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iTunes 1080p Content Comes Close to Blu-ray Quality, But Can't Quite Match
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The optical interfaces (S/PDIF) of all current Mac models do not support uncompressed or lossless 5.1 or 7.1 audio. So the hypothetical iTunes 5.1 and 7.1 audio does go nowhere. So what should the majority of Mac users use? Expensive extensions via FW800/Thunderbolt?
Well to each his own I guess, I will gladly watch on my 1080p Panasonic Plasma with a logitech speaker system delivering 5.1 for me the visual is more important and accessibility. a 5 GB file that looks almost as good as a 10~ GB file is incredible too.
Not to mention Blu-ray can provide much higher quality audio than iTunes!
DTS-HD master audio vs plain dolby digital?
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Well if they put blurry in a mac, then they would upgrade the optical out wouldn't they???
DTS-HD master audio vs plain dolby digital?
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Well if they put blurry in a mac, then they would upgrade the optical out wouldn't they???
Logitech speaker system is weak sauce man.
Is that with optical in ? Don't u tell me ur using stereo analog crap
Exactly, compression algorithm may simply skip half the frames. That would give you 50% compression. All remaining frames would look exactly like the original ones in the type of comparison done by Arstechnica. Yet, the quality of the live picture would still be 2x worse than the original. I suspect that most people who argue that the quality of the streaming video is almost as good as BD simply have not had a chance to watch movies on decent hardware. The "good enough" logic obviously works for some people in some circumstances but Netflix offers a great opportunity for watching movies from BD disks without any hassle. Passing this opportunity in favor of much lower quality (and more expensive too) iTunes is simply travesty.
This is grossly inaccurate statement. As Arstechnica reported, iTunes movie that they tested had size 3.8GB. And here are the sizes of some BD movies (info provided by BDInfo):
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Title Codec Bitrate Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
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10,000 BC VC-1 16.43 1:48:55 18,644,281,344 20,400,127,760 22.82 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
10.5: Apocalypse MPEG-2 14.90 2:49:03 22,445,905,920 22,494,413,352 17.70 LPCM 2.0 1536Kbps DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps
(DE) 11:14 VC-1 16.07 1:25:43 14,030,499,840 ~17,160,994,316 21.82 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
(AU) 1408: Director's Cut VC-1 30.37 1:52:25 32,057,038,848 42,962,165,102 38.02 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(DE) 1408: Director's Cut (jaggies) VC-1 18.97 1:52:26 22,974,474,240 ~46,659,986,552 27.24 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
1408: Theatrical (jaggies) VC-1 18.97 1:44:15 19,191,287,808 24.54 DTS-HR 5.1 2046Kbps 16-bit
16 Blocks VC-1 14.74 1:41:45 13,076,017,152 14,904,920,290 17.13 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
20 Million Miles to Earth: Black & White AVC 25.23 1:22:32 18,291,646,464 43,962,025,132 29.55 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
Colorized (multi-angle) AVC 25.26 1:22:32 18,309,224,448 29.57 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
2001: A Space Odyssey VC-1 13.39 2:28:51 24,937,451,520 37,429,719,180 22.33 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
2010 VC-1 22.50 1:55:54 27,107,850,240 28,069,176,672 31.18 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
21 AVC 25.76 2:02:41 36,132,544,512 46,495,643,416 39.27 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
24: Season 7
Disc 1 AVC 26.99 0:46:21 10,976,237,568 44,760,851,410 31.57 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
27 Dresses AVC 33.38 1:50:48 32,908,505,088 41,493,351,158 39.60 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
28 Days Later... AVC 35.63 1:53:07 36,511,107,072 44,258,521,478 43.03 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
28 Weeks Later AVC 34.74 1:40:06 31,828,875,264 35,890,568,636 42.39 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
3:10 to Yuma (2007) (jaggies) VC-1 23.93 2:02:30 29,979,684,864 47,940,898,854 32.63 LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
30 Days of Night AVC 24.76 1:53:05 33,023,115,264 42,431,082,769 38.93 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit
