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it's the end of the year, where's our boot camp update to support windows 7?
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It's really sad how Apple treats Bootcamp like a joke. They miss deadlines, they provide no support, and when they release an update, it always has some major and very apparent problem.
For MacBook Pros, it's always been the trackpad. The options don't even work right! If you disable the two finger click, it will still use the two finger click. When you do right click with two fingers, it will left click first. This makes it really hard to copy a link on a website. Plus, how do you right click and then move or scroll as well? It can't be done at all with the current driver. It sounds insane, but there are programs that use the mouse buttons as kind of a shortcut to do different functions, and with the current trackpad driver, it's impossible.
Another Bootcamp joke: My Late 2008 specked below freezes up in Windows. This has been a known issue with Apple since last year at this time. I still have the problem, and it renders this computer useless to use when trying to run Windows. Thankfully there is a work around, but this workaround has it's downsides as well.
Why can't we switch graphics cards? Because Apple disabled it. That's why. Is that a good reason? No!
Why does battery life suck so much? Windows sucks at power management? No, there's many netbooks that get 8+ hours on battery. Most Windows 7 laptops can manage 3 hours of battery life without any trouble at all using about the same size battery and technology. The Mac gets 1.5 hours max. Sounds like Apple's implementation of a BIOS is doing something to run the machine at maximum load, because I can't even get OSX to drain the battery as fast as Windows. I know the USB ports cannot go into powersave mode. that's one problem.
The last reason why I say Apple treats Bootcamp as a joke. Have you ever called support for Bootcamp?
Me: "Yea, my trackpad causes a blue screen error. I know it's the trackpad because it says applemtp.sys as the cause for the error."
Apple: "Call Microsoft, it's a driver problem for the trackpad."
Me: "Yea... Isn't this your custom trackpad and Apple's driver causing the issue?"
Apple: "That's not possible. Call Microsoft."
Or...
Me: "My computer keeps on locking up in Windows Vista/7. I've read online that it's caused by some problem with the implementation of the 9600M GT card. Have you heard of this issue?"
Apple: "Yes, we have heard of the issue, but at this time it's still in the lab being worked on."
Me: "I first called about this issue back in January (2009). Why hasn't this been fixed yet."
Apple: "Problems like this take time to resolve."
Me: "It's been 11 months! I don't think all of the Late 2008 models have this issue (which obviously don't) so can I send it in to get the motherboard replaced?"
Apple: "We can't do that, there's nothing wrong with your motherboard."
Me: "Obviously something is wrong with it, it locks in in Windows."
Apple: "We cannot assure you that a motherboard replacement will fix it. We are not going to replace the motherboard."
This treatment is not acceptable. I bought this laptop to run Windows and OSX on because I like both OS's. OSX doesn't work for my school work and I have to use Windows. Unfortunately when I can't use the trackpad and the laptop freezes up on me all the time, it wasn't a good decision. I regret buying a Mac now. When they advertise that Mac's can natively run Windows, then it should natively run Windows without major problems.
The lack of Windows 7 support does not surprise me at all. In my opinion, Apple does not care about users that need to run Windows. They're only worried about OSX, and if that's the case, just drop Bootcamp. Don't include it, don't talk about, don't advertise it, admit it's a failure. They NEED to fire whoever is in charge of Bootcamp because they are hurting Apple reputation.
I'm really frustrated with Apple. I will never buy another Apple computer until they get their ethics straight.
For MacBook Pros, it's always been the trackpad. The options don't even work right! If you disable the two finger click, it will still use the two finger click. When you do right click with two fingers, it will left click first. This makes it really hard to copy a link on a website. Plus, how do you right click and then move or scroll as well? It can't be done at all with the current driver. It sounds insane, but there are programs that use the mouse buttons as kind of a shortcut to do different functions, and with the current trackpad driver, it's impossible.
Another Bootcamp joke: My Late 2008 specked below freezes up in Windows. This has been a known issue with Apple since last year at this time. I still have the problem, and it renders this computer useless to use when trying to run Windows. Thankfully there is a work around, but this workaround has it's downsides as well.
Why can't we switch graphics cards? Because Apple disabled it. That's why. Is that a good reason? No!
Why does battery life suck so much? Windows sucks at power management? No, there's many netbooks that get 8+ hours on battery. Most Windows 7 laptops can manage 3 hours of battery life without any trouble at all using about the same size battery and technology. The Mac gets 1.5 hours max. Sounds like Apple's implementation of a BIOS is doing something to run the machine at maximum load, because I can't even get OSX to drain the battery as fast as Windows. I know the USB ports cannot go into powersave mode. that's one problem.
The last reason why I say Apple treats Bootcamp as a joke. Have you ever called support for Bootcamp?
Me: "Yea, my trackpad causes a blue screen error. I know it's the trackpad because it says applemtp.sys as the cause for the error."
Apple: "Call Microsoft, it's a driver problem for the trackpad."
