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That’s the problem and beauty of iPhone. They create a good product but it’s not always enough to need or want to upgrade each year.
I don’t think I’ve heard it put like that before but damn is that so true. I guess it’s a master-class in design insofar as it’s reliable like a Ford Model T - reminds me of a quote from Warhol about a rich person buying the same coke a poor person buys. Democratizing technology to such a degree is beautiful you’re right. But it also eschews the wilder designs and features. Not a bad thing mind you but sometimes I hope for a wilder swing- mainly because I still remember what a game-changer the original iPhone was when I got it (replaced a Nokia e61 with Symbian)
 
I don’t think I’ve heard it put like that before but damn is that so true. I guess it’s a master-class in design insofar as it’s reliable like a Ford Model T - reminds me of a quote from Warhol about a rich person buying the same coke a poor person buys. Democratizing technology to such a degree is beautiful you’re right. But it also eschews the wilder designs and features. Not a bad thing mind you but sometimes I hope for a wilder swing- mainly because I still remember what a game-changer the original iPhone was when I got it (replaced a Nokia e61 with Symbian)

I think it’s also because apple did use to have an upgrade system that made a bit more sense. The updated were more substantial.

The s models.

If you had a non s model there was really no need to upgrade unless it had a specific feature you really wanted.

I was a non s model girl so I would always upgrade to non s models. My brother was a s model owner so he’d always get the next s model.

Then the original plus models. It depended on what you want size wise.

Now it’s harder because iPhones 13-16 are really incremental upgrades and not major game changers like we are used to.

The iPhone 16 would have been more game changing but the apple intelligence rollout has been a mess which is very unlike apple.
 
Nope. Its dumb. They have nothing to bring to tvs. It’s a dumb flat panel. No one’s gonna spend Apple tax on such a simple device.
 
Let me guess Apple will make the first built in 3D TV without use of 3D glasses available for the first time to the public lmao. I forgot they already did Vision Pro that no one can afford to buy it.
 
I was pleased that my new Sony, my first new TV in 18 years, gave me the option to set it up as a dumb TV with the Sony interface, rather than all that Google crap.

You've probably answered this already, but what TV? That's awesome that there's still an option at all. I'm betting it was a fairly expensive TV though.

Which I guess is the thing still, we can have big cheap TVs with garbage software that's constantly selling advertising data, or pay up front for quality.
 
So no wonder it takes awhile lmao. You have a bunch of random stuff attached to it lol.
I wouldn't consider an Apple TV and a sound bar "random stuff" - I mean, that's pretty standard, it's not like an oscilloscope and a toaster oven - but sure.

The way you made it sound I thought you were waiting minutes lmao
"The way you made it sound" ... I think you're confusing two different conversations.
 
That’s the problem and beauty of iPhone. They create a good product but it’s not always enough to need or want to upgrade each year.
It's not a problem, I'd argue you're looking at it wrong. They come out with more revolutionary upgrades every 3-5 years or so (like the 6/7/8 to X transition). In between, they have two choices: make evolutionary incremental changes every year, to update to newer technology, or have the phone sit stagnant for 3-5 years until the next revolutionary model comes out. Aside from this causing huge sales right after a new model and then a sales drought for 3+ years, in the latter scenario, it means that if you're not in lockstep with that exact upgrade cycle, you're "forced" to buy substantially older tech - say your phone is destroyed 4½ years into a 5 year upgrade cycle - your only recourse (staying in the iPhone ecosystem) would be to buy a 4½ year old phone, with what is at that point, quite aged tech, instead of (in the current scenario) a six month old phone.

It's better to let the revolutionary changes come when they're ready, but offer a steady stream of incremental updates each year, so whenever someone buys a new phone, it's reasonably up to date with the latest tech. You're really not meant to upgrade every year (would you upgrade your house or car every year?). That's wasteful, and just leads to a lot of unnecessary outrage about "this year's model offers me nothing over last year's model!!1!" (no, actually, it offers a faster processor, better cameras, and a variety of other upgrades over last year's model). Keep your current iPhone until it breaks, or runs too slowly for apps you use, or the new one offers a feature you really want/need. I recently upgraded to an iPhone 16 Pro, from an iPhone 8, and the differences are astounding.
 
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Word. I love the screen in my LG OLED but I just wish I could turn off all the smart content.
Unplug it from ethernet (or clear out the WiFi credentials) and it won't be smart any more.

I have an LG C1. The display is glorious. I never clicked "agree" on most of the license agreements, the ones which are necessary to start up the "smart" bits of the TV. I never see any of the LG menus or apps. I use the TV as a display for my Apple TV and PS5, and the only times I ever touch the LG remote are to watch the occasional OTA broadcast (Olympics, SuperBowl, SNL).
 
It's not a problem
No you’re right. I’m not saying it’s a problem for apple so much as for us.

I think we see android phones come out with something huge each release which makes iPhones seem smaller so those who want something big and flashy every year are upset and it’s boring.

To me. I am fine with it. I like the fact that every year is not some big event. The 11 is the longest I’ve kept a phone even though it’s now regulated to media or gps mode and I use my 16 pm
 
I wouldn't consider an Apple TV and a sound bar "random stuff" - I mean, that's pretty standard, it's not like an oscilloscope and a toaster oven - but sure.

Random as in you have other things attached to it so of course it’ll take a few seconds to load.
"The way you made it sound" ... I think you're confusing two different conversations
Not confused at all. You literally made it sound like you were waiting a long time for it to load. Less than a minute to sync together everything from the tv, Apple TV and your soundbar is not a long time lol. My iPhone takes about 30 seconds to come on lmao
 
Unplug it from ethernet (or clear out the WiFi credentials) and it won't be smart any more.

I have an LG C1. The display is glorious. I never clicked "agree" on most of the license agreements, the ones which are necessary to start up the "smart" bits of the TV. I never see any of the LG menus or apps. I use the TV as a display for my Apple TV and PS5, and the only times I ever touch the LG remote are to watch the occasional OTA broadcast (Olympics, SuperBowl, SNL).
I tried to do that. The C3 just nags me constantly about being offline.
 
Not confused at all. You literally made it sound like you were waiting a long time for it to load. Less than a minute to sync together everything from the tv, Apple TV and your soundbar is not a long time lol. My iPhone takes about 30 seconds to come on lmao
My first comment on the topic was the one saying it takes 10-15 seconds to fully start up. I wasn't describing it as taking a long time, simply adding an example to a conversation you were already having.
 
My first comment on the topic was the one saying it takes 10-15 seconds to fully start up. I wasn't describing it as taking a long time, simply adding an example to a conversation you were already having.
and overall i was responding to you not the conversation you added too. your initial statement and subsequent reply sounded melodramatic to me hence my reponse
 
You've probably answered this already, but what TV? That's awesome that there's still an option at all. I'm betting it was a fairly expensive TV though. Which I guess is the thing still, we can have big cheap TVs with garbage software that's constantly selling advertising data, or pay up front for quality.

Sorry for the late reply. On the contrary, it was the smallest (43”) cheapest (£500) Sony on sale at Costco. KD-43X80L.
 
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