(AU) 30 Days of Night AVC 24.76 1:53:05 26,451,204,096 34,080,609,247 31.18 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
300 VC-1 16.80 1:56:32 24,961,910,784 ~34,803,466,472 28.56 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The 40 Year Old Virgin: Unrated (seamless branching) AVC 18.40 2:12:27 27,461,068,800# 48,563,928,566 27.64 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
The 40 Year Old Virgin: Theatrical (seamless branching) AVC 18.39 1:56:09 23,801,597,952# 27.32 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
(JP) 5 Centimeters Per Second (no English subtitles) AVC 31.65 1:02:45 18,047,207,424 ~21,255,111,808 38.34 LPCM 4.0 3072Kbps LPCM 2.0 1536Kbps
50 First Dates MPEG-2 17.05 1:39:03 18,519,121,920 20,223,047,558 24.93 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The 6th Day AVC 22.96 2:03:34 32,765,399,040 37,850,907,511 35.35 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
Across the Universe AVC 23.65 2:13:17 30,381,668,352 48,419,674,542 30.39 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 20-bit
(RU) Admiral AVC 20.00 2:04:02 22,951,655,424 ~24,431,219,766 24.67 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
The Adventures of Robin Hood VC-1 19.45 1:41:55 16,597,131,264 37,921,260,944 21.71 DD AC3 1.0 192Kbps
(UK) The Adventures of Super Monkey (Monkey Magic) AVC 18.00 2:00:19 17,895,045,120 18,722,455,164 19.83 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
Aeon Flux MPEG-2 16.47 1:32:51 15,130,533,888 18,635,191,396 21.72 DTS 5.1 1509Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Africa: The Serengeti (IMAX) (1080p24) MPEG-2 40.00 0:39:22 13,499,111,424 14,248,275,224 45.71 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
Afro Samurai: Season 1 - Director's Cut AVC 16.99 2:11:22 21,888,175,296 24,961,566,071 22.21 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 2.0 640Kbps
(JP) Afro Samurai (1080i59.94) AVC 33.03 1:52:08 34,954,954,752 ~38,681,822,520 41.56 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
Afro Samurai: Resurrection AVC 29.99 1:40:33 24,197,486,592 42,199,626,165 32.08 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(EU) Air Force One AVC 23.92 2:04:35 33,864,486,912 ~35,455,409,746 36.24 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Akira AVC 19.58 2:04:28 39,757,596,672 41,456,720,576 42.59 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit/192kHz LPCM 2.0 1536Kbps / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Alaska: Spirit of the Wild (IMAX) (1080p24) MPEG-2 40.00 0:40:34 13,909,143,552 15,222,673,372 45.72 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
(DE) Alatriste (1080p24) (no English subtitles) AVC 15.98 2:25:02 23,629,092,864 ~24,595,211,224 21.72 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
Alien vs. Predator: Theatrical (seamless branching) MPEG-2 27.41 1:40:47 26,397,155,328# 32,437,949,827 34.92 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Alien vs. Predator: Unrated (seamless branching) MPEG-2 27.12 1:48:40 28,198,957,056# 34.59 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem - Theatrical (seamless branching) AVC 27.51 1:33:49 25,091,426,304# 41,729,331,010 35.66 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem - Unrated (seamless) AVC 27.60 1:41:05 27,110,940,672# 35.76 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
(AU) Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem AVC 26.62 1:33:45 25,728,092,160 39,850,228,725 36.59 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
(UK) All the Boys Love Mandy Lane (1080p24) AVC 27.80 1:30:18 21,733,232,640 ~23,471,460,464 32.09 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(UK) Almost Famous: Director's Cut AVC 24.98 2:41:29 37,503,025,152 39,953,413,164 30.96 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
(UK) Alpha Dog (1080p24) AVC 24.99 1:57:22 26,195,951,616 ~28,201,731,996 29.75 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps / DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
(DE) The Alphabet Killer (1080p24) AVC 19.92 1:38:01 22,772,858,880 24,128,798,938 30.97 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
Alvin and the Chipmunks AVC 21.79 1:31:13 19,333,951,488 21,476,271,970 28.26 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Amadeus: Director's Cut VC-1 16.68 3:00:25 33,561,182,208 37,001,491,176 24.80 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(CA) Amélie (1080i59.94) (no English subtitles) AVC 19.00 2:01:41 20,971,763,712 23,529,531,082 22.98 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
