'It's Showtime': September 12th, 2006

[w00master]

that's the question of course maybe it will be the killer application to convert windows users to mac

or windows users can connect their pc's to a tv with a few cables, so that they also can play the movies from the movie store on their tv's… but in that case the pc must be next to the computer.

LOL. I understand that you're speaking in jest, but honestly I don't see Apple implementing the Movie Store differently w/ PC users. Remember that the iPod/iTunes didn't explode in popularity until they were PC-friendly. If the PC side had anything different in it's implementation like your post implies, then I highly doubt the iPod/iTunes would have been as successful as it is now.

w00master

 

[jasper77]

LOL. I understand that you're speaking in jest, but honestly I don't see Apple implementing the Movie Store differently w/ PC users. Remember that the iPod/iTunes didn't explode in popularity until they were PC-friendly. If the PC side had anything different in it's implementation like your post implies, then I highly doubt the iPod/iTunes would have been as successful as it is now.

w00master

i know, but in that case apple has to port front row to windows. Or they have to implement front row into itunes or something like that, so that it will work exactly the same way on windows as on mac. as long as they have itunes installed. but that way, all media files (movie store movies, avi, divx, video_ts folders and even photo's) should be stored inside itunes.

 

[crap freakboy]

Mmmmm....how much?
I get unlimited DVD rentals via post, 3 at a time- latest released.
Add MTR and toast...match that Apple then I'll be interested

 

[milo]

Mmmmm....how much?
I get unlimited DVD rentals via post, 3 at a time- latest released.
Add MTR and toast...match that Apple then I'll be interested

I don't think it's realistic to expect apple to match the "deal" you can get from pirating dvd's.

 

[acslater017]

Bypassing the Format War?

OK hear me out on this one - WHAT IF Apple, in all its wisdom and foresight, avoids the format war (Blu-ray vs HD-DVD) altogether by NOT using a physical format? Of course, they're backing up Blu-ray...but in order to avoid putting their eggs in that basket, and seeing that consumers are hesitant to invest in either format...they do something GENIUS like sell DOWNLOADABLE HD movies on their iTunes store and release a stream-to-TV device!

This would attract everyone because it:
1) does not require an investment in a high-def player.
2) allows for lower prices to purchase/rent movies.
3) basically lets Apple avoid having to take sides by investing millions and millions into new disc drives
4) lets consumers watch the content on their computer and TV. and if they wish to invest in a Blu-ray burner, they can. If they don't, they can still enjoy HD movies!

eh? EEEHH?

 

[ezekielrage_99]

I'm more interested in the 23" iMac Core 2 Duos and new metal iPods, I hope Apple does release them on the 12th of September.

 

[Peace]

Did you read the post? iTunes doesn't do that, right now apple doesn't have an airport with *video* output. And look at the picture again, that mockup has a remote that talks to the airport, you don't have to leave the room.

You miss the whole point of this. Why would you want to have an expensive box next to the TV when you could just have a tiny airport, and let your computer do the heavy lifting from another room?



You're assuming they won't up the resolution when they start doing movies. What makes you so sure they'll do that?

Milo.I have my MacBook sitting next to and connected via S-Video to my TV and use iTunes sharing via Airport to watch videos almost every day..

The key to good quality over iTunes sharing is to make the movie hinted.
And it streams just fine..

 

[milo]

Milo.I have my MacBook sitting next to and connected via S-Video to my TV and use iTunes sharing via Airport to watch videos almost every day..

The key to good quality over iTunes sharing is to make the movie hinted.
And it streams just fine..

I never said the streaming isn't possible. I just said there isn't a HARDWARE device like the airport that makes this possible without a computer.

Having to leave a computer hooked up to the TV all the time (or drag over a laptop) isn't a convenient solution. An airport box with video output IS a new solution, and something not available now.

 

[Peace]

I never said the streaming isn't possible. I just said there isn't a HARDWARE device like the airport that makes this possible without a computer.

Having to leave a computer hooked up to the TV all the time (or drag over a laptop) isn't a convenient solution. An airport box with video output IS a new solution, and something not available now.

NOW you're on to something.Let's expand on that

Where is the video out from the airport going to go ? The TV of course!

Now..

Why not just make a Mini type box with 802.11n with DVI/HDMI/S-Video and Digital/Analog out ports.Connect that to the tv then stream from your computer or the movie store.While we're at it toss a hefty HD in the mini for recording.

It's much more convenient too.Just sit on the couch and surf Front Row for movies then buy it and send it to the tv.POW! one step..

Apple IS about ease of use..

 

[TheKrillr]

I think we'll see a transition from iTunes to iMedia.

The iMedia Store (TV Shows, Music, Audiobooks, Movies). The iMedia Player (the "true" video ipod). airMedia (wireless video/audio streaming device).

Not sure aobut the phone name. iTalk? iWalk? iNeedAName?

 

[milo]

Why not just make a Mini type box with 802.11n with DVI/HDMI/S-Video and Digital/Analog out ports.Connect that to the tv then stream from your computer or the movie store.While we're at it toss a hefty HD in the mini for recording.

There's no point in having a hard drive, why would you even want it if you can stream in real time from your computer? And why make it a "mini" size box when it can just be something tiny enough to hold AV outputs?

 

[Peace]

There's no point in having a hard drive, why would you even want it if you can stream in real time from your computer? And why make it a "mini" size box when it can just be something tiny enough to hold AV outputs?

In order to receive the movie from the movie store it would stream to the "box".Having a HD would allow you to save the movie.

