iTunes 4.1.1 for Windows

[MorganX]

Originally posted by Macmaniac
Its good to see that Apple has been fixing these bugs fast At least its way better then M$ when it takes months to fix anything, and by that time a virus has already expolited the flaw, and only then is a patch realesed.

Patching an Operating System is a much more complex task than patching a single-task application. It's just like making medicine. We can fix just about anything, the problem is limiting side effects.

Keep in mind, and operating system and hardware configured to meet C2 security requirements can't do jack s@*#t.

There will always be bugs as long as humans are writing code, and there will always be security vulnerabilities as long as software continues to do more "stuff" AND as long as some of the best programmers, don't write software, they spend they're time hacking it and writing virus'. That is a good and a bad thing, IMO.

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by NoVi
I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that!

It's easy to reproduce..just find 2 tracks with the same artist name.
Now try to change one of the artist names from lower case to capital (or vice versa)

I just type a space first, then what I want to type, then delete the space. A kludge but it works.

 

[NoVi]

Yeah, especially considering it's "the best app ever written for windows" (c) Steve Jobs

Another thing I don't understand. After first installing WiTunes and dragging my mp3 lib to iTunes, I noticed it created a folder for every artist and put corresponding mp3's in the folder.

I wasn't too happy with it, but anyway..

Now if I drag mp3s from other HD locations into iTunes it doesn't seem to make folders for those artists. Is this 'normal' behaviour?

 

[a_kim]

Re: Re: Re: Fixes crash on launch for me.

Originally posted by daveL
Another poster mentioned that the "Sound Enhancement" option on the Windows version of iTunes was degrading the sound quality. Have you tried turning it off? On my wife's XP machine, iTunes installed with "Sound Enhancement" at 50%.

It sounds slightly better with sound enhancement off, but still not as good as it should. I know because for a while it actually was sounding as good as it should. During this time, turning on sound enhancement didn't degrade the vocals. But as I wrote earlier, on the next restart the good sound was lost for whatever reason, and no amount of fiddling/restarting has brought it back.

I'll try out 4.1.1 when I get back to work though. Maybe it's been fixed... or maybe a new install will make the problem go away.

 

[Blaaze]

i'm glad apple is being quick about releasing patches. you don't want people getting the wrong impression of iTunes.

 

[greenstork]

Originally posted by NoVi
Yeah, especially considering it's "the best app ever written for windows" (c) Steve Jobs

Another thing I don't understand. After first installing WiTunes and dragging my mp3 lib to iTunes, I noticed it created a folder for every artist and put corresponding mp3's in the folder.

I wasn't too happy with it, but anyway..

Now if I drag mp3s from other HD locations into iTunes it doesn't seem to make folders for those artists. Is this 'normal' behaviour?

Maybe if you read the instructions first you wouldn't have had that problem. You can add music to your library without changing it's location by simply unchecking "copy to my music folder".

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by NoVi
Yeah, especially considering it's "the best app ever written for windows" (c) Steve Jobs

There will be a book written one day about Steve Jobisms, and this will be one. But to be honest, this is as close as he's come. It might just be the best multimedia app ever written if:

It supported Cd-Text (understand the Mac version doesn't so it was the right thing to do, but both should be upgraded quickly)

It supported DirectX

It supported more, selectable, visualizations

It also cataloged and played back mpg, mov, and windows media (goodbye WMP)

It followed defacto interface standards for control buttons

As it stands it's one of the best apps ever written for Windows.

 

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by MorganX
There will be a book written one day about Steve Jobisms, and this will be one. But to be honest, this is as close as he's come. It might just be the best multimedia app ever written if:

It supported Cd-Text (understand the Mac version doesn't so it was the right thing to do, but both should be upgraded quickly)

YES! Absolutely!

Despite the innate joys that come from prolonged iTunes usage, I'd really kinda like my home CD player being able to display the CD/Artist/Track names like it does for the CD's I burned TWO YEARS AGO in Nero!

Still, I'd never dream of going back to managing my music with WinAmp and burning with Nero ... not if you paid me ... On the other hand, with WinTunes, I might end up moving my collection back over to Windows and still burning with Nero ... Hmmmm ....

 

[tizza]

Originally posted by MorganX
There will be a book written one day about Steve Jobisms, and this will be one. But to be honest, this is as close as he's come. It might just be the best multimedia app ever written if:

It supported Cd-Text (understand the Mac version doesn't so it was the right thing to do, but both should be upgraded quickly)

I guess Steve's vision is for all of us to be using our iPods connected to our stereo or better still a rendezevous stereo such as the Phillips one with iSync, rather than burning to CD's.