(JP) Amélie (no English subtitles) AVC 28.37 2:01:35 31,923,615,744 39,198,501,500 35.01 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
(DE) An American Crime VC-1 20.98 1:37:33 19,570,827,264 ~21,366,374,518 26.75 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
American Gangster: Theatrical (seamless branching) VC-1 18.59 2:36:57 31,116,189,696# 48,704,418,447 26.43 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
American Gangster: Extended (seamless branching) VC-1 18.72 2:55:45 35,023,067,136# 26.57 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
American History X VC-1 27.08 1:58:53 28,718,032,896 29,377,477,451 32.21 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(AU) An American in Paris VC-1 22.98 1:53:32 22,271,508,480 34,985,894,534 26.15 DD AC3 1.0 192Kbps
American Psycho: Uncut Version MPEG-2 18.26 1:42:01 18,264,711,168 23,979,332,742 23.87 DTS-HR 6.1 3039Kbps DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
(AU) American Psycho AVC 27.95 1:42:02 29,319,770,112 33,643,432,259 38.31 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
(DE) American Psycho VC-1 18.07 1:41:46 19,004,144,256 24,797,714,060 24.90 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
The Amityville Horror (1979) AVC 17.78 1:58:47 21,509,505,024 22,812,455,024 24.14 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps / DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps (Mono)
Amusement VC-1 25.21 1:24:42 19,321,473,024 19,621,588,837 30.41 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Annapolis MPEG-2 18.52 1:43:26 20,700,150,528 23,068,530,428 26.68 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Ant Bully VC-1 1:29:03 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(ES) The Ant Bully VC-1 12.13 1:29:03 13,911,515,136 ~16,031,680,660 20.82 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Antarctica (IMAX) (1080p24) MPEG-2 40.00 0:39:09 13,423,233,024 14,390,439,044 45.71 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
(DE) Any Given Sunday VC-1 20.08 2:37:11 42,837,405,696 ~49,115,053,618 36.34 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Apocalypto AVC 23.87 2:18:21 34,638,882,816 39,663,765,164 33.38 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Appaloosa VC-1 18.56 1:55:25 20,055,435,264 22,537,783,644 23.17 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(DE) Are We Done Yet? AVC 22.92 1:32:02 21,035,016,192 24,613,200,981 30.47 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Arlington Road MPEG-2 24.65 1:57:44 28,846,153,728 32,322,805,546 32.67 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(UK) Army of Darkness AVC 17.99 1:20:46 13,334,882,304 ~18,221,462,804 22.01 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(SE) Arn: The Knight Templar (1080p24) (no English subtitles) AVC 34.00 2:18:26 42,037,966,848 ~43,764,607,644 40.49 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(SE) Arn: The Kingdom at Road's End (1080p24) (no English subs) AVC 33.26 2:07:37 38,270,515,200 ~38,368,552,932 39.98 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Arrival (1996) AVC 15.00 1:55:14 18,538,567,872 19,713,416,393 21.45 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
(JP) The Art of Disney (1080i59.94) AVC 28.57 1:02:52 16,706,138,112 ~24,392,659,913 35.43 LPCM 2.0 1536Kbps
(FR) Arthur and the Invisibles (1080p24) AVC 24.96 1:43:42 35,402,268,672 ~43,597,698,956 45.51 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit DTS-HR 5.1 2046Kbps
Artie Lange's Beer League MPEG-2 16.99 1:26:40 13,939,881,984 18,591,242,628 21.44 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps LPCM 2.0 2304Kbps 24-bit / DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps
(UK) Ashes of Time Redux AVC 19.99 1:33:19 16,959,995,904 22,346,401,202 24.23 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford VC-1 15.70 2:39:40 22,419,271,680 23,947,005,830 18.72 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Assault on Precinct 13 (1976) AVC 25.83 1:30:49 20,432,271,360 22,729,264,804 30.00 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 2.0 256Kbps (Mono)
(UK) Assembly (1080p24) MPEG-2 31.38 2:03:52 33,541,976,064 36,955,501,612 36.10 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps / DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
(DE) The Astronaut Farmer AVC 26.50 1:44:05 22,416,181,248 ~24,983,199,168 28.71 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
August Rush VC-1 18.16 1:53:37 20,365,344,768 20,891,356,894 23.90 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit
Austin Powers Collection
