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Yeah, but that was when smartphones were more geared towards enterprise and resistive touchscreens were all the rage.

So? You suggested that people were choosing iOS over Windows Phone because of the head start. Not because of the actual product. :)
 
What ever they do with the flatness in design in iOS 7.. it wouldn't matter, EXCEPT it's Game Over if they decide to remove the ICON / DOCK GLOSS on homescreen. It's what gives a distinctive premium feeling to iPhone over rest of the phones.

Or it isn't because the vast majority doesn't agree with your opinion that it is the dock gloss etc that makes the iphone feel 'premium'

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How should I know? My point was that Steve seemed to know what consumers would love and how to amaze them. If Steve were still in charge of Apple right now, I'd be confident that iOS 7 was going to deliver.

The ironic part is that he really didn't know. Apple doesn't do focus groups etc. Basically Steve decided what they were going to give folks and told them to like it and they did. Rather than finding out what they wanted and giving that to them

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Other question is: They pulled a lot of OS X 10.9 engineers to work on iOS 7.

We don't know that they pulled 'a lot' of engineers. Or even that it was as implied because the software is behind schedule. This 'pull' could have been planned from the start. To have fresh eyes to help debug and to make sure that the two UIs are in sync with various changes.

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I don't give a **** about gloss. I do care about app selection, stability, and performance.

I think the vast majority would agree with this. Forstall and his team spent a lot of time putting in cute easter eggs of moving shadows on the knobs and buttons and missed huge bugs in iOS 6. THAT is likely a key factor in why he's no longer with the company. If Ive removing the cute means more time to look for and correct bugs then all the better
 
The ironic part is that he really didn't know. Apple doesn't do focus groups etc. Basically Steve decided what they were going to give folks and told them to like it and they did. Rather than finding out what they wanted and giving that to them.

There's a lot of romanticizing of Steve Jobs going on since you he died. People b*tched about Apple and what it was/wasn't doing just as much then than they're doing now. This idea that Steve Jobs is the only one who would know what to do, the only one with good taste, the only one who knows how to come up with innovative products is hogwash.
 
This thread is hilarious... Everyone complaining about losing Apple's "premium feel" doesn't understand who is now in charge of software design. This guy is renowned for his work in PREMIUM feel in design. You are all going to be praising the new look when you see it.

THIS is what I am hoping for.
 
What ever they do with the flatness in design in iOS 7.. it wouldn't matter, EXCEPT it's Game Over if they decide to remove the ICON / DOCK GLOSS on homescreen. It's what gives a distinctive premium feeling to iPhone over rest of the phones.

The only reason millions choose iPhones over Windows Phones and other phones is because it looks nice and premium when they first look at the homescreen. The rich icon gloss and dock gloss effects are really inviting the user to interact with the device. I love swiping through home screens multiple times a day.. icons are so nice to look and it just that great looking..

What ever they decide to do with iOS 7.. if they ever decide to let go of the ICON GLOSS on homescreen.. iPhone will become the next Windows Phone.. a third tier phone.

You clearly know nothing about design.

Gloss and glass effects are considered to belong in the year 2000 in the design world, it was part of the "web 2.0" era where everything had a glossy glass effect.

That glass effect looks cheap and tacky and as any designer would tell you, it is poor design.
 
People over think too much. The iPhone does everything once could want from a mobile device. The variety of apps keep me up to date on everything and the phone calls (the most basic feature) works very well with the proximity sensor. Android or BB or anything else may do the same but I haven't found the fluidity in any other phone. I could care less how the UI looks till the time it looks at least decent and does the job it is meant to.
 
Whenever I see an absolute in the topic I scroll through the thread to see if the OP has contributed to the conversation. If not, then it's a Troll.

Some good points though here and there from those that did contribute. :)
 
I don't see the designs going completely flat, just flatter and less exuberant. Here's a mockup that's been circulating online, I think it will go somewhere in this direction, just like the new music app in iOS 6.

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Also, I think the overall direction will be similiar to how the facebook icon evolved.

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I don't see the designs going completely flat, just flatter and less exuberant. Here's a mockup that's been circulating online, I think it will go somewhere in this direction, just like the new music app in iOS 6.

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Also, I think the overall direction will be similiar to how the facebook icon evolved.

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I hope they manage to clean up that settings menu a little bit. I'm starting to find it cumbersome.
 
I kinda like the skeuomorphisms. :(

Still, Apple has always excelled at design. I'm sure they'll live up to their name.

I like skeumorphic animations. Like when you delete a pass from passbook. The shredder is kind of cool. However, I do not enjoy the skeumorphic "look". I for one hope they keep things like transitions (opening a new app and such). I find that (and things like expose and minimizing on mac) pleasing.
 
I don't see the designs going completely flat, just flatter and less exuberant. Here's a mockup that's been circulating online, I think it will go somewhere in this direction, just like the new music app in iOS 6.

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Also, I think the overall direction will be similiar to how the facebook icon evolved.

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I like this design a lot. It's much more beautiful and appealing.
 
Personally I've never heard of anyone showing their preference for iPhones because of how the icons look. Infact it will probably sound ridiculous if the sales person told me to consider buying one cos of the icons.

Sales guy: What are you looking for in a phone?
Customer: I really want reflective, glossy icons..

Sales guy would probably laugh in his face. lol.
 
I thought the icon gloss was a setting, let Apple add gloss or leave it when you upload your app? Other than that, simplicity usually wins in my opinion but looks are no deal-breaker. Functionality <3

Yeah, it's actually the default unless you intentionally disable it. I think it's telling that a lot of apps are getting away from it.
 
I hope they manage to clean up that settings menu a little bit. I'm starting to find it cumbersome.

Isn't it though. It's starting to feel like new features are being crammed into iOS to me. Like an afterthought and not a very good one at that.

Personally I don't think *I* should be able to think of a better layout for settings being I'm not a developer or anything like that. But I think I could.
 
It's game over if IOS7 fundamentally changes the UI paradigm. Too many grandmothers and completely non technical people use and like the current paradigm to make wholesale changes.
 
Most people just get an iPhone because everyone has one not because of its features.

Is it?? :D And their friends buy it because their other friends have it, who saw the other friends buy it and so on and on....? Simple as that, just splash £600 because other friends do it.

Seriously... some people!!
 
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