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The question still remains - why are digital downloads still being treated as the 'poor relation' of the TV broadcast? Although the viewer numbers for iTunes are a lot lower, the studio/stations' income per viewer must be much higher than via TV broadcast.

Why not offer the show simultaneously with the TV broadcast or (gasp!) ahead of it? People would buy the iTunes version for a sneak peak; and it it's good will still probably watch the show on TV.
 
daily show: 9.99 for 16 episodes! 😱
colbert report: 9.99 for 16 episodes!!😱 😱

<edit>70ish% <edit>off shows for buying in advance..... i wonder what apple's thinking is, and what the actual profits are.
 
freeny said:
Never ever ever ever going to happen

Not to nitpick, but it already has happened--twice, if I'm not mistaken. I think it depends on what the producers of the show and the network suits predict for an early release of a show. In the cases of Battlestar Galactica and Conviction, I think it helped. I certainly would not have seen the Conviction pilot had it not been offered the way it was.

I think you're generally right though, a pre-air release may be limited to a season premiere or a series premiere as an isolated promotion, not a rule. That's not to say I wouldn't welcome it.
 
donga said:
daily show: 9.99 for 16 episodes! 😱
colbert report: 9.99 for 16 episodes!!😱 😱

50% off shows for buying in advance..... i wonder what apple's thinking is, and what the actual profits are.

Indeed, if Apple is not just passing on savings from a discount they get on the subscription. I wonder what their profits are, and what or if this is doing to their profit margin.
 
freeny said:
Never ever ever ever going to happen

Probably not, but I don't see logically why not. I can see that some people might watch the TV show, then not be that interested in buying it on iTunes, but I don't see the reverse. If people see a good episode on iTunes (first), I think they'd be even more likely to tune in and watch it (in HD) on TV. And they make more from each iTunes buyer than each TV viewer.

I don't see the reason, other than a fear of change.

(p.s. i know you've probably been asked this before, but who's that in your avi?)
 
Comedy Central is tricksy!

Really smart move on their part, these are 2 shows that would never be on DVD anyway. New revenue stream, baby! 🙂
 
This isn't really an actual subscription, or at least it does not seem like one. It seems more like a "pack" of episodes for a really good price. I support this kind of service. 🙂 I just hope Apple doesn't ever go with actual subscription models. Owning the content is perfect and that's how it should stay.
 
Nice and all - I'd definitely consider it if they do it for The Sopranos. I'd actually spend money on it if they drop the DRM and I can actually watch what I buy on devices other than my iMac (or iPod, if I owned a video iPod). Till then, last I checked I can still get DVDs of all the new 2006 movies and shows right down the corner 3 for $20.
 
My dream

I seem to be in the minority here, but my dream would be for Apple to release a membership style service where I can pay a reasonably priced monthly fee and using my remote and Front Row to order and immediately start watching as its downloading whatever TV and movie content I selected. I want my Mac mini that is connected to my TV to work like an appliance, I never want to see its Desktop or iTunes, just Front Row. I don't care about keeping the files as I don't want to bother with file storage issues. As long as I am a member, I'll stream it in again. Storing them would be optional, for example so I could put them on my video iPod. If I stop paying, they don't play. Simple.
 
freeny said:
Never ever ever ever going to happen

Wrong. Don't say iTunes will never show something before it airs. It's already happened. NBC's "Conviction" or whatever it's called debuted for FREE on iTMS a week before it aired.
 
Newspaper/Magazine model

esaleris said:
OH NOW I GET IT

It just struck me now why Apple is doing this! In my twisted little mind, I see the game plan - and I think it's a good theory.

Apple wants us to get used to the subscription idea - of paying $9.99 a month for something. This, most people would say is obvious. And the movie industry wants that. They want the content sitting on their porch, pulled when they say, and put back as is. They would only accept a "rental"/Netflix-type philosophy.

But Apple wants us to be happy with its subscription. Happiness and satisfaction equals longer-term profit. And we are okay with a subscription, as long as we get to keep stuff. Most of us would be okay if Apple's subscription were more of a membership than a subscription - you get content as you keep paying, but you can keep the content even after membership.

So how can Apple reconcile this? By bundling.

"Huh," you say? Well, think of it this way, if you paid $29.99 a month for Apple content, and you got to keep all the TV shows, and got to watch a couple of movies that would eventually be defunct, that'd be somewhat OK. After all, you still get to keep South Park and The Daily Show.

It would be in their interest.... If you really wanted to movie, you'd get the DVD, wouldn't you? I mean, a family favorite is going to to be a family favorite. What Apple wants to hook are people who just want to watch on-demand movies on iTunes. They've been selling TV shows for 1/2 a year, and it's a great way to hook a higher-value subscription with movies to drive a vPod, while keeping us happy.

It's somewhat of a bait and switch, but it turns the value proposition around so that we get something in return and pits the TV show industry to compete with the movie industry, instead of both competing against Apple for profit!