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery VC-1 26.94 1:29:35 22,221,717,504 22,957,428,844 33.07 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me VC-1 20.65 1:35:02 19,217,866,752 23,188,166,056 26.96 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Austin Powers in Goldmember VC-1 23.68 1:34:31 20,857,860,096 34,387,778,118 29.42 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(AU) Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me VC-1 20.65 1:35:02 18,825,056,256 22,118,831,440 26.41 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Australia (2008) AVC 22.52 2:45:28 36,234,694,656 46,112,783,867 29.20 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Australia: Land Beyond Time (IMAX) (1080p24) MPEG-2 40.00 0:42:00 14,402,635,776 19,717,940,884 45.71 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
(JP) Avalon (2001) AVC 33.86 1:46:39 34,229,053,440 ~35,346,050,008 42.79 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Aviator (2004) VC-1 14.90 2:50:05 22,635,448,320 ~29,471,955,608 17.74 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Awake AVC 25.00 1:24:06 20,612,468,736 23,886,461,884 32.67 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(DE) Awake AVC 15.62 1:24:05 16,809,885,696 22,198,403,256 26.66 DTS-HR 5.1 3840Kbps
(DE) The Baader Meinhof Complex (1080p24) (no English subtitles)AVC 19.70 2:29:34 26,312,871,936 ~45,290,629,980 23.46 DTS-HR 5.1 2046Kbps 16-bit
Babel MPEG-2 32.66 2:23:30 38,402,519,040 39,309,460,362 35.68 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Baby Mama VC-1 21.23 1:38:59 21,792,737,280 22,359,267,583 29.35 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Babylon A.D.: Raw and Uncut AVC 29.97 1:40:58 28,762,976,256 41,553,351,299 37.98 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Bad Santa: Director's Cut AVC 23.95 1:28:31 20,620,677,120* 47,861,303,644 31.06 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Bad Santa: Unrated VC1 23.72 1:39:15 22,719,553,536 30.52 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(EU) Bad Santa: Unrated AVC 27.74 1:39:34 31,730,098,176 34,882,968,840 42.48 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 20-bit
Bangkok Dangerous (2008) AVC 31.59 1:39:12 29,397,719,040 41,331,152,361 39.51 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
(DE) Bangkok Dangerous (2008) (1080p24) AVC 26.03 1:38:46 23,601,973,248 33,845,661,600 31.86 DTS-HR 5.1 2046Kbps 16-bit
(UK) Bangkok Dangerous (2008) AVC 23.00 1:38:49 21,769,512,960 23,319,920,036 29.37 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Bank Job (2008) AVC 18.32 1:52:01 19,677,437,952 23,620,157,820 23.42 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 16-bit
(FR) The Banquet (2006) (1080p24) (no English subtitles) AVC 24.80 2:10:43 30,621,609,984 ~37,396,042,260 31.23 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
Baraka VC-1 27.33 1:37:49 28,329,646,080 46,973,929,090 38.62 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 96kHz DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Basic Instinct AVC 17.59 2:08:15 22,265,339,904* 24,938,511,814 23.15 DTS-HR 6.1 3039Kbps DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
(UK) Basic Instinct VC-1 16.97 2:08:12 29,616,371,712 30,444,244,474 30.80 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
Basic Instinct 2 MPEG-2 16.62 1:54:00 20,679,862,272 ~22,162,221,244 24.18 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Batman (1966) AVC 27.53 1:44:53 28,501,542,912 48,539,690,944 36.23 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps (Mono)
Batman (1989) VC-1 22.34 2:06:19 28,339,040,256 ~41,438,845,898 29.91 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(UK) Batman (1989) VC-1 22.34 2:06:19 28,339,040,256 41,439,894,474 29.91 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(UK) Batman Returns VC-1 22.53 2:06:28 30,592,671,744 39,869,585,060 32.25 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(UK) Batman Forever VC-1 21.62 2:01:35 29,255,172,096 37,971,786,220 32.08 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Batman Begins VC-1 13.70 2:20:02 23,792,474,112 35,124,740,623 22.65 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Batman: Gotham Knight VC-1 20.49 1:15:59 13,542,494,208 20,935,932,790 23.76 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Battle of Britain MPEG-2 17.41 2:12:10 21,819,813,888 22,166,813,822 22.01 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps (Mono)
Battle of the Bulge VC-1 16.93 2:49:40 24,335,216,640 25,614,789,808 19.12 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(HK) Battle of Wits AVC 27.71 2:13:06 40,184,653,824 48,271,110,955 40.25 LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 16-bit / DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
