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In darker scenes it is very obvious. Period.

Most might not care because renting for 3.99 vs buying a blu-ray or renting one/netflixing to their house is a better option.

And that is the target Apple is aiming at - people who want a high quality movie, cheaply and right now. That it's not quite as good as Blu-ray is not an issue; especially since many of them will be playing it on systems that would not take advantage o fteh additional quality of a blu-ray copy.

But the quality is definitely obvious to those that demand the best on both video and audio fronts.

True, but that group is so small compared to most users that Apple can safely ignore them.
 
Up-sampled

Since the new iPad's display is greater than HD resolution, it has to be up-sampled right? And the quality of that totally depends on the DAC built into the new iPad...
 
but you don't get to download a Blu-Ray movie! sync it to your devices etc

Many Blu-ray movies also give you a "digital copy" (as well as a DVD), so you can download it to devices, although personally, I would only want to do that if I had a long public transit commute or was on an airplane.

For your average TV show, I don't care that much and a download would suffice. But for great movies, especially beautifully shot classic films and/or films with great sound, I want it on my calibrated 55" screen and playing back through my multichannel sound system.

I think Apple's made a good step forward here, but Apple used to be the company that pushed "the best" and now they've become the company that pushes "good enough" but frequently at "the best" prices. Along with that, Apple pushes convenience over quality. What bothers me about this is that Apple seems to care far more about elegant case design than image or sound quality. As much as I love the industrial design of Apple's products, I would live with a lesser design to gain other performance improvements.

Of course, Apple could support both worlds, but they won't, so we'll never see an Apple laptop or desktop with a Blu-ray. For many people on this Forum, that's no problem, but if Apple doesn't want to include it, the least they can is support an external drive in the OS. But they won't either because (take your pick) they either believe that there's no future in physical media -or- they want to force their users to use iTunes or AppleTV.
 
This really sounds like you didn't look at all the samples.

Also, I love how we all went from owning DVDs to not being able to even stand something that's easily twice as good.

I demand 4 times as good or nothing at all!

Couldn't agree more.

This is just a nerd tech rage over numbers. I'm well over this.
 
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nsfw said:
The general population likes Dancing with the Stars, Madonna and Adam Sandler movies. There is no accounting for taste. The general population likes Cheesecake factory and McDonalds. There is no account for taste. The general population likes True Religion jeans. There is no accounting for taste. The general population uses the Apple throw away earphones that come with ipods and iphones. The general population thinks 128k mp3 files are good enough.
Why would anyone think that people would care about heavily compressed 1080p files? They don't care about their heavily compressed 1080i/720p broadcast images from cable or satellite. You've compared OTA vs cable/sat? The difference is amazing. No one cares. Garbage in/Garbage out.

This is the best comment I've seen on macrumors in a long time.
 
Easy to crack, easy to rip, easy to store on my server and stream to the HTPC's in my house.

I didn't say Blu-ray copy protection was flawless, I just said it existed. Another user said that the DRM from iTunes videos was a con, and that somehow made Blu-ray better.
 
Many Blu-ray movies also give you a "digital copy" (as well as a DVD), so you can download it to devices, although personally, I would only want to do that if I had a long public transit commute or was on an airplane.

For your average TV show, I don't care that much and a download would suffice. But for great movies, especially beautifully shot classic films and/or films with great sound, I want it on my calibrated 55" screen and playing back through my multichannel sound system.

I think Apple's made a good step forward here, but Apple used to be the company that pushed "the best" and now they've become the company that pushes "good enough" but frequently at "the best" prices. Along with that, Apple pushes convenience over quality. What bothers me about this is that Apple seems to care far more about elegant case design than image or sound quality. As much as I love the industrial design of Apple's products, I would live with a lesser design to gain other performance improvements.

Of course, Apple could support both worlds, but they won't, so we'll never see an Apple laptop or desktop with a Blu-ray. For many people on this Forum, that's no problem, but if Apple doesn't want to include it, the least they can is support an external drive in the OS. But they won't either because (take your pick) they either believe that there's no future in physical media -or- they want to force their users to use iTunes or AppleTV.

many doesn't mean all, plenty of Blu-ray DVDs don't have a digital copy.

"elegant design" and file size (as far as I can remember this is quite important too)

ever think that the discontinuation of physical media in some Apple products was to reduce the size/weight?
 
Considering I gain 'get it right now' and lose 'annoying menus/trailers/FBI warnings' I consider this very slight loss of quality a very fair trade.


I tend to rent movies instead of owning anyway...but IF I ever buy, this seems like a fair trade-off.




The article full of screen shots seems to indicate that yes, they CAN be compared. Blu-Ray wins, sure. But the comparison is not ridiculous.

LOL if you can't see the difference you need glasses or a new monitor.
 
At the end of the day, iTunes video will not equal Blu-Ray. But like iTunes music to CDs, convenience will eventually trump quality, especially when difference is minor for average users AND iCloud streaming becomes available for all titles.
 
I wonder if this will be avoidable in Handbrake? That is when we creating from ripped blu-ray discs, achieve blu-ray quality in the m4v file.

I hope Handbrake comes out with a ATV3 preset super fast.
 
I still have to chuckle at those that are willing to compromise over video quality - which is OK... but at the same time are so excited about having a retina display on their iPad 3 "for the win!" no less.

It's a bit conflicted...
 
So we're seeing compressed photographs of compressed video? hmmm...

Frankly I'm impressed. Both look great. The banding in the dark example is very obvious if you're looking for it. I see banding all the time and hate it, but my wife never notices it. So YMMV.

The nice thing is that your old content gets upgraded. This is some sort of miracle. My DVDs don't get upgraded. I've never bought a BRD as I don't think that the format is ever going to gain the traction that DVD had. I have a box full of old VHS tapes that I'll never watch again. Buying movies on iTunes might actually avoid that problem.

Now if they'd just let me rip my DVDs in iTunes and then use iTunes Match for movies...
 
as if Blu-ray wasn't content protected...

But you can put a BR disc in any BR player and play it. You can’t put a movie downloaded from Itunes and play it on any mobile device. That is a DRM restriction not a format restriction.
 
It only matters if you have the hardware to enjoy it though

Most don't, and it only matters to those who care about it

And the software. I foolishly went out and got 7.1 Paradigm speaker system … I think I own 2 Blu-rays that even support 7.1
 
And the software. I foolishly went out and got 7.1 Paradigm speaker system … I think I own 2 Blu-rays that even support 7.1

Check out some TV shows. A lot of them support 7.1. But sounds like a nice set. I'm trying to save up for a nice Paradigm speaker package as well.
 
So when I used the phrase "Blu Ray wins" you think that I meant "there's no difference?"

That's a really interesting interpretation of that comment.

BTW, I’m with you on the opening previews/menus/BS (I realize I didn’t quote that post ... :D )

While there’s some options for manual chapter skip, FF, it’s just painful sometimes. I’ll swear, we popped in the BD for Wall-e for the little one the other day and it was like 10 minutes before I could get to the actual movie content.

We scored some movies from iTunes recently and being able to just start the movie immediately was worth the difference in PQ/SQ.

(I’m currently ripping our BDs to avoid this too)
 
At the end of the day, iTunes video will not equal Blu-Ray. But like iTunes music to CDs, convenience will eventually trump quality, especially when difference is minor for average users AND iCloud streaming becomes available for all titles.

At the end of today perhaps, next year, the year after, 5 years from now? Not so much. As mentioned earlier in this thread HVEC (H.265) the successor to H.264 will be finalized next year. HVEC is going to offer about half the file size for similar or better quality. Will it match Blu-ray? Who knows, but if it doesn’t H.266 will or H.267. The writing is on the wall, disc based media is dead; it’s too expensive, too time consuming to agree on a standard, takes too long for consumers to adopt.
 
And the software. I foolishly went out and got 7.1 Paradigm speaker system … I think I own 2 Blu-rays that even support 7.1

I have quite a few that do. But I think the bigger benefit is not 5.1 vs 7.1, it's the lossless audio. DTS-MA HD and Dolby TrueHD sound amazing.
 
Since the new iPad's display is greater than HD resolution, it has to be up-sampled right? And the quality of that totally depends on the DAC built into the new iPad...
That is not a DAC, it should remain completely digital. So, it totally depends on the quality of the new gpu and associated software.
But you can put a BR disc in any BR player and play it. You can’t put a movie downloaded from Itunes and play it on any mobile device. That is a DRM restriction not a format restriction.
You've never put a BD into a player and had it claim DRM problems and refuse to play it? Lucky.
 
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