But yeah, until I go out and buy my first iPod SOON, (the wife is making me save for it ), I'll be sticking to burning CD's for the car from iTunes!

 

[Analog Kid]

Re: Re: iTunes 4.1.1 for Windows

Originally posted by Macco
NOOOOOOO!!! Windows users have a higher version number than we do! Expect to see this in Software Update tomorrow:

New in iTunes 4.1.2 for Mac OS X:
- loads .01 of a second faster than 4.1
- fixes that thingie with the songs when they do that thing...
- displays 4.1.2 while loading
- minimizes to the taskbar
- wait, Mac OS X doesn't have a taskbar...
- never mind
- yeah
- whatever

I think you were kidding, but I was thinking it might be worth an update just to increment the version number on Macs. Not for status sake, but to prevent confusion later.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by MorganX
In addition, the problem was with a previous version of Windows not truly intended for consumer use (Windows 2k).

I don't think you can justify a product not working since an OS wasn't "meant for consumer use". It wasn't marketed for home users, but we're all consumers, aren't we? Its not like people are installing it on Windows 2000 server... actually Windows XP Pro wouldn't be meant for consumer use either then...

 

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by MorganX
Patching an Operating System is a much more complex task than patching a single-task application. It's just like making medicine. We can fix just about anything, the problem is limiting side effects.

Keep in mind, and operating system and hardware configured to meet C2 security requirements can't do jack s@*#t.

There will always be bugs as long as humans are writing code, and there will always be security vulnerabilities as long as software continues to do more "stuff" AND as long as some of the best programmers, don't write software, they spend they're time hacking it and writing virus'. That is a good and a bad thing, IMO.

The bugs get some help when you're a monopoly with a captive audience and have little reason to actually improve anything because, I mean, where can people really go? Your market share can't grow, so any effort spent developing cuts into your profits directly.

And then helped further when you make your tech support a profit center and start charging people for calling you with problems.

Then there's that whole "world domination is higher priority than quality" angle to things...

It's not an OS vs app question. MS can't fix their apps either. Of all the apps (Apple, MS, shareware, other) that I run, it's the MS apps that crash more often than any other. I tracked it for a while...

Forgetting Microsoft for a second, I'm really disappointed that Apple released a windows app that brought down Win2k. No, I don't think that's a hard thing to do, but when you're trying to really make a positive impression and statement about software quality, you don't lock up the hardware. It's not like they didn't have time to test this...

Fast response is good, but they shouldn't have had to respond to anything...

 

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
I don't think you can justify a product not working since an OS wasn't "meant for consumer use". It wasn't marketed for home users, but we're all consumers, aren't we? Its not like people are installing it on Windows 2000 server... actually Windows XP Pro wouldn't be meant for consumer use either then...

Exactly. If they didn't intend for iTunes to run on Win2k, they should have said XP only. It doesn't work on Win98, and Win98 isn't listed as supported...

 

[Jeff Harrell]

Originally posted by MorganX
It supported Cd-Text (understand the Mac version doesn't so it was the right thing to do, but both should be upgraded quickly)

What's Cd-Text? (Said the guy with over a thousand CD's in his collection.)

It supported DirectX

What's DirectX? Seriously, I've heard the term but I never knew what it was. Isn't it like OpenGL, only awful?

It supported more, selectable, visualizations

I've been using the heck out of iTunes since before it was iTunes--I actually had a license for SoundJam MP--and I just discovered this "visualizer" thing last week. A more useless item I cannot bring myself to imagine.

It also cataloged and played back mpg, mov, and windows media (goodbye WMP)

What part of iTunes was unclear?

It followed defacto interface standards for control buttons

Your point is well taken, but I think there's also a lot to be said for making a tried-and-true interface, arguably one of the best application user interfaces around period, available on a platform whose native UI guidelines and conventions do not exactly lend themselves to stunning works of art, if you know what I mean.

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
I don't think you can justify a product not working since an OS wasn't "meant for consumer use". It wasn't marketed for home users, but we're all consumers, aren't we? Its not like people are installing it on Windows 2000 server... actually Windows XP Pro wouldn't be meant for consumer use either then...

In the case of clearly consumer software I think you can. There was no Home version of Windows 2000. It's not just Apple, many games were not "made" for Windows 2000. I accept that Windows 2000 is a workstation OS an not initially focusing on it is acceptable. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have a problem with Apple not patching it, if they had let everyone know it was not compatible. I think Microsoft has a few consumer oriented titles that won't work with Windows 2000. Their Home Networking software doesn't even work with Windows 2000 (you cannot use Win2k to manage their "home" networking devices) and will not be patched.