(DE) Battle of Wits (no English subtitles) VC-1 21.96 2:12:37 27,553,167,360 32,429,297,840 27.70 DTS-HR 5.1 2046Kbps 16-bit
Be Kind Rewind VC-1 16.00 1:41:43 16,816,527,360 23,064,729,188 22.04 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
(HK) Beast Stalker (1080p24) AVC 21.44 1:50:05 23,135,188,992 ~24,062,560,804 28.02 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Becoming Jane VC-1 33.08 2:00:59 39,994,613,760 43,887,039,252 44.08 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Bedtime Stories AVC 23.37 1:39:13 22,616,272,896 32,683,804,524 30.39 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Bee Movie AVC 27.94 1:30:40 28,302,956,544 49,856,157,280 41.62 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit
Beerfest VC-1 16.80 1:56:27 17,270,900,736 21,022,239,415 19.77 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Beetlejuice VC-1 20.94 1:32:06 19,891,027,968 21,866,924,184 28.79 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead AVC 18.98 1:56:43 20,282,013,696 24,094,321,268 23.17 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Behind Enemy Lines (2001) AVC 18.62 1:45:48 20,438,384,640 ~23,517,374,438 25.75 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Being There VC-1 23.08 2:09:50 26,385,303,552 28,140,610,916 27.09 Dolby TrueHD 2.0 16-bit (Mono) DD AC3 1.0 192Kbps
The Benchwarmers MPEG-2 22.30 1:25:10 19,646,945,280 22,575,502,226 30.76 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Beowulf: Director's Cut (2007) AVC 29.60 1:54:42 34,334,951,424 47,841,991,269 39.91 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit
(EU) Beowulf: Director's Cut (2007) VC-1 14.85 1:54:42 19,898,591,232 ~31,281,197,732 23.13 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Best of Soundstage (1080i59.94) VC-1 27.90 1:22:57 24,724,531,200 24,956,922,888 39.74 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit LPCM 2.0 2304Kbps 24-bit / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(DE) The Beyond (Seven Doors of Death) (1080i50) MPEG-2 18.30 1:23:53 12,965,879,808 15,439,444,880 20.61 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps
Big: Extended Cut (seamless branching) AVC 19.96 2:10:25 25,989,869,568# 40,439,135,467 26.57 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
Big: Theatrical Cut (seamless branching) AVC 19.95 1:44:12 20,766,609,408# 26.57 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
(DE) The Big Blue (German and French dubs only) VC-1 15.01 2:48:18 25,748,527,104 30,951,001,682 20.40 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit (German and French dubs)
(FR) The Big Blue (French dub) AVC 21.75 2:48:20 33,811,101,696 35,017,186,453 26.78 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (French dub)
Big Fish MPEG-2 24.27 2:05:09 30,419,195,904 33,474,975,662 32.40 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
The Big Hit MPEG-2 20.69 1:31:23 19,797,467,136 21,360,965,334 28.88 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Big Stan AVC 32.64 1:49:06 31,668,854,784 41,248,194,498 38.70 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 16-bit
(DE) Big Trouble in Little China AVC 27.81 1:39:47 30,019,688,448 35,932,613,020 40.11 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
The Big White MPEG-2 22.49 1:44:44 22,347,460,608 24,036,663,732 28.45 DTS 5.1 1509Kbps DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps / LPCM 2.0 2304Kbps 24-bit / DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps
Black Book AVC 25.71 2:25:38 36,044,285,952 39,407,685,510 33.00 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Black Hawk Down MPEG-2 25.56 2:24:19 37,233,334,272* 45,638,838,470 34.39 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
(DK) Black Hawk Down AVC 31.06 2:23:42 39,188,004,864 ~39,301,939,476 36.36 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 16-bit DD AC3 5.1 640KbpsOne can see that BD movies usually have size between 15 and 30GB
Bandwidth for Apple's datacenter is not the reason as it is lower than $0.02 for GB (http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/pricing/). Seems like they are optimizing for the total viewing experience where reasonable download times are important. I expect them to increase the bitrate when the majority of people have 6 - 12Mbps home connections.
Ever heard of HDMI? You know - that useless standardised port that you can get a shiny dongle for?
even works with Thunderbolt
And don't forget 'the majority of people' using HDMI to connect their Mac minis or AppleTVs.
