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Whining here isn't going to suddenly wake up the engineers, developers & assembly lines so they can start cranking out the iMacs.

They'll be announced and released when Apple decides they're ready. If you need a computer in the meantime, by all means buy one. But don't expect results just because you decided to open post #53 on the same subject because adding to an existing discussion isn't meme enough.
 
Isn't meme enough? What is that even supposed to mean?

I think he meant "me too, me too" because everyone wants to make the same point but post a new post in the forum instead of just adding to one of the others lamenting having to wait longer than they want.
 
I think he meant "me too, me too" because everyone wants to make the same point but post a new post in the forum instead of just adding to one of the others lamenting having to wait longer than they want.

Oh ok. That would make sense. I thought he actually meant the word meme.
 
I agree it's not just iMac sales that are affected. Me personally am affected on a very emotional level by this F'in disaster. :)
 
I'm not talking about migrating just one machine over to Apple, but a small network of Windows machines with a substantial amount of data. The MacBook Pro is totally out of the running for my needs as a central repository-- the most obvious failing is that it has less than half the disk capacity I've said I need!

Almost every response has failed to acknowledge the main point of the thread, which is that Apple's failure to refresh the iMac has affected not just my iMac purchase but many others. I'm not going to be buying iPads, iPhones, more MacBooks, TimeCapsule and AirPrint printer until I feel confident about the main aspect of the migration.

Why does the storage have to be all onboard vs. TB or FW800? Your data storage needs sound similar to that of photogs and video enthusiasts; they don't keep all that onboard but daisy chain disks off of their machine. Is it the lack of elegance that you don't like, or is there a functional reason that you need 2TB internal storage?
 
It's most likely an issue of component and production timing

First of all, I get the OP's point. I am also massively frustrated by Apple's current focus on iToys and mobile solutions.

But I think it's important to realize this is the beginning of the holiday shopping season. It's a gizmo time of the year. Apple just launched iP5 and MBPr, both with issues that are slowing up the product pipeline. And now they are about to launch a smaller iPad. So Apple is trying to simultaneously deliver all these potential holiday gifts in time to meet the demand. Millions of units.

Regarding the iMac, it's likely as per the rumors they are having lamination problems, especially for the bigger screens. Since iMac's are not the right form-factor for holiday gifts, I think Apple's priorities are obvious. Make sure we get the holiday gizmo money.

Tim Cook is on record either saying or implying they have new iMac's and Mac Pro's in the pipeline. We know the new Mac Pro is due to be launched in 2013. Cook even broke silence to assure the pro users that there's a new one coming.

My guess, based on the most likely rumors, is that they intended on launching the new iMac in early Fall but started having production issues that they hadn't anticipated. So they pushed the launch date forward.

We know Apple is not an incremental upgrade company. It's not what they do. Their goal is to shake up the marketplace with innovation. And that's exciting for gizmos, but it can be frustrating if you are trying to build a stable system.

My solution is to selectively rebuild parts of my system until I have a reasonably solid sense of what they are going to do. And right now, I have no idea how far they are going to go with the iMac or the new Mac Pro.

If I've learned anything from Apple, whenever it gets too quiet, it's time to step back from the bleeding edge. Let the fanboys and girls be the beta testers.
 
an imac is part of the itoy line up.

If you are pro, you get a MBP if you want portability, and a mac pro if you want power (and tim cook even promised you a big upgrade in 2013 for the MP.)

The hint is in the name...pro...whining about an imac refresh is like whining that the ipad isn't powerful enough (usb 3, 680M GPU etc). It just makes someone sound dumb. An ipad costs 900$ and an imac costs 1100$. Anyone complaining they won't spend the money on "old technology" doesn't make any sense as the imac is leagues more powerful than the ipad.
 
an imac is part of the itoy line up.

If you are pro, you get a MBP if you want portability, and a mac pro if you want power (and tim cook even promised you a big upgrade in 2013 for the MP.)

The hint is in the name...pro...whining about an imac refresh is like whining that the ipad isn't powerful enough (usb 3, 680M GPU etc). It just makes someone sound dumb. An ipad costs 900$ and an imac costs 1100$. Anyone complaining they won't spend the money on "old technology" doesn't make any sense as the imac is leagues more powerful than the ipad.

You have reached and exaggerated ever single point you made, you're not even worth debating.
 
ITA I want a new iPhone 5 but can't get one until I upgrade my Mac to something Intel and while the 27" iMac would be more than enough of an upgrade from my G5PM I'm NOT spending my money on last years computers since I'm likely to hang on to it for 3-4 years.

So my PowerMac and 3Gs will just have to wait until the Ivy Bridge powered iMac comes along.
 
I'm not talking about migrating just one machine over to Apple, but a small network of Windows machines with a substantial amount of data. The MacBook Pro is totally out of the running for my needs as a central repository-- the most obvious failing is that it has less than half the disk capacity I've said I need!

Almost every response has failed to acknowledge the main point of the thread, which is that Apple's failure to refresh the iMac has affected not just my iMac purchase but many others. I'm not going to be buying iPads, iPhones, more MacBooks, TimeCapsule and AirPrint printer until I feel confident about the main aspect of the migration.