Me: "Yea... Isn't this your custom trackpad and Apple's driver causing the issue?"
Apple: "That's not possible. Call Microsoft."
Or...
Me: "My computer keeps on locking up in Windows Vista/7. I've read online that it's caused by some problem with the implementation of the 9600M GT card. Have you heard of this issue?"
Apple: "Yes, we have heard of the issue, but at this time it's still in the lab being worked on."
Me: "I first called about this issue back in January (2009). Why hasn't this been fixed yet."
Apple: "Problems like this take time to resolve."
Me: "It's been 11 months! I don't think all of the Late 2008 models have this issue (which obviously don't) so can I send it in to get the motherboard replaced?"
Apple: "We can't do that, there's nothing wrong with your motherboard."
Me: "Obviously something is wrong with it, it locks in in Windows."
Apple: "We cannot assure you that a motherboard replacement will fix it. We are not going to replace the motherboard."
This treatment is not acceptable. I bought this laptop to run Windows and OSX on because I like both OS's. OSX doesn't work for my school work and I have to use Windows. Unfortunately when I can't use the trackpad and the laptop freezes up on me all the time, it wasn't a good decision. I regret buying a Mac now. When they advertise that Mac's can natively run Windows, then it should natively run Windows without major problems.
The lack of Windows 7 support does not surprise me at all. In my opinion, Apple does not care about users that need to run Windows. They're only worried about OSX, and if that's the case, just drop Bootcamp. Don't include it, don't talk about, don't advertise it, admit it's a failure. They NEED to fire whoever is in charge of Bootcamp because they are hurting Apple reputation.
I'm really frustrated with Apple. I will never buy another Apple computer until they get their ethics straight.
It seems to be notebook owners who experience the worst issues.
Apple managed to avoid stuffing too many weird components into
the Mac Pros
Commercially Apple are better of releasing a bootcamp update as late as possible, they have to keep users away from Windows 7 and finding out how good it actually is. With the money they make they could hire people and make the drivers in a couple of weeks if they wanted.
By delaying the release, they slow down Windows 7 sales/usage.
Besides the fact that my MBP gets super hot in Win7 x64, everything seems to work though.
By delaying the release, they slow down Windows 7 sales/usage.
Besides the fact that my MBP gets super hot in Win7 x64, everything seems to work though.
I get the idea that Apple isn't willing to support anything related to Microsoft - they don't support ANY third parties. But as has been pointed out here, it's disingenuous to develop a feature *yourself,* and then promote it on your own website, and still wiggle out of supporting it -- especially because most of the problems are Apple's own drivers.
Isn't part of the point of "the Mac ecosystem" that Apple controls all the pieces? All they would have to do is for one guy to try the trackpad to see, wow, this doesn't come even close to how we think it should work.
The trackpad is the worst in some ways, but the poor audio is driving me insane. There are a few other small things, but otherwise, 64-bit Win7 on my unibody 15 is quite enjoyable.
Still, I've been looking here and apple.com every day like a lab monkey trying to earn crack....
Isn't part of the point of "the Mac ecosystem" that Apple controls all the pieces? All they would have to do is for one guy to try the trackpad to see, wow, this doesn't come even close to how we think it should work.
The trackpad is the worst in some ways, but the poor audio is driving me insane. There are a few other small things, but otherwise, 64-bit Win7 on my unibody 15 is quite enjoyable.
Still, I've been looking here and apple.com every day like a lab monkey trying to earn crack....
Not quite
P.S. Please don't tell me to do a workaround, I know how and have been around the block on IT stuff. I just don't want the hassle of tweaking boot camp to work, I want simple install and done so I don't have issues. My machine at home is a tool (not a toy) for my wife to do work.
I love a lot of Apple products, but their attitude with Windows (like the BSOD for PCs in Finder and this Boot Camp) reminds me of the late 80s and 90s when Apple got their hat handed to them.
Running Windows on your Mac has been one of their selling points for Macs and a lot of people would not have purchased a Mac in the first place if they couldn't run Windows in some form, be it virtual machine or Boot Camp. If I couldn't, I can tell you for sure they wouldn't have gotten the $2,300 I spent on an iMac this past Spring. The fact that they don't have Windows 7 support for Boot Camp yet is irresponsible, the beta has been available to the public for over a year. I am pretty annoyed, there are games and a couple of other apps that I can only run in Windows and I have to wait because Apple gave it a low priority. Not to mention software for my kids. This will make me think twice when I get another machine.
P.S. Please don't tell me to do a workaround, I know how and have been around the block on IT stuff. I just don't want the hassle of tweaking boot camp to work, I want simple install and done so I don't have issues. My machine at home is a tool (not a toy) for my wife to do work.
I love a lot of Apple products, but their attitude with Windows (like the BSOD for PCs in Finder and this Boot Camp) reminds me of the late 80s and 90s when Apple got their hat handed to them.