Yes, DTS-Master is a valid reason to have Blu-Ray - and if you have no output for that don't assume that 'the majority of Mac users' doesn't have that.
I think Apples 1080p is doing as good as any other 1080p stream, but its still not Bluray period. Furthermore, nobody ever seems to mention the audio side of things. Apple and others are still stuck in 640k Dolby 5.1 land. Bluray comes bearing TruHD, Uncompressed PCM, and DTS-HD-MA lossless audio..... and yes, they utterly destroy AC3 or AAC dolby 5.1.
What's wrong with TV being placed over the fireplace? Do you think iMax movie theaters should be banned?
Its absolutely noticeable during any scene with a lot of motion. The whole picture becomes blocky like large blocks. Blu-ray does not suffer this.
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You really think the less than 10% of itunes users that have macs is the only people using it.
If you followed the discussion we do not talk about 5.1 or 7.1. We talk about lossless or uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 audio. Most people do not use HDMI via Thunderbolt/FW800, and not every device supports audio via HDMI or has other restrictions. Do not expect that consumers solve so many connection problems.
Very true - the image posted is a static, rather simple graphic.
Detailed, moving pictures are the important differentiators (think of a forest scene with the wind moving the branches and leaves, with the camera panning to follow a character in motion).
As someone else pointed out, 30 GB to 40 GB is typical for a BD (but unfortunately, she used a table that had lots of extra info that obscured the point).
Here are the BD rips sitting on my home server waiting to watch:
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2011-12-28 21:55 25,482,100,736 SHERLOCKHOLMES.iso
2011-12-01 17:40 28,918,611,968 BEGINNERS_DOM.iso
2011-12-23 13:41 32,025,739,264 THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK.iso
2012-01-25 12:44 32,576,503,808 COWBOYS_ALIENS_RENTAL.iso
2012-02-21 09:20 33,511,374,848 TWILIGHT_SAGA_ECLIPSE.iso
2012-03-03 09:02 36,330,405,888 HUGO.iso
2011-12-10 17:28 41,121,546,240 THE_KINGS_SPEECH.iso
2011-12-16 13:46 41,711,370,240 I_AM_NUMBER_FOUR-IA41NNE1.iso
2012-01-05 17:29 42,216,718,336 JANE_EYRE_DOM.iso
2012-01-01 12:22 42,602,070,016 BLACK_SWAN.iso
2011-12-10 15:51 43,903,811,584 GREEN_HORNET.iso
2011-12-06 09:03 44,079,579,136 LOVE_ACTUALLY.iso
2012-02-15 14:23 45,326,598,144 TWILIGHT-NEW_MOON.iso
2012-02-19 12:25 46,692,040,704 GREEN_LANTERN_BD01.iso
2012-01-20 14:37 47,687,991,296 TOY_STORY_3_D1.iso
2012-02-15 13:18 47,899,017,216 TWILIGHT.iso
2012-02-24 11:24 48,016,916,480 MONEYBALL.isoThese figures are bit-for-bit copies of the disc, including extras and multiple sound tracks. For Twilight and Moneyball, though, the main M2TS files are over 32 GB.
The optical standard does not have sufficient bandwidth for better audio - Apple would have have to create an incompatible output.
The standard for higher bandwidth audio is HDMI - the same signal that you'd send to your AV crossbar receiver.
People who haven't heard lossless BD sound on a good surround sound system don't understand this. The lossless sound also has incredible dynamic range - many times I've been startled by a sudden crash or bang or boom from a movie (and the cats run for cover as well).
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That certain people use iTunes on non-Mac platforms, does not change the interface problems on the Mac-platform. Or which Mac-interface supports lossless or uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 audio?
This is one valid reason that Bluray are not going to go anywhere soon. Some hardcore fanboys would vote me down because they really believe content with any rounded physical media called disc, is dead .. 
just because Steve told us so, if Bluray were pioneered by Apple, they would surely change their tune. What an utter frivolity.
Sure, iTunes 1080p download (and all that illegal MKVs to be fair) reduce the video size signficantly while reducing the quality at minimum size. A 8:1 compression ratio maybe reduce quality around 20%. But that's not just the point. Just because Macbook Air and ultrabooks doesn't carry optical storage doesn't mean they're dead like floppy. Floppy didn't bring any advantage in thumbdrive triumph, Bluray does, even in terrabytes era like this.
iTunes HD downloads are ridiculously expensive, you can get the full blown Bluray version for the same price, or even cheaper from Amazon. So convince me why would I pick digital download over physical media for the same price?