I started out with a G4 mini. I loved it. I then got my hands on a 2008 white Macbook. I loved it even more. One by one, I replaced all the windoze boxes in my house with Mac minis. I switched off the last pain in the a$$ windoze box just over 2 years ago and I've never been happier.

I like what you're trying to do but there's no reason to do it all at once and you are not obligated to go "all Apple." For instance, I had a Time Capsule which died and I wound up getting it replaced by Apple for free... sans my data. I never got that data back again. I had an Airport Extreme as my router and wifi and an Airport Express as an extender. The Express started overheating and actually slowing down the network. Then the AEBS started slowing down. No firmware updates for almost a year so I decided to invest in a third party wifi access point and use the AEBS only for the guest network. I also invested in third party NAS boxes. I use Synology boxes. That solves all my storage problems. I have a DS212J and a DS112J. These are a much better value than a Time Capsule. The only caveat is that it is possible for a TC to save local caches of Apple software updates so you don't have to download them 6 times for 6 Macs.

My most recent Apple purchase is a late 2011 MBP with "hires" display. It's 1680 x 1050. It seems insulting to call that "hires" when these days you can get a 1080p monitor for $99. So I now have my hires MBP sitting next to a 1080p display and that row of 30 pixels really doesn't make a difference. Did Apple rest on its laurels and fail to compete on display resolution? No. If you want more resolution, there is always the Retina Macbook Pro. I was interested in saving money so I bought the Oct 2011 model new in box last month for $900 off the original price from Microcenter. I popped in 16 GB of RAM and I'll pop in a 512 GB SSD as soon as they hit 50 cents a gigabyte. I've already put SSD in all our older Macs. I'm very happy with all my purchases (except the 1st Gen Time Capsule).

I'm (almost) completely delighted with my (almost) all-Apple household. The main point is I didn't try to do it all at once and I didn't buy Apple gear for things where there was no clear Apple advantage. In your situation, I suggest grabbing a Mini now if you need one and wait for the iMac refresh before getting one. I suggest an AEBS as a router but be prepared to add an access point someday if it gets the slow wifi flu. I have found the AEBS to be absolutely the best router I've ever had when it comes to being immune to Comcast's bullcrap. I went through a string of routers before the AEBS and all of them required resetting as often as weekly and as seldom as monthly. I've only reset the AEBS a couple of times when I was investigating the slow wifi issue. I now have D-link and TP-link access points. One was $79 and one was $35. I used to get a constant litany of tech support requests from family members. "Dad I can't print" and "Dad the internet is down." Now I never hear that. Ever. That's what an all-Apple household is all about. Total Cost of Ownership is lower because I'm almost never fixing stuff.

For best results, watch the MR buyers' guides before you buy any Apple gear. If it says "buy now" you are safe. If it says "mid cycle" or "don't buy" I suggest you hold off unless you want the unpleasant surprise of reading about a new model while you are taking yours out of the box. This is what happened to me when I got my 2008 Macbook. I wound up taking it back to get the newer Penryn model and back then I had to pay restocking.

As for Apple giving up on the desktop, I don't think that's true or we wouldn't have seen a retina Macbook Pro this year. They are selling an ecosystem where you have an excellent music store, easy to use phone and tablet and a computer that is always in sync without you having to think about it. While Apple hasn't given up on the desktop, it is fair to say they are beginning to view the desktop as something they have to keep around to support sales of iThings. Oh well. I don't care about motive as long as they treat me right.
 
The MacBook Pro is totally out of the running for my needs as a central repository...

Why do you want a dedicated computer to be the "central repository"? That's what external multidrive enclosures are for. Hang it off a fast port on any computer, or get one with ethernet and hang it off the router.
 
Why do you want a dedicated computer to be the "central repository"? That's what external multidrive enclosures are for. Hang it off a fast port on any computer, or get one with ethernet and hang it off the router.

Yes, that's what I did. I mentioned it in my post as Synology boxes. Perhaps the OP was thinking a Time Capsule could fill that need but I really can't recommend TC after my experience with my first gen TC.

In my earlier post, I said that perhaps it may be true that Apple is losing interest in desktops or only selling desktops out of obligation to prop up iThings sales, and shortly after I posted I noticed a thread here on MR touting that Apple has now climbed to over 13 percent of all US PC shipments. Growing divisions rarely get neglected.
 
(and tim cook even promised you a big upgrade in 2013 for the MP.)

The hint is in the name...pro.

No, he didn't. Read Tim Cook's reply again. He promised "something great for our pro users" ... "later in 2013." He did not actually promise a new Mac Pro. With Apple, every word counts, so don't dismiss the omission.

I've been saying it and I'll say it again, because it becomes more likely with each passing week. The Mac brand is done. All Mac desktops are EOLed and it just hasn't been announced yet. Next year there will be a single unified Apple desktop and all Apple computers, including notebooks, will lose the Mac branding the way OS X already did. The single desktop will be small, though not as small as the Mini, and industry-standard upgradeable to a lesser degree than the Pro. It will not be an AIO because we'll be told to buy the ACD. Call it, for hypothetical purposes, the "Apple Core." In the meantime we'll have the Apple Notebook Air and Apple Notebook Pro or somesuch.
 
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