tried it out.

it isn't going to happen though :(
I believe that the Australian people actually want something to show for the money they have spent. Something that a computer Virus simply cannot take away, such as a CD/DVD-A/SACD.

Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)

If I want to own music, I get off my butt and get it down to the local record store. This has occued ~75 times (the number of CD's I own.) Save that it's onto the net to "BearShare" and free downloads. I also use this to aquire TV series that have yet to air in Australia, eg: Stargate Atlantis
 
J.Allen said:
I believe that the Australian people actually want something to show for the money they have spent. Something that a computer Virus simply cannot take away, such as a CD/DVD-A/SACD.

Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)

If I want to own music, I get off my butt and get it down to the local record store. This has occued ~75 times (the number of CD's I own.) Save that it's onto the net to "BearShare" and free downloads. I also use this to aquire TV series that have yet to air in Australia, eg: Stargate Atlantis

Well as for music...that "free" music is pirated music and denies artists their money. iTunes Music Store offers a way of getting relatively cheap copies online which is a good thing. Sure I would like the bitrate to be higher (160 or even 320) but thats no excuse to steal. If you want to advocate stealing I suggest you at least remove the bible quote from your sig. Kinda hypocritical... :rolleyes:
 
aswitcher said:
Well as for music...that "free" music is pirated music and denies artists their money.

If you want to advocate stealing I suggest you at least remove the bible quote from your sig. Kinda hypocritical... :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.

As for my Bible quote: I'm just bringing light to those who sit in darkness (this includes ingnorance,) :p
 
J.Allen said:
I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.


Really? Why bother with CDs then? Nah, this is perhaps the view of some small number of minor and maybe one or two major artists but thats all. I think your believing a view that helps you justify your piracy...along the same lines hackers use that all information should be free. I feel confident that the VAST majority of artists need/want the income to keep making their music.


As for my Bible quote: I'm just bringing light to those who sit in darkness (this includes ingnorance,) :p

Ignorance...well I guess seperation from God can be regarded as ignorance (lack of knowledge) but I dont think I am being ignorant. Trying to twist scripture to justify a position when there is other scripture that speaks plainly on the subject of theft seems pretty ...selective.

Perhaps you should take a look at Ex20:15; Mt19:18; Roman13:9; Eph4:28 to reference a few.

Anyway I think an Australian ITMS will reduce piracy and provide a successful service to us.
 
J.Allen said:
I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.

You think it's OK to steal from someone just because they're rich? Christians are so evil.
 
J.Allen said:
Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)
why would americans or english, or french or anyone?
 
broken_keyboard said:
You think it's OK to steal from someone just because they're rich? Christians are so evil.
I'm not Christain, Just saw that quote in "The Saint" staring Val Kilmer. And throught it was rather good.

I could change it to this: “Unfortunately we cannot legislate against stupidity” Honourable Mike Rann 2003.

Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.
 
J.Allen said:
Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

A debate about a physical product is really not relevant (Electricity is physical else it couldn't harm you.)

Intellectual Property is the issue. When you can get for all intensive purposes a perfect copy of a product (so not a really compressed TV or movie that is IP but is hardly anything comparable to the real thing) like music then the rightful copyright owner is denied a reasonable recompense for bringing you pleasure from their art. Because there seem to be millions of people doing this each day music makers are obviously loosing out big time. Those with big label backing are still surviving but how many that need that money for their CD are not getting enough and so aren't able to get the financial support they need/deserve to give us even more great art/music.

Whilst I like the idea of hearing a few songs from an album before I buy it (what radio and MTV and friends have been doing for years) and the net provides that opportunity (likley illegal) I think its only fair if you plan to play it often or keep it to buy the music to give the artists their money to keep making their music. My view is after a few plays if you can't delete a track/albumn you have downloaded then its only fair you buy it.
 
J.Allen said:
I'm not Christain, Just saw that quote in "The Saint" staring Val Kilmer. And throught it was rather good.

I could change it to this: “Unfortunately we cannot legislate against stupidity” Honourable Mike Rann 2003.

Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

j. allen.......thought i recognised the banter. just can't remeber the name you were using when you got banned. what was that name? that mike rann quote bought it all back.
 
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