Its my time to upgrade to Lion

[blacktape242]

I wouldnt yet, i am so fed up with my computer sucking now. safari sucks, mail sucks, ichat sucks, ical sucks. All of these apps keep stalling and are super slow. I have does re installs, upgraded my ram. My macbook pro is not even a year old and i can hardly do my work on it. Even after 10.7.2 it still sucks.

Sorry, im a bit frustrated. I wish I could go back to 10.6.x or apple would address this problem.

 

[johnhurley]

Sorry, im a bit frustrated. I wish I could go back to 10.6.x or apple would address this problem.

Why can't you go back? You don't have a good backup in place from before the Lion upgrade?

You can probably still move all your current documents etc over to some external storage and re-install 10.6 and move them back even if not using time machine to do that.

When you say 10.7.2 is slow ... have you done some analysis using things like activity monitor to see where your problems are ( cpu consumption, memory usage, disk activity etc )?

 

[sweetbrat]

My macbook pro is not even a year old and i can hardly do my work on it. Even after 10.7.2 it still sucks.

Sorry, im a bit frustrated. I wish I could go back to 10.6.x or apple would address this problem.

My hubby is running Lion on my old 2008 MBP, and we gave my Mom his old white MB which I think is a 2007. They're both running Lion just fine. Did you do a clean install of the OS? If you just upgraded, maybe there's a problem with one of the applications you have on it? Just throwing some ideas out there, because it should be running better than it is on your computer. Can you give us any info about your computer specs?

 

[blacktape242]

Why can't you go back? You don't have a good backup in place from before the Lion upgrade?

You can probably still move all your current documents etc over to some external storage and re-install 10.6 and move them back even if not using time machine to do that.

When you say 10.7.2 is slow ... have you done some analysis using things like activity monitor to see where your problems are ( cpu consumption, memory usage, disk activity etc )?

I cant go back because i have done quite a bit since the update. I have done lots of analysis and i dont see anything thats wrong. I have used the disk utility, and other system performance tools. I maxed out the ram to 8bg, i have plenty of HD room. My CPU usage is minimal. I could do a clean install but not sure how too. Almost every app. stalls and i get the pinwheel way more then i should.

 

[johnhurley]

I cant go back because i have done quite a bit since the update. I have done lots of analysis and i dont see anything thats wrong. I have used the disk utility, and other system performance tools. I maxed out the ram to 8bg, i have plenty of HD room. My CPU usage is minimal. I could do a clean install but not sure how too. Almost every app. stalls and i get the pinwheel way more then i should.

How about trying to reproduce your stalls?

In terminal try running "iostat -n 99 -d -w 1" ( which should do 99 runs of iostat 1 second apart ... not quite sure if this is correct syntax on mac os x so maybe try a man on iostat first or test it out ).

In other words get the iostat running first and try to reproduce a stall ... iostat should give you a good idea of the io performance on your system while you say it is beachballing ).

Post the output here and we can see what people think ...

 

[cjmillsnun]

Did you repair permissions after the install? Makes a BIG difference...

Makes no difference at all. Repair permissions hasn't done much to OS reliability since Panther.

 

[blacktape242]

Makes no difference at all. Repair permissions hasn't done much to OS reliability since Panther.

agreed

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How about trying to reproduce your stalls?

In terminal try running "iostat -n 99 -d -w 1" ( which should do 99 runs of iostat 1 second apart ... not quite sure if this is correct syntax on mac os x so maybe try a man on iostat first or test it out ).

In other words get the iostat running first and try to reproduce a stall ... iostat should give you a good idea of the io performance on your system while you say it is beachballing ).

Post the output here and we can see what people think ...

sorry i have no clue how to use the terminal. How would i do a clean install? would i loose all my settings?

 

[johnhurley]

sorry i have no clue how to use the terminal.

Use finder if you don't have path finder installed ... terminal is an application ... open the terminal application and copy/paste the command I gave you ( without the double quotes ).

Then reproduce the stall ... then post the iostat output here.

Just one way to proceed ...

To do a clean install you erase your current disk and re-install Lion onto that disk. Don't proceed without a backup in place.

 

[lotones]

Makes no difference at all. Repair permissions hasn't done much to OS reliability since Panther.

agreed

As I posted before...

I've installed Lion twice, on two iMacs. Both times it was super buggy, for days, until I repaired permissions.

ymmv

Now, I could have believed you two and others, and not even tried repairing permissions because "that hasn't worked since Panther", and just continually posted about what a "buggy POS Lion is".

But I decided to try it anyway and hey! Look at that... it worked! Twice. On two different machines.

Maybe it won't work for you. At least you will have ruled that out.

FWIW, Lion runs great for me.

 

[blacktape242]

Use finder if you don't have path finder installed ... terminal is an application ... open the terminal application and copy/paste the command I gave you ( without the double quotes ).

Then reproduce the stall ... then post the iostat output here.

Just one way to proceed ...

To do a clean install you erase your current disk and re-install Lion onto that disk. Don't proceed without a backup in place.

ok, tried the terminal command and of course couldn't get it to do a stall. murphys law....

i will try a clean install then restore from back up and see how that works....

that is the correct way of doing it right?

 

[blacktape242]

ok tried again during a stall, which are happening all the time now!

this is the read out:

KB/t tps MB/s
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
0.00 0 0.00
10.82 244 2.57

that part at the end of when it starts working again....

 

[seveej]

If I took a guess I would have to say this statement:

Or should I say "downgrade" to Lion

Coming with a legit question is one thing but approaching it with that attitude will lose some people (even if it is a common statement on this forum). If you yourself (based on all your research and reading about Lion) consider it a downgrade why would you go there? If you don't why would you even mention it?

I consider it a extremely legit question. The whole "back to the mac" -operation is nothing more than fu**ing-over mac professionals and power users on a cosmic scale.

I hate myself for sounding like someone resisting all change, but really:
I currently run two computers an iMac running 10.6 and a MBAlu running 10.5.
I have been planning on (or dreaming for) a one-machine-setup for some time now. With the new sandy bridge notebooks and the TB display, that option suddenly seemed more than feasible.
Until it hit me: No rosetta!
It was bad enough that 10.6 broke a sh**load of software (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/snow-leopard-mac-osx-compatibility,8556.html ) mostly for no apparent reason. But now thanks to Lion no longer supporting PPC code (depreciating rosetta - again without a valid technical reason), the situation is worse.

No more freehand, no more Adobe CS 2, a lot of old-school tools I use and some classic games.

In short, going to Lion will break a lot of software I use on a daily basis.
In a way you could say it's my own fault - that I've continued to use age-old software. Then again, had (for instance) Adobe offered something really worthwhile in the last 5 years I probably had updated. They haven't, so I haven't.
For someone earning approx. 10k$/year (full-time-student), unnecessary software updates are not an option.

So if I go for a new mac I'll either
• have to go for the cheapest hardware alternative or postpone the whole shebang (which Apple hardly would like) as I can't afford to upgrade software,
• get pirated versions of software (which I have until now studiously avoided) or
• move more and more of my work over to Windows on parallels, because as much as I hate windows, M$ does not treat it's long time customers as badly as Apple and the softwares I've bought almost a decade ago still work.

It's a different ballgame for new users (like my friend who after being an IBM-M$ person for all his adult life bought an MBA with Lion a few weeks ago), but considering the long time users and professionals who have thousands of dollars/euros invested in a platform, I'd want Apple to show a modicum of respect.

RGDS,