AND!!

Later in your room you could stream it from the "Box" to your computer

 

[TheManOfSilver]

I think we'll see a transition from iTunes to iMedia.

The iMedia Store (TV Shows, Music, Audiobooks, Movies). The iMedia Player (the "true" video ipod). airMedia (wireless video/audio streaming device).

While what you suggest makes some sense ... Apple has invested way too much in building the "iTunes" brand to simply drop it now. For the same reason I doubt we'll see the iMac changing to "mac" or iPod changing to "Pod" ... they're here to stay for now.

An alternative is the make Quicktime a full-fledged media player and browser to support the TV shows, movies and movie store to keep it separate from iTunes.

 

[TheKrillr]

NOW you're on to something.Let's expand on that

Where is the video out from the airport going to go ? The TV of course!

Now..

Why not just make a Mini type box with 802.11n with DVI/HDMI/S-Video and Digital/Analog out ports.Connect that to the tv then stream from your computer or the movie store.While we're at it toss a hefty HD in the mini for recording.

It's much more convenient too.Just sit on the couch and surf Front Row for movies then buy it and send it to the tv.POW! one step..

Apple IS about ease of use..

Why is everyone obsessed with 802.11n? Unless apple can work magic, N is nowhere NEAR ready for primetime. 802.11g is fine. 54Mbps theoretical, at long range you still get around 11Mbps... and the TV content is only .75Mbps, and i'm estimating the movie content to max out around 3Mbps. Thats sitll plenty o' bandwidth.

 

[milo]

In order to receive the movie from the movie store it would stream to the "box".Having a HD would allow you to save the movie.

AND!!

Later in your room you could stream it from the "Box" to your computer

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't it just download straight to the computer in the first place? That's where it's stored, that's where it's streamed from. You just added an extra step and made it that much more complicated.

 

[MattInOz]

i know, but in that case apple has to port front row to windows. Or they have to implement front row into itunes or something like that, so that it will work exactly the same way on windows as on mac. as long as they have itunes installed. but that way, all media files (movie store movies, avi, divx, video_ts folders and even photo's) should be stored inside itunes.

Given all the magic that makes Front Row possible is quartz and quartz is just an Apple specific layer to the OpenGL language, which can run purely on the the GPU, then really Airport A/V is just an upgrade that includes a GPU.
The ARM cpu of the current Airport could do what is does now, plus the minor extra work of handling the remote control.

That gives you the same expirence with the Airport connecting to either a Mac or Windows on the network.

 

[jasper77]

NOW you're on to something.Let's expand on that

Where is the video out from the airport going to go ? The TV of course!

Now..

Why not just make a Mini type box with 802.11n with DVI/HDMI/S-Video and Digital/Analog out ports.Connect that to the tv then stream from your computer or the movie store.While we're at it toss a hefty HD in the mini for recording.

It's much more convenient too.Just sit on the couch and surf Front Row for movies then buy it and send it to the tv.POW! one step..

Apple IS about ease of use..

ease of use à la apple = buy/download a movie in the itunes movie store and stream it via airport av from your mac to a tv. or take a subscription to a tv show (like Lost or Prison Break) and let iTunes automatically download each new episode (via RSS) to your hard drive and than stream it to your tv whenever you want.

I don't think recording is the future.

 

[Peace]

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't it just download straight to the computer in the first place? That's where it's stored, that's where it's streamed from. You just added an extra step and made it that much more complicated.

Tell ya what..If I want to watch a full length movie I'm gonna do it in my living room in front of my TV NOT wherever the computer is.


[edit] I'll agree to disagree but watch.Come Sept. 12th we're gonna see the Mac Media Center [/edit]

 

[TheKrillr]

Tell ya what..If I want to watch a full length movie I'm gonna do it in my living room in front of my TV NOT wherever the computer is.

Exactly why there'd be the video equivalent of airtunes... haven't you been paying attention?

 

[Zwhaler]

Strange, the movie store is the thing that I am least excited about But I still hope for new imac and/or mbp.

 

[milo]

Tell ya what..If I want to watch a full length movie I'm gonna do it in my living room in front of my TV NOT wherever the computer is.

Wow, you really don't get it.

Watching on the tv is exactly what this is about. The whole point is that you don't need to have a *computer* or even a *hard drive* next to the TV since you can just stream the video from a computer ANYWHERE in your house.

Seriously, did you even look at the picture you responded to?

 

[Peace]

Exactly why there'd be the video equivalent of airtunes... haven't you been paying attention?

Yes I have..The only difference is I'm including the recording part.

 

[TheKrillr]

Strange, the movie store is the thing that I am least excited about But I still hope for new imac and/or mbp.

Why is it everyone says "Ooooh i want a new macbook pro!"? I personally like the macbooks much better. The keyboard is nicer IMO, and I prefer the smaller size and the solid-color as opposed to the metallic finish.

I want a new Macbook, but ONLY if they upgrade the one i ordered last tuesday... >.>

 

[milo]

Yes I have..The only difference is I'm including the recording part.

The recording can be done by the computer. What reason is there to have it done where the TV is located?

 

[Peace]

Wow, you really don't get it.

Watching on the tv is exactly what this is about. The whole point is that you don't need to have a *computer* or even a *hard drive* next to the TV since you can just stream the video from a computer ANYWHERE in your house.

Seriously, did you even look at the picture you responded to?

Yes I did milo.And it's a fine rendition

Only thing is one still has to connect some kind of A/V cables to the TV..

Think about that concept.