This is the first foray. They want to see if the idea of a memberships works, and with some TV shows. It's a test run. And we all know they are interested in movies. So it makes sense if you think about it. Or at least it does to me.

If you think about it, this is really the same model that's used to sell magazines and newspaper. You might pay $5 for an individual magazine, but pre-buy a years subscription to the magazine about a substantial discount on the avg cost of each issue.

You basically own the magazine and keep the one you like or trash the ones you don't. Pretty simple concept that's been around forever and everyone can understand.

As far as pricing, I dunno how that works for digital media. I think magazine publishers make up for subscriptions through volume and having the money up front. Dunno how digital content works though
 
grimmcwh said:
I seem to be in the minority here, but my dream would be for Apple to release a membership style service where I can pay a reasonably priced monthly fee and using my remote and Front Row to order and immediately start watching as its downloading whatever TV and movie content I selected. I want my Mac mini that is connected to my TV to work like an appliance, I never want to see its Desktop or iTunes, just Front Row. I don't care about keeping the files as I don't want to bother with file storage issues. As long as I am a member, I'll stream it in again. Storing them would be optional, for example so I could put them on my video iPod. If I stop paying, they don't play. Simple.

I wholly agree. Then again, I never got on the buy-the-DVD bandwagon. I probably have 15 DVDs of movies I really like that I've picked up over the years. After I've seen a movie -- even a really good one -- I'm probably not going to watch it again. I will occasionally see an older movie that I might have seen once or twice before, but that's why God made Netflix.

Same for TV. I'll watch a new episode of "The Office," and I might watch it again if it plays as a rerun, but I have no desire and no hard drive space to warehouse a bunch of movies and TV shows that I will probably never watch again.
 
whooleytoo said:
The question still remains - why are digital downloads still being treated as the 'poor relation' of the TV broadcast? Although the viewer numbers for iTunes are a lot lower, the studio/stations' income per viewer must be much higher than via TV broadcast.

Why not offer the show simultaneously with the TV broadcast or (gasp!) ahead of it? People would buy the iTunes version for a sneak peak; and it it's good will still probably watch the show on TV.
I'm guessing it's because the TV stations pay a lot of money for the privelege of airing programs on a first-run basis. Another factor is that the iTMS shows don't have any commercials.
 
I guess the subscription is ok as long as you get to own the material. That means this is pretty much the same as buying an album instead of buying it track by track, which is much more expensive in most cases.

So thumbs up for this news, if it's true.
 
This is great. Now I can give up on Bit Torrent. TDS is so topical it makes sense to let you own them. This is a nice small step for Apple towards full movie downloads.
 
I think this is a great step for Apple and the ITMS ... Hopefully episodes of Conan will be released sooner than later 😎
 
FoxyKaye said:
Till then, last I checked I can still get DVDs of all the new 2006 movies and shows right down the corner 3 for $20.
Just out of curiosity and assuming that the store around the corner is a legitimate store and not someone bootlegging movies... where are you getting 3 new releases for 20 bucks? Also, where are you getting 3 new shows for 20 bucks? I would assume that TV Seasons cost 30+ at least when they come up (Canadian, not sure of average US prices) and new movie DVD's rarely drop below 20 for ONE!
 
Finally! I am oh-so-tempted to buy "The Daily Show With John Stewart" multi-pass.😀
There's just one thing holding me back - it's all still at 320 x 240... If only they were at 640 x 480 so that the shows would fit nicely on the rumored new iPod, or any standard television, I'd be sold.
 
Call Apple's new "Multi-Pass" a true subscription - just like when you subscribe to a podcast. It's an automatic download.

All those other services really have a "streaming" service, where you are not left with anything to show for your $. They're like a car lease - pay as you go, while you use it. But the minute you stop paying, you lose it.
 
FoxyKaye said:
Nice and all - I'd definitely consider it if they do it for The Sopranos. I'd actually spend money on it if they drop the DRM and I can actually watch what I buy on devices other than my iMac (or iPod, if I owned a video iPod). Till then, last I checked I can still get DVDs of all the new 2006 movies and shows right down the corner 3 for $20.

So you could you get Deadwood Season 1, Sopranos Season 5 and Entourage Season 1 for $20? What's the name of the place? 😕
 
Multi-Pass = Lame

For me anyway, this Multi-Pass option is pretty lame.

I don't understand the obsession with owning TV shows. How many times can you watch an episode of a show? It's especially stupid for something with topical content like The Daily Show. Plus this model can get VERY expensive if you start buying Multi-Passes for seven or eight of your favorite shows.

Personally, I'd prefer an option that let me watch as many shows as I wanted for a set amount of time and then they expire. This would become a cross between cable and podcasting. My iMac is my bedroom TV anyway. I'd be thrilled to ditch cable and use the iTMS as an on-demand service.

Perhaps eventually there will be a three tier model...

A la carte - $1.99 an episode (you own it)
Multi-pass - $9.99 for 16 (you own them)
Unlimited - $19.99 for all the shows you can watch (they expire one week after viewing)
 
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