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by Jeff Harrell
What's Cd-Text? (Said the guy with over a thousand CD's in his collection.)

What's DirectX? Seriously, I've heard the term but I never knew what it was. Isn't it like OpenGL, only awful?

I've been using the heck out of iTunes since before it was iTunes--I actually had a license for SoundJam MP--and I just discovered this "visualizer" thing last week. A more useless item I cannot bring myself to imagine.

What part of iTunes was unclear?

CD-text allows you to write song title/artist/album to Audio Cds which can be read by most Car and home audio DVD/CD players so that when you play a burned CD you see the title and artist on the LED/LCD display and not Track 1, Unknown Album. All major PC burning apps have supported it for some time.

DirectX - Much more capable, developed hand-in-hand with current and future GPUs, and much more than a 3D api.

If you don't use visualizations, it's a non-issue.

The part where Steve Jobs said iTunes was the best Windows app ever To be the best Windows app ever it would have to do a litte more than manage songs and burn CDs, without CD-text at that.

 

[JEFBEAR]

The update is easy for the windows iTunes.
Go to:
Help/check for iTunes updates
Mine updated in no time...

Easy.

How... Apple

 

[nuckinfutz]

Originally posted by JEFBEAR
The update is easy for the windows iTunes.
Go to:
Help/check for iTunes updates
Mine updated in no time...

Easy.

How... Apple

Glad yours is working. My iTunes is acting asstastic

 

[Xenex]

Originally posted by MorganX
It supported more, selectable, visualizations

Please feel free to write more.

 

[legion]

Originally posted by JEFBEAR
The update is easy for the windows iTunes.
Go to:
Help/check for iTunes updates
Mine updated in no time...

Easy.

How... Apple

Really? Yours updated? I just tried again and iTunes on XP Pro tells me I'm up-to-date at 4.1.0.52.

 

[solvs]

I tried the update option on my Win2000 P(iece-of)C(rap), and got nothin'. So I d/l'ed it manually, reinstalled, restarted... working great. Kept all my preferences. Little faster it seems. Works better than ever.

Of course, I was one of the lucky ones apparently. I never was having a problem with it. Using it since day one. Little slow at first, but it's been rock solid. Like I'm going to run XP (suffer through that at work). 2000 isn't great, but it's better than 98 or ME. Kinda (it's no OS X).

Best Windows app ever? Maybe not, but worth the price. WAY better than WMP 9. After that POS program thrashed my last system I still run 6.4 with the new codecs. Wish QT supported Real and WM files. And was just a little faster starting up.

Sometimes I wonder if it's more that I love Apple, or just that I hate M$.

 

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by NoVi
Another thing I don't understand. After first installing WiTunes and dragging my mp3 lib to iTunes, I noticed it created a folder for every artist and put corresponding mp3's in the folder.

I wasn't too happy with it, but anyway..

Now if I drag mp3s from other HD locations into iTunes it doesn't seem to make folders for those artists. Is this 'normal' behaviour?

Yes. It is. iTunes only organizes files that are in the designated iTunes Music folder (set in the advanced tab of the preference pane). When you drag files from other locations they are added to the library list but are not moved. The downside to this is you cannot delete the track when you clear the entry from the library. You have to manually drag the file to the trash after removing it from iTunes' list.

I have no problem with the auto-arranging feature except I can't define how the individual files are named. I want the artist on there too!

 

[F/reW/re]

Where's iTunes?

When i launch iTunes nothing happens. In the Task Manager it shows up in prosesses using 23MB RAM, but in the applications view there's no sign of it.

This happens 80% of the times i launch iTunes. Crappy app!

And now I have to download 20MB again to install get the new version . .

 

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by MorganX
The part where Steve Jobs said iTunes was the best Windows app ever To be the best Windows app ever it would have to do a litte more than manage songs and burn CDs, without CD-text at that.

Oh god, just please don't advocate iTunes Office...

Personally, what i like about iTunes is that it does one thing and does it exceedingly well. Then again, I've never been one for "convergence". It's nice to have everything in one place, but there's too many compromises involved.

I'm with you on the CD-text-- I'm only vaguely aware of it's existence but it fits the "one thing well" requirement in my mind.

My big question is why on earth would you need DirectX support, basically a conduit to the video hardware, in an audio jukebox?!

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by Xenex
Please feel free to write more.

The best app ever written for windows doesn't require plug-ins for basic functionality. I've been here long enough to know better than leave a semantical loophole.

Should have been: included more on par with competing windows applications in the class. ::sigh::

So how many selectable, customizable visualizations does iTunes support without an add-on again?