I love movies collection, physical movies. I don't mind the space taken by lots and lots collection of BD or even DVDs, those are collector items, so it is SUPPOSED to take space in your home. I love a nice printed media, enjoyable postcards because it feels I OWN the movie rather than pale m4v files.
I could always sell my BDs whenever I want to free up space. Can I do that with iTunes downloads? Might as well give a copy to your friend as much as you want just like MP3s, but then it would be illegal while selling my BDs is not.
I could always simply exchange my BD collection with my friend, I borrow his, he borrow mine, and all will be returned next week. Nice and simple, no need pay for 2 days iTunes rent.
Noticeable or not, BD quality are still better than any encoded/compressed videos, plain and simple. Granted, some BD titles had suck AQ/PQ, but so would the ripped/iTunes version if that's the case. So actually you always ensure yourself to get the best thing you can with BD. Plain and simple. Don't watch BD on 11" MBA or even 13" MBP. You need something like 50"+ display to appreciate the difference.
Even if the new iPad had the ability to playback BD, you can even appreciate BD quality even more, remember it has more than 1080p, so any fullHD videos would be scaled up. iTunes 1080p will even noticeably looks crappier than the original BD master. All compression artifacts would exposed even more on super high resolution display.
just because Steve told us so, if Bluray were pioneered by Apple, they would surely change their tune. What an utter frivolity.Sure, iTunes 1080p download (and all that illegal MKVs to be fair) reduce the video size signficantly while reducing the quality at minimum size. A 8:1 compression ratio maybe reduce quality around 20%. But that's not just the point. Just because Macbook Air and ultrabooks doesn't carry optical storage doesn't mean they're dead like floppy. Floppy didn't bring any advantage in thumbdrive triumph, Bluray does, even in terrabytes era like this.
iTunes HD downloads are ridiculously expensive, you can get the full blown Bluray version for the same price, or even cheaper from Amazon. So convince me why would I pick digital download over physical media for the same price?
I love movies collection, physical movies. I don't mind the space taken by lots and lots collection of BD or even DVDs, those are collector items, so it is SUPPOSED to take space in your home. I love a nice printed media, enjoyable postcards because it feels I OWN the movie rather than pale m4v files.
I could always sell my BDs whenever I want to free up space. Can I do that with iTunes downloads? Might as well give a copy to your friend as much as you want just like MP3s, but then it would be illegal while selling my BDs is not.
I could always simply exchange my BD collection with my friend, I borrow his, he borrow mine, and all will be returned next week. Nice and simple, no need pay for 2 days iTunes rent.
Noticeable or not, BD quality are still better than any encoded/compressed videos, plain and simple. Granted, some BD titles had suck AQ/PQ, but so would the ripped/iTunes version if that's the case. So actually you always ensure yourself to get the best thing you can with BD. Plain and simple. Don't watch BD on 11" MBA or even 13" MBP. You need something like 50"+ display to appreciate the difference.
Even if the new iPad had the ability to playback BD, you can even appreciate BD quality even more, remember it has more than 1080p, so any fullHD videos would be scaled up. iTunes 1080p will even noticeably looks crappier than the original BD master. All compression artifacts would exposed even more on super high resolution display.
Yeah, but your equipment must support HDMI v1.3, which allows lossless or uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 audio.
You'd have a harder time finding stuff that DOESN'T support HDMI 1.3, so that's not really a valid argument.
Yeah! They could also save on the bitrate if they got rid of the colour too!
Your supposition is completely incorrect. There's no skip-framing happening in the encoding here.
I've watched may fair share of both, and I'd be willing to wager that in most situations, at the average users distance, they'd never be able to tell the difference between BR and these iTunes files. If anything, these stills are AMPLIFYING any problems, not suppressing them.
As someone else mentioned above, the BR spec is over 5 years old. A better compression can do more with less- so even though BRs bitrate is in the 45Mbps range, a lot of that could just be wasted using an old, inefficient codec.
Once video quality crosses over to the "good enough" level then all codec and compressions discussions are pointless. After the quality is "good enough" then it's all about easy of use, getting the content you want everywhere and all the time. Just look at the adoption rates of YouTube